When are we saved ?
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This sounds like you're shouldering WAY more than you need to brother. All we are called to do is to faithfully proclaim His word as truthfully as we can for His glory, but all this worrying about "We must get this right ,to tell others how to be saved. Otherwise we could hinder someone from believing the truth." is ALL on Him. (to be clear I'm speaking ,more about the "Otherwise we could hinder someone from believing the truth" part than the "getting it right" part, but both can apply)
We worry about what comes out of our mouths, and caring about others enough to want to tell them the truth. A desire and truth we can ONLY have once we are born again and God opens our eyes and hearts to these things. God draws them to Himself through us His children, and empowers us to boldly proclaim His word. That right there is the existent of our role, after that it's all on Him to work in them, and this frees us from the weight you were just speaking of.
I do know and understand what you mean, and I am by no means trying to "correct" or "teach" you anything you don't already know I'm sure, it's just that bit of burden to "make sure" they get it right and get saved, just seemed like you are taking a bit more of the burden than you need too, however this only shows your focus. and things you care about most praise God. That is doing what we are called to do in order we might see others come to truth for His glory Amen!!!
We worry about what comes out of our mouths, and caring about others enough to want to tell them the truth. A desire and truth we can ONLY have once we are born again and God opens our eyes and hearts to these things. God draws them to Himself through us His children, and empowers us to boldly proclaim His word. That right there is the existent of our role, after that it's all on Him to work in them, and this frees us from the weight you were just speaking of.
I do know and understand what you mean, and I am by no means trying to "correct" or "teach" you anything you don't already know I'm sure, it's just that bit of burden to "make sure" they get it right and get saved, just seemed like you are taking a bit more of the burden than you need too, however this only shows your focus. and things you care about most praise God. That is doing what we are called to do in order we might see others come to truth for His glory Amen!!!
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Why is this so hard to understand. Even the greatest of Prophets to Paul himself were all working out their salvation with Fear and Love of G-d. Why? Because lets say your 70 years old, you did everything in the book...and all of a sudden you tell your nurse she is fat and that one comment causes her to commit suicide (G-d Forbid), then you have a big sin on your hand and clearly kicked Jesus to the curb even for one moment and Jesus gives many of these parables where 2 people were in a field, 2 people working etc. So no one knows until Judgment day and until then, Fear and Love the L-rd every single moment, for Jesus is returning like a thief in the night! We must always be on guard.
My belief, is that these people in Rom 1 are not unregenerate, but regenerate people, who hold the truth in unrighteousness. The unregenerate has never held the truth in righteousness, or unrighteousness. Those well meaning christian's, who do not understand, nor accept the depravity of mankind, misinterpret Rom 1.
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Salvation is much deeper than this
you can’t obey every law in the book, if you could god would have held you to it and never sent Jesus to suffer as he did.
The pharisees thought they were perfect, That’s why they rejected Christ, if he was here today most churches would reject him also, because he would not fit their belief system
Salvation is much deeper than this
you can’t obey every law in the book, if you could god would have held you to it and never sent Jesus to suffer as he did.
The pharisees thought they were perfect, That’s why they rejected Christ, if he was here today most churches would reject him also, because he would not fit their belief system
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It was in several different ways.
Most of it, before I was a believer, was conviction of sin. I'd feel horrible and rejected.
Some of it, was the voice of silence, I don't really know how to word it. I think this is what is referred in the Bible as "the small still voice". You probably experienced it yourself, most people do they just don't know what it is. Usually it happened when I was in nature and it happened since childhood. I would just have a sense of great peace and feel like one with the mountains and the sky and the trees and sometimes when I played with my toys or drawing as a child or playing with the mud, I'd have a lot of peace and feel like the moment lasts forever.
Some of it was crazy "coincidences". I found about a dozen of lost crosses (jewelry) since I was a very small child (on the street, in the grass, at school, or just about anywhere) before I became a believer. I don't know anyone who had found so many or even close. I believe God arranged it to keep directing my attention to Him.
I had a dream referencing Biblical details back as the unbeliever, when I haven't been exposed to the Bible. (I wrote it down into my diary because it was puzzling as to what it meant - I only learned later when I started reading the Bible as a believer). I testified of this experience in detail later to agnostics, and they admitted, that would've been sufficient for them to be converted if it happened to them. But then I'd tell them, see how God didn't allow me either to know the proof beforehand, He only revealed it after He was unconditionally trusted. We must come to God by faith. I think double slit experiment attests to this scientifically, even. They confirmed in the lab that one as merely an observer, the presence of observing and the act of looking no matter how unbiased one was, affects how the observed particles will behave. I think one looking for God as in trying to observe Him under a microscope, to find empirical proof, will never find God, and that's simply how God arranged the universe.
