Why do Catholics receive so much hate???

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But the RCC doesn't demand that I pray to Mary.


If you sin (and let us be serious here), then as a Roman Catholic, it is required (for salvation, by the Sacrament) that you go to a priest (or Superior, Bishop, Cardinal, Pope) and confess your sins audibly (Auricular Confession), and the penances prescribed always include the "Hail Mary", or Rosary or Novena to her, Pieta booklet, &c, in some form or another.

It is very much prescribed. It is in Papal Encyclicals (which I have read), etc:

https://www.papalencyclicals.net/
 

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The priest doesn't forgive our sins, God does.
Dignities and Duties of the Priest by Liguori: https://ia801904.us.archive.org/13/items/roman-catholicism-alphonsus-de-liguori-dignities-and-duties-of-the-priest/Roman Catholicism - Alphonsus De Liguori - Dignities And Duties Of The Priest.pdf

“With regard to the mystic body of Christ, that is, all the faithful, the priest has the power of the keys, or the power of delivering sinners from Hell, of making them worthy of Paradise, and of changing them from the slaves of Satan into the children of God. And God Himself is obliged to abide by the judgment of His priests, and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse or give absolution, provided the penitent is capable of it. :“Such is,” says St. Maximus of Turin, “this judiciary power ascribed to Peter that its decision carries with it the decision of God.” The sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it, writes St. Peter Damian. Hence, St John Chrysostom thus concludes: The sovereign Master of the universe only follows the servant by confirming in Heaven all that the latter decides upon earth.” ...” - [St. Alphonsus Liguori C.SS.R. Doctor of the Church; “Dignities and Duties of the Priest”, Vol. 12, pp. 27; “Nihil Obstat. Arthur J. Scanlan, S.T.D., Censor Librorum - Imprimatur. + Patritius Cardinalis Hayes, Archiepiscopus Neo-Eboracensis - Die 24 Mar., 1927 - APPROBATION. - By virtue of the authority granted me by the Most Rev. Patrick Murray, Superior General of the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer, I hereby sanction the publication of the work entitled "DIGNITY AND DUTIES OF THE PRIEST," which is Volume XII of the complete edition in English of the works of St. Alphonsus de Liguori.JAMES BARRON, C.SS.R., Provincial”

Furthermore:

"The pope's universal coercive jurisdiction... ... Moreover, the powers conferred in these regards are plenary. ... nothing is withheld. ... Further, Peter's authority is subordinated to no earthly superior. The sentences which he gives are to be forthwith ratified in heaven. They do not need the antecedent approval of any other tribunal. ... This judicial authority will even include the power to pardon sin. ... supreme power in this kingdom carries with it a supreme magisterium — authority to declare that doctrine and to prescribe a rule of faith obligatory on all. ... as subject to the authority of him who should be Christ's vicegerent on earth. .." [Online Catholic Encyclopedia, The Pope] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Pope
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How many doctrines and dogmas are there... Your saying if i question one of them im not Catholic...
"...Pertinacious adhesion to a doctrine contradictory to a point of faith clearly defined by the Church is heresy pure and simple, heresy in the first degree. …" [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia, New Advent Online; Heresy]

[CCC] " … 2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."11 ..." [Roman Catholic Catechism, Vatican.va; PART THREE: LIFE IN CHRIST; SECTION TWO THE TEN COMMANDMENTS; CHAPTER ONE YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; Article 1 THE FIRST COMMANDMENT; I. "You Shall Worship the Lord Your God and Him Only Shall You Serve"; Ending Notation 11, refers to Canon 751 of Roman Catholic Canon Law]

" … Can. 1364 §1. Without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 194, §1, n. 2, an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication; in addition, a cleric can be punished with the penalties mentioned in ⇒ can. 1336, §1, nn. 1, 2, and 3. …" [Roman Catholic Canon Law, Vatican.va; BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA; PART II. PENALTIES FOR INDIVIDUAL DELICTS; TITLE I. DELICTS AGAINST RELIGION AND THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH (Cann. 1364 - 1369)]

"latae sententiae" (automatic, instant without having to appeal to any other authority)
 

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This is why I'm truly torn. On the one hand I firmly believe that heresy is bad and must be dealt with. On the other hand, I know that if everyone just splits off and forms their own church because they disagree with any given thing, that would be just as bad. So I don't know. "United in God's Truth" sounds like we'll have a million churches of 1 person each. On the other hand, it's pretty hard to unite under a Pope Francis who runs around talking about how Jesus isn't the only way to God and covers up pedophilia.

