Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

[Magenta]

Your presupposition leaks out everytime you mis quote the verse ? It doesn't say ' to be in Christ ' . Thats what all calvinistic thinkers wish it did say . That's the irony . You keep changing the verse every time you quote it.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence.

 

[throughfaith]

We’re not talking Calvinism. Calvinists disagree with me adamantly on what I say. Arminians do too.

When someone REPEATS what the Bible says, don’t call it Calvinism.

The Bible says God choose US to be in Christ before the foundation of the world. Don’t change the words.

Which parts do calvinist s disagree with you on ?

 

[throughfaith]

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence.

He quoted it as saying "God chose US TO BE IN Christ before the foundation of the world..The words ' to be in ' are not there .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Which parts do calvinist s disagree with you on ?

About 90 % of what he believes

if you would listen to him you would know this

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He quoted it as saying "God chose US TO BE IN Christ before the foundation of the world..The words ' to be in ' are not there .

here what he says,

Not even related to the passage in question. Nothing in Ephesians 1 magically changes "Chose us" INTO "chose our blessings" And nothing in Ephesians 1 changes Chose us before the foundation of the world INTO chose us when we got saved. Except in your mind and in John 14:6's mind. Show me the words that MAGICALLY change "chose us before the foundation of the word" to something else. The word According? Doesn't change a thing. It just means that ONE ACTION IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH ANOTHER. ie, GOD blessing us with every spiritual blessing is IN ACCORDANCE with the fact that HE CHOSE US IN HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

I’ll say it again. The spiritual blessings in Christ are in accordance with the fact that God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.

Very simple if you don’t convolute it with your own opinions.

 

[OIC1965]

On what scriptual basis are you eternally secure ?

This is why I figured you don’t believe in security. And then another post farther down.

 

[OIC1965]

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.


Calvinism misses the point - salvation is either by works or grace. If we used the word choice instead of election (and choice is one of the Greek definitions) we can see what Paul is saying more plainly:

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the choice of grace.

Paul is stating that God chose grace and NOT works for the means of salvation for those who put their faith in him. No faith no grace.

It's really simple. Paul's letters deal with works vs faith otherwise he is willing that many will perish (2 Pet 3:9) states he's not willing.

Calvinism is making people the target of "election/choice" for salvation rather than the means of salvation of the people.

So disagree.

That is a private interpretation.

A description. Not a selection of God

A description of what? Don’t tell me you buy into Leighton Flowers “choice meats” analogy

 

[throughfaith]

This is why I figured you don’t believe in security. And then another post farther down.

I'm asking you ,about your understanding of eternal security. On what basis do you believe you are eternally secure ?

 

[Magenta]

I'm asking you ,about your understanding of eternal security. On what basis do you believe you are eternally secure ?

I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 1 John 5:13

John 10:27-28

 

[OIC1965]

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.


Calvinism misses the point - salvation is either by works or grace. If we used the word choice instead of election (and choice is one of the Greek definitions) we can see what Paul is saying more plainly:

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the choice of grace.

Paul is stating that God chose grace and NOT works for the means of salvation for those who put their faith in him. No faith no grace.

It's really simple. Paul's letters deal with works vs faith otherwise he is willing that many will perish (2 Pet 3:9) states he's not willing.

Calvinism is making people the target of "election/choice" for salvation rather than the means of salvation of the people.

So disagree.

Try Romans 11:7. What is chosen there?

 

[OIC1965]

I'm asking you ,about your understanding of eternal security. On what basis do you believe you are eternally secure ?

I gave you the basis and you said Christ keeping us is no basis for eternal security.

 

[OIC1965]

Didn't he lose you after you were chosen ? And isn't that verse before the cross ? There's no verse that says the Father draws after the cross . Just Jesus drawing ALL men .

So this post indicates that you think Christ can no longer keep His own. It’s before the cross, so the statement “all that the Father has given me...” is now false in your view. I disagree

 

[OIC1965]

Try Romans 11:7. What is chosen there?

 

[Rosemaryx]

Why were they not chosen?

Only God knows , I do not know much apart from what the Holy Spirit is teaching me...

Jude 4
4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
...xox...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Only God knows , I do not know much apart from what the Holy Spirit is teaching me...

Jude 4
4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
...xox...

I think he told us sis

he who believes is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already because they have not believed,

and amen with Jude, licentious people, the sane faithless people James fought when he said their faith was dead.

just because people claim they had faith and believe does not prove anything, God knows, in fCt he knew before time began, a power message of security

 

[throughfaith]

So this post indicates that you think Christ can no longer keep His own. It’s before the cross, so the statement “all that the Father has given me...” is now false in your view. I disagree

If you were in Christ before the foundation of the world then he lost you at the fall ,to then find you again . My security is not based on ' election ' . its based on the sealing of the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. Being predestined as sons . to the future Adoption, the redemption of the body.

 

[Rosemaryx]

I think he told us sis

he who believes is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already because they have not believed,

and amen with Jude, licentious people, the sane faithless people James fought when he said their faith was dead.

just because people claim they had faith and believe does not prove anything, God knows, in fCt he knew before time began, a power message of security

Also the word designated , does that not show God had planned them people as part of His plan ?
...xox...

 

[throughfaith]

So this post indicates that you think Christ can no longer keep His own. It’s before the cross, so the statement “all that the Father has given me...” is now false in your view. I disagree

Jesus after the cross draws ( attracts ) all men . There is no verse saying the Father draws or the Holy Spirit draws after the cross .

 

[OIC1965]

If you were in Christ before the foundation of the world then he lost you at the fall ,to then find you again . My security is not based on ' election ' . its based on the sealing of the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. Being predestined as sons . to the future Adoption, the redemption of the body.

Who said I was in Christ then?

 

[Rosemaryx]

Jesus after the cross draws ( attracts ) all men . There is no verse saying the Father draws or the Holy Spirit draws after the cross .

Genuine question...
Why did Jesus tell Nicodemus he must be born again...
Was He preparing Nicodemus heart ...