But when I became a believer, a lot more came (and please forgive me now that I'll hold some back but this forum can get very irreverent and filthy, so that's why).
It's not hard to discern God's voice because it's very different from how our own mind thinks. I regret that there is not more conversation on this topic among us, I googled and asked many questions too until with experience and the Bible and testimonies of some other Christians I came to answers and also guarding myself from counterfeit spiritual experiences. Our own mind chatter isn't God's voice, but while His voice does reach our mind it's coming through the spirit.
His voice comes as spiritual perceptions, for lack of better term. Sometimes it is so strong that you can make the words out, sometimes you will find these words somewhere in the Bible later but not always, but it will be the same Spirit and not contradicting the Bible teaching. When these perceptions are of visual nature people call them visions - this is different than just "imagining things", it's different than "seeing things", it's a spiritual perception and "downloaded" into the spirit - BAM! Some rare people heard God audibly and then it will be as described in the Bible, like thundering or roaring of many waters - God does not change. Sometimes you can't word what God is telling you, but you understand a vastness reaching the depth of your soul ("deep calleth unto deep")... it's as if your mind isn't working when you try to describe it... Sometimes God brings up a verse to your mind and you just find a new depth in it, it's like you ate His Words (like Jeremiah). But one cannot confuse it with your own mind because the thoughts of His mind are so different.
Most of it, before I was a believer, was conviction of sin. I'd feel horrible and rejected.
Some of it, was the voice of silence, I don't really know how to word it. I think this is what is referred in the Bible as "the small still voice". You probably experienced it yourself, most people do they just don't know what it is. Usually it happened when I was in nature and it happened since childhood. I would just have a sense of great peace and feel like one with the mountains and the sky and the trees and sometimes when I played with my toys or drawing as a child or playing with the mud, I'd have a lot of peace and feel like the moment lasts forever.
Some of it was crazy "coincidences". I found about a dozen of lost crosses (jewelry) since I was a very small child (on the street, in the grass, at school, or just about anywhere) before I became a believer. I don't know anyone who had found so many or even close. I believe God arranged it to keep directing my attention to Him.
I had a dream referencing Biblical details back as the unbeliever, when I haven't been exposed to the Bible. (I wrote it down into my diary because it was puzzling as to what it meant - I only learned later when I started reading the Bible as a believer). I testified of this experience in detail later to agnostics, and they admitted, that would've been sufficient for them to be converted if it happened to them. But then I'd tell them, see how God didn't allow me either to know the proof beforehand, He only revealed it after He was unconditionally trusted. We must come to God by faith. I think double slit experiment attests to this scientifically, even. They confirmed in the lab that one as merely an observer, the presence of observing and the act of looking no matter how unbiased one was, affects how the observed particles will behave. I think one looking for God as in trying to observe Him under a microscope, to find empirical proof, will never find God, and that's simply how God arranged the universe.
But when I became a believer, a lot more came (and please forgive me now that I'll hold some back but this forum can get very irreverent and filthy, so that's why).
It's not hard to discern God's voice because it's very different from how our own mind thinks. I regret that there is not more conversation on this topic among us, I googled and asked many questions too until with experience and the Bible and testimonies of some other Christians I came to answers and also guarding myself from counterfeit spiritual experiences. Our own mind chatter isn't God's voice, but while His voice does reach our mind it's coming through the spirit.
His voice comes as spiritual perceptions, for lack of better term. Sometimes it is so strong that you can make the words out, sometimes you will find these words somewhere in the Bible later but not always, but it will be the same Spirit and not contradicting the Bible teaching. When these perceptions are of visual nature people call them visions - this is different than just "imagining things", it's different than "seeing things", it's a spiritual perception and "downloaded" into the spirit - BAM! Some rare people heard God audibly and then it will be as described in the Bible, like thundering or roaring of many waters - God does not change. Sometimes you can't word what God is telling you, but you understand a vastness reaching the depth of your soul ("deep calleth unto deep")... it's as if your mind isn't working when you try to describe it... Sometimes God brings up a verse to your mind and you just find a new depth in it, it's like you ate His Words (like Jeremiah). But one cannot confuse it with your own mind because the thoughts of His mind are so different.