One thing I do know, is that as regular Christian lay people, we ought to be loving and patient with each other - recognizing that we don't all have to have the exact same views to be on the same team. Let's save the warfare for the actual enemy instead of fighting with each other all the time. (yeah, I'm speaking to myself as much as to anyone else on that. I'm guilty as anyone else.)
Yes this goes to the book of Proverbs where we should be able to communicate with level heads rather than having Tissy-fits.
The basic difference with Rome and the Reformation was one between Scripture as the ultimate authority (Sola Scriptura) on the one hand and Papal authority with it's Councils and Traditions on the other hand.
Since we will be judged by what God's Word says, I prefer to go with the Reformers view of Sola Scriptura and let the chips fall where they may.
 

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Has the RCC denounced Jesus as our saviour without my knowledge???
Yes. It's in their doctrine of the 'flesh' of Jesus while on earth, which they teach is unfallen.

1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.​
2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.​
Jud_1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.​

The flesh which Jesus had was fallen sinful flesh, not unfallen.

Rom_8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:​

It is by that doctrine that Roman Catholicism denies Jesus as Saviour, along with a few others, such as the Marian Co-Redemptrix, Co-Mediatrix, &c.
 

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It was Catholics that instituted slavery in America by the Spanish
capturing Native Americans and putting them to work on their ranchos, and
also in their missions sweating over hot retorts rendering cattle to make tallow
for candles.
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No. It is 'faults' to one another, not 'sins'. παραπτωματα (James 5:16) is not αμαρτιας (1 John 1:9).
The Septuagint has αμαρτιας,; the TR has παραπτωματα. We aren't going to resolve this.
 

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they teach salvation by communion , and praying for dead loves one to go to heaven.
I know what they teach. And I know all the pagan rituals are not pleasing to God. That isn't my point.
They affirm Jesus as God. You can't get away from that or pretend it isn't true. So that is our common ground. The starting point to any reconciliation. I'm not suggesting reconciliation to rituals and dogma for a moment. But at some point Protestants have to lay down their arms. That point is Jesus Christ.

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation,
he came down from heaven:He was conceived by the
power of the Holy Spirit
and born of the Virgin Mary.
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered died and was buried.
On the third day he rose again.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures
 

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It was Catholics that instituted slavery in America by the Spanish
capturing Native Americans and putting them to work on their ranchos, and
also in their missions sweating over hot retorts rendering cattle to make tallow
for candles.
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"Catholics" And you hold Catholics responsible for that NOW? You wish to ACCUSE NOW?

How is that Ku Klux KLan thing going? Burning crosses and all the anti-Catholic violence that has ever been.
Would you like all Protestants to be accused for that. Now?
 
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We do all know of what the leadership of the church is guilty today? And that is what bothering most people in my region I think.
If your church had sex scandals and silenced the victims up, would you still go there?
 
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Most of the established Church denominations are suffering from corruption of some form.
I've wrestled with it. Do we all stop going in protest? Or will that just make it worse because the believers are gone and only administration & leadership remain? We all have to decide for ourselves don't we?
I think it’s also a moral confrontation. When you as follower of Christ go to a church, not to speak is to speak; not to act is to act.

If catholics receive hate, it might often be a reply and simply truth hurting them. If I say catholic churches don’t worship Christ anymore but Lucifer that is not to hurt them but to wake them up.
 

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They affirm Jesus as God. You can't get away from that or pretend it isn't true.
While this is true, the rest of Catholic dogma and beliefs dilutes this truth to the point where Jesus is replaced by Mary (for all intents and purposes), and the sacraments override simple faith in Christ, as God who became Man to die for our sins and rise again for our justification.

Indeed, the doctrine of justification by grace through faith was distorted and perverted by the Council of Trent.

CANON XXX. - If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema.

What this is saying is that the finished work of Christ was not sufficient to take away the penalty for our sins, and that even those who have been justified by grace through faith will face punishment in this life, as well as in Purgatory. And if you do not believe this you are under a curse.
 
