The problem of sin

throughfaith · Nov 4, 2020

When were our sins paid for? Was it at the cross or the moment we believed?

Were all sins paid for ,or only our past sins ?

Sin is transgression of the law ,did Jesus take away the law at the cross ?

Did God pour out his wrath due to us ,on Jesus ?

Did we recieve Christ's righteousness when we believed

Which verses support these questions?.

Blackpowderduelist · Nov 4, 2020

throughfaith said:

All the sins of the whole world were paid for at the cross, when God poured out his wrath on Jesus at the cross, because the penalty for sun is death. But Jesus is judged as righteous and death could not hold him. How we enter into this righteousness of Jesus is by faith, not that faith is the leverage we use but is the vessel by which God delivers us into this judgement. By faith we enter into his death in baptism, by faith we are entered into the righteousness of Jesus.

I hope this is clear. I don't have the to copy and paste scriptures right now, hopefully I will later.

Blackpowderduelist · Nov 4, 2020

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JaumeJ · Nov 4, 2020

Yes all sins have been bought by the Blood of our Savior, but not all seek to please Him nor to accept that free gift.

throughfaith · Nov 4, 2020

Blackpowderduelist said:

I know of Jordan b Cooper if that's him . Are you a Lutheran?

throughfaith · Nov 4, 2020

Blackpowderduelist said:

All the sins of the whole world were paid for at the cross, when God poured out his wrath on Jesus at the cross, because the penalty for sun is death. But Jesus is judged as righteous and death could not hold him. How we enter into this righteousness of Jesus is by faith, not that faith is the leverage we use but is the vessel by which God delivers us into this judgement. By faith we enter into his death in baptism, by faith we are entered into the righteousness of Jesus.

I hope this is clear. I don't have the to copy and paste scriptures right now, hopefully I will later.

I think i agree , but I'm not sure if your referring to water baptism or The Holy Spirit baptism.?

Deuteronomy · Nov 4, 2020

Hello @throughfaith, if it is someone's past sins alone (the sins that he/she committed prior to coming to saving faith in Christ) that are forgiven by the Lord's death on the Cross, then on what basis are all the rest of their sins (sins committed ~after~ coming to saving faith) forgiven

(cf Hebrews 10:10; 1 Peter 3:18)

Thanks!

~Deut

Hebrews 9

22 All things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Blackpowderduelist · Nov 4, 2020

throughfaith said:

Kind of.
I am in a that I agree with much of the theology, and church presbytery. But am not confirmed.

Deuteronomy · Nov 4, 2020

Whoops, I didn't realize that the link to the two verses that I posited above (in Post #7) was broken until it was too late to do anything about it, so here it is again, hopefully working this time around

(cf Hebrews 10:10; 1 Peter 3:18)

throughfaith · Nov 4, 2020

Deuteronomy said:

Hello @throughfaith, if it is someone's past sins alone (the sins that he/she committed prior to coming to saving faith in Christ) that are forgiven by the Lord's death on the Cross, then on what basis are all the rest of their sins (sins committed ~after~ coming to saving faith) forgiven

(cf Hebrews 10:10; 1 Peter 3:18)

Thanks!

~Deut

Hebrews 9

22 All things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

I believe we recieve remission and redemption today . All sins past ,present and future.

Nehemiah6 · Nov 4, 2020

throughfaith said:

The PENALTY for ALL sins was paid at the cross in full. But the efficacy of that atonement applies only to those who obey the Gospel.

No. He fulfilled the Law and established the New Covenant..

Yes.

Yes

That is your next homework assignment.

throughfaith · Nov 4, 2020

Nehemiah6 said:

Which verses support your answers please ?

throughfaith · Nov 4, 2020

Blackpowderduelist said:

Do you hold to water baptism being necessary to be saved ?

Deuteronomy · Nov 4, 2020

throughfaith said:

No, the Lord Jesus fulfilled the Law on our behalf, both on the Cross, and by the life that He lived in perfect obedience before His Father (when He lived among us), the perfect, sinless life that we were supposed to live before Him .. cf Romans 5:10.

throughfaith said:

Yes, as there is no other basis for our being declared righteous and just by God .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 5:21.

~Deut

Romans 5

8 God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

2 Corinthians 5

21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

throughfaith · Nov 4, 2020

Deuteronomy said:

No, the Lord Jesus fulfilled the Law on our behalf, both on the Cross, and by the life that He lived in perfect obedience before His Father (when He lived among us), the perfect, sