Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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it has everything to do in how we use the word faith
Yes, he is not the savior of them who believe not. (no faith)
He is the Savior of all those who believe in him as he faithfully works in them to both will and perform his good pleasure .
This is why we work and struggle to defend his faith that works in us. He gives us His armor to make it possible.
He hides his face as knowledge from them who believe not .The walk by sight after the natural course of this world. "Out of sight out of mind".
Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
Not little faith none, zero.
The same generation of evil that seeks after sign as lying wonder before they will exercise faith (the unseen will) .The same generation of Adam. Natural unconverted mankind. No sign to wonder after were given .We walk by faith as it is written.
They make Jesus into a circus seal (side show). Do a miracle that we can see with our eyes and the we will believe. seeing is believing to the froward generation
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
Yes, he is not the savior of them who believe not. (no faith)
He is the Savior of all those who believe in him as he faithfully works in them to both will and perform his good pleasure .
This is why we work and struggle to defend his faith that works in us. He gives us His armor to make it possible.
He hides his face as knowledge from them who believe not .The walk by sight after the natural course of this world. "Out of sight out of mind".
Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
Not little faith none, zero.
The same generation of evil that seeks after sign as lying wonder before they will exercise faith (the unseen will) .The same generation of Adam. Natural unconverted mankind. No sign to wonder after were given .We walk by faith as it is written.
They make Jesus into a circus seal (side show). Do a miracle that we can see with our eyes and the we will believe. seeing is believing to the froward generation
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
In every case God must do the first work of His faith as a labor of His love.
Genesis 2: 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
How does he offer it .If he does not do the first work of presenting the gospel .giving us ears to hear and therefore understanding. So that then we can seek after him who works in us . . who has no form?
Why are those in Hebrew 6 offered and then turn around fall away from it as it is written and say one demonstration was not enough . Crucify him over and over every time one falls.
Genesis 2: 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
How does he offer it .If he does not do the first work of presenting the gospel .giving us ears to hear and therefore understanding. So that then we can seek after him who works in us . . who has no form?
Why are those in Hebrew 6 offered and then turn around fall away from it as it is written and say one demonstration was not enough . Crucify him over and over every time one falls.
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no argument here. It is deep. And does not happen overnight
But no one can be saved or enter the kingdom of god unless they repent because until then you have no faith. No faith no justification no justification your still dead in sin
That’s where licentiousness and other works based gospels are at fault. They claim they believe but their belief is void of Repentance. It is faithless (faith is in self not god) and thus is unable to save
But no one can be saved or enter the kingdom of god unless they repent because until then you have no faith. No faith no justification no justification your still dead in sin
That’s where licentiousness and other works based gospels are at fault. They claim they believe but their belief is void of Repentance. It is faithless (faith is in self not god) and thus is unable to save
My Bible tells me otherwise, it doesn't describe salvation in the order you claim above. My Bible tells me that salvation happens when God writes your name in the book of life, and that's before He laid the foundations of the the earth.
We can't just sweep those scriptures under the rug and pretend God doesn't mean what He says.
We can't just sweep those scriptures under the rug and pretend God doesn't mean what He says.
It all comes down to how we choose to arrange the scriptures, God choose to have the written in such a way that they would confuse the wise of the world. We don't find many smart believers, all of the worlds top minds are atheists. Bible believers are seen as fools by the wise people of the world.
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i was not able to correct my last post due to site going down so will try again.
Sorry @Grandpa
When you were a child and asked him to do Something for you You did not make him do Anything he did it because he loved you.
Same thing. For God so loved the world (Kosmos) he gave his only son that whoever in that world believes in him they will Never perish but have eternal life
It’s the gift of god being offered. He is not coerced or force to bow to our will. Again I have never heard anything like that
yes all commands a child of god is given but not sure what these have to do with receiving gods gift of eternal life
Sorry @Grandpa
When you were a child and asked him to do Something for you You did not make him do Anything he did it because he loved you.
Same thing. For God so loved the world (Kosmos) he gave his only son that whoever in that world believes in him they will Never perish but have eternal life
It’s the gift of god being offered. He is not coerced or force to bow to our will. Again I have never heard anything like that
yes all commands a child of god is given but not sure what these have to do with receiving gods gift of eternal life
We believe in an almighty God who saves everyone He purposed to save, you believe He failed big time. So you don't believe that God is almighty, because He failed to save the majority of those He came to save.
So we have two different views of God, you believe He tried to sell salvation to everyone but ended up embarrassed because most didn't buy His sales pitch. It makes God look like a loser, who failed to sell eternal paradise for free and the majority of those He begged laughed Him to scorn and choose the spend eternity screaming in the lake of fire.
I can't accept a God who fails in anything, let alone selling eternal paradise for free. So I'll just stick with the God who has a 100% success rate in everything He does. I refuse to believe in a god who fails to achieve his goals.
So we have two different views of God, you believe He tried to sell salvation to everyone but ended up embarrassed because most didn't buy His sales pitch. It makes God look like a loser, who failed to sell eternal paradise for free and the majority of those He begged laughed Him to scorn and choose the spend eternity screaming in the lake of fire.
I can't accept a God who fails in anything, let alone selling eternal paradise for free. So I'll just stick with the God who has a 100% success rate in everything He does. I refuse to believe in a god who fails to achieve his goals.
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