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[QUOTE="PC123, post: 4343431, member: 298599"]True. I think some people have the tendency to try and have an answer for everything.
I love the humility that comes with just saying "God, i don't know, only you do" when it comes to much of theology...


Ah that was so well written, the chicken and the egg, thats gold. Its a pointless conversation isn't it. I wish i could put it as eloquently as u just did... LoL

Both of us are baptized and both of us believe in Christ so we're both born again which ever way u look at it... And no one wants to approach God with bad d

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Thank you for your kind remarks. I am new here so I hope you will see this post. In any case, I think I am growing in my faith. Once I realize that NO ONE has all the answers, the arguments stop. My focus is just to try to grow closer to God/to Jesus. Knowing that I can never even come close to being like Jesus ... knowing that it will be a lifelong journey ... keeps me going.
Whatever you believe, believe that God loves you. He is not "out to get you" if you get some Doctrine wrong.


Jesus said it best..

Matthew 37-40
37: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a]
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”


And that is what I am trying to focus on. I fail. I get up. I fail, BUT I get up again.

Blessings to you all.
Ann Marie
 

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I gave you some good solid advise and I didn't say for you to learn anything about other beliefs or doctrines. I told you to study the Word of God and strictly adhere to what the Word of God says and to stay away from the Catholic Bible. In a nondenominational church there are many who have different doctrinal beliefs about one thing or another but the basic's are always the same. Keep your eyes on Christ and you will do well and find acceptance. A nondenominational church is not a name brand church. It is simply a church where believers gather and worship Christ and they have many different names but they are not a part of any organized denomination like the Baptist or Catholic church. They are not ruled or dominated by a leadership like the Catholic church and the doctrinal beliefs are basically strictly from the Word of God. In the end there will not be a Catholic church or any other denomination. There will be only the body of Christ, the government will be a Theocracy and Christ will be the ultimate authority at the head of the government.
Oh I agree that the RCC doesn't teach. But it doesn't change the fact that it is written in the Catholic Encyclopedia and LOL I can't believe you don't know who wrote the Catholic Encyclopedia LOL. Why do you think it is called the Catholic Encyclopedia??
The Catholic Encyclopedia is the most comprehensive resource on Catholic teaching, history, and information ever gathered in all of human history. This easy-to-search online version was originally printed between 1907 and 1912 in fifteen hard copy volumes.
The Latin phrase extra Ecclesiam nulla salus means "outside the Church there is no salvation".[1][2] The 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church explained this as "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is His Body."
We need to remember the the word church when ever it is used by the Catholics it is referring to the Catholic church Only and no other denomination.
 

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Here are a few statements from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Paragraph 3. THE CHURCH IS ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, AND APOSTOLIC

811 "This is the sole Church of Christ, which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic."256 These four characteristics, inseparably linked with each other,257 indicate essential features of the Church and her mission. the Church does not possess them of herself; it is Christ who, through the Holy Spirit, makes his Church one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, and it is he who calls her to realize each of these qualities.

816 "The sole Church of Christ [is that] which our Savior, after his Resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care, commissioning him and the other apostles to extend and rule it.... This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in (subsistit in) in) the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him."267

The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God."268
Please notice the word "alone" in the above quote from the book of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Even though the RCC doesn't out rightly talk about their doctrinal beliefs regarding who can receive salvation it is clear from the teachings of the book of Catechism of the Catholic Church that they do teach children the doctrinal beliefs of the church which are written in the book of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.


Thats a question I was asking myself a while back. Am I a Catholic? Some people like yourself say no and i understand why. But the RCC doesn't demand that I pray to Mary.
No the Catholic church does not require you to pray to Mary. They manipulate you into praying to Mary and many other saints and most Catholics don't even know they are being manipulated.

How many doctrines and dogmas are there... Your saying if i question one of them im not Catholic... By that logic anyone who questions something in the bible isn't Christian and the best way to learn about something is to ask questions about it... That's why my priest laughed at me why I asked him if I was a Catholic
First of all I am not saying anything about whether or not you are a Catholic and questions about any doctrinal teaching is a healthy way to better understand what the Word of God is teaching. Being a Catholic is nothing more then a brand like being a Protestant or a Lutheran. It is just a name.
 

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Mate, looking for another church, learning about all these other beliefs and doctrines was just too confusing... Why do u recommend that church? Non-denomination sounds like non-Christian... If its not a denomination of Christianity then what exactly is it a denomination of?[/QUOTE]
How many doctrines and dogmas are there... Your saying if i question one of them im not Catholic... By that logic anyone who questions something in the bible isn't Christian and the best way to learn about something is to ask questions about it... That's why my priest laughed at me why I asked him if I was a Catholic.
God never intended for there to be so many different denominations. That is something men have come up with. God has always meant for us to be just one body of believers and never to be seperated by denominations or doctrinal beliefs.
I have read the Apocryphal books and I found a couple of them to be credible. I am talking about how the Catholic bible has been manipulated to fit thier false doctrinal beliefs of the Catholic church. A word changed here or a part of a verse removed there. Who cares what doctrines other denominations have adopted because the only doctrinal beliefs we should stick with are those written in the Word of God and no other.
I have seen demons appear inside of people and get cast out, miracle healings and other such miracles happen in nondenominational churchs and we didn't need an investigation into the miracle before we declared it to be truly from the spirit of God because we knew it in our heart and spirit of Christ we have within.
The NEW King James is written in plain English with no Thee's and thou's. It is easy to read.
 

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So do Catholics share the same Spirit that you do? Yes or No
 

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How is that Ku Klux KLan thing going?
It's origins are in FreeMasonry (Albert Pike), whose roots are directly tied to the Jesuits (double headed eagle and all), such as Pierre-Jean DeSmet (just as the Illuminati (Adam Weishaupt, Jesuit; Voltaire, Jesuit, &c.), Alumbrados with Loyola, of which he was brought into the Inquisition, then run by the Dominicans). It's a counter-reformation thing.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Albert+Pike+and+Jesuit+Pierre+Jean+De+Smet&ia=web


Even H. P. Blavatsky herself, states that the Jesuits are involved in the origins of FreeMasonry and its rites - https://blavatskytheosophy.com/freemasonry-the-theosophical-perspective/

 

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The Septuagint has αμαρτιας,; the TR has παραπτωματα. We aren't going to resolve this.
'Taint no such thing as "the Septuagint". What you are actually referring to is Origen's Hexapla (Catholic).

The so called "Septuagint", really being "septuaginta (plural, with differing translations)" of Origen's Hexapla, Theodotion (6th column), Aquila of Sinope, & Symmachus and really from the sources Vaticanus and Sinaiticus (both of which are not anywhere near 4th C.).

The Septuagint [LXX] as we presently know it, appears first in the writings of Origen [Hexapla] at near the end of the 2nd century AD, and the mention by the so-called "Letter of Aristeas", based on an unfounded and mostly discredited "legend", is seriously problematic.​
"... Most of these fables focus on an infamous “book” 14 called the Letter of Aristeas” 15 (hereafter called the Letter) and the alleged claims of the Letter’s documentation by authors who wrote before the first coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and in the first few centuries following His first sojourn on earth. 16 The only extant Letter is dated from the eleventh century. In addition, there is no pre-Christian Greek translation of the He-brew Old Testament text, which the Letter alleges, that has been found, in-cluding the texts among the Dead Sea Scrolls. ..." - http://www.theoldpathspublications.com/Downloads/Free/The Septuagint ebook.pdf
"... the story of Aristeas appears comparatively rational. Yet it has long been recognized that much of it is unhistorical, in particular the professed date and nationality of the writer. Its claims to authenticity were demolished by Dr. Hody two centuries ago (De bibliorum textibus originalibus, Oxon., 1705) ..." - http://www.bible-researcher.com/isbelxx01.html

De bibliorum textibus originalibus - https://archive.org/stream/bub_gb_Lq6h8A9RvfwC#page/n15/mode/2up

Other sources, identifying the same

http://www.scionofzion.com/septuagint.htm

https://www.scionofzion.com/septuagint2.htm

"... Roman Catholics use the idea that Christ quoted the Septuagint to justly include the Apocrypha in their Bibles. ... Since no Hebrew Old Testament ever included the books of the Apocrypha, the Septuagint is the only source the Catholics have for justifying their canon. Many Reformers and Lutherans wrote at great length refuting the validity of the Septuagint. ..." - http://www.wcbible.org/documents/septuagint.pdf
More:
"... [Page 46] Proponents of the invisible LXX will try to claim that Origen didn't translate the Hebrew into Greek, but only copied the LXX into the second column of his Hexapla. Can this argument be correct? No. If it were, then that would mean that those astute 72 Jewish scholars added the Apocryphal books to their work before they were ever written. (!) Or else, Origen took the liberty to add these spurious writings to God's Holy Word (Rev. 22:18). ...​
... Is there ANY Greek manuscript of the Old Testament written BEFORE the time of Christ? Yes. There is one minute scrap dated at 150 BC, the Ryland's Papyrus, #458. It contains Deuteronomy chapters 23-28. No more. No less. If fact, it may be the existence of this fragment that led Eucebius and Philo to assume that the entire Pentatuech had been translated by some scribe in an effort to interest Gentiles in the history of the Jews. ... [page 46]​
... [Page 47] If there was an Aristeas, he was faced with two insurmountable problems.​
First, how did he ever locate the twelve tribes in order to pick his six representative scholars from each. Having been thoroughly scattered by their many defeats and captivities, the tribal lines of the 12 tribes had long since dissolved into virtual non-existence. It was impossible for anyone to distinctly identify the 12 individual tribes.​
Secondly, if the 12 tribes had been identified, they would not have undertaken such a translation for two compelling reasons.​
(1) Every Jew knew that the official caretaker of Scripture was the tribe of Levi as evidenced in Deuteronomy 17:18, 31:25,26 and Malachi 2:7. Thus, NO Jew of any of the eleven other tribes would dare to join such a forbidden enterprise. ..." - The Answer Book, By Sam Gipp, Page 46-47, selected portions, emphasis [bold] in original.


See also The Mythological Septuagint - https://ia801900.us.archive.org/13/items/peter-s-ruckman-the-mythological-septuagint/Peter S Ruckman - The Mythological Septuagint.pdf


1 Jones, The Septuagint: A Critical Analysis, op. cit., pp. 10–54. The reader should, in all fairness, be apprised of the fact that very nearly all references in the literature which allude to the Septuagint in fact pertain to Origen's 5th column. That is, the real LXX from all citation evidence as to N.T. references – indeed, for all practical purposes – the Septuagint that we actually "see" and "use" is found to actually be only two manuscripts, Vaticanus B and Sinaiticus a. This is especially true of Vaticanus. Although this fact is difficult to ferret out from among the vast amount of literature on the subject, it may be verified by numerous sources. Among them, the reader is directed to page 1259 in The New Bible Dictionary op. cit., (Texts-Versions) where D.W. Gooding admits this when he relates that the LXX of Jer.38:40 (Jer.31:40 in the MT) as shown in figure 214 has been taken from the Codex Sinaiticus. Thomas Hartwell Horne is even more direct in An Introduction to the Critical Study and Knowledge of the Holy Scriptures, 9th ed., Vol. II, (London, Eng.: Spottiswoode and Shaw, 1846), fn. 1. p. 282 and fn. 3 p. 288. It has been established that both were produced from Origen's 5th column. Thus, the Septuagint which we actually utilize in practical outworking, the LXX which is cited almost ninety percent of the time, is actually the LXX that was written more than 250 years after the completion of the New Testament canon – and by a "Catholicized Jehovah's Witness" at that! Moreover, it must be seen that the testimony of these two corrupted manuscripts is almost solely responsible for the errors being foisted upon the Holy Scriptures in both Testaments by modern critics! - Footnote 1, Which Version?, by Floyd Nolen Jones, 20th edition page 129 [PDF] -https://ia601901.us.archive.org/9/items/floyd-nolen-jones-which-version-is-the-bible/Floyd%20Nolen%20Jones%20-%20Which%20Version%20Is%20The%20Bible.pdf






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1mi_RcSLQ8

Finally, the so called LXX is OT stuff, not NT stuff. You are saying that "James" is in septuaginta?
 

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God is black, people.

The world's image said to be Him is nothing but hypocrisy.

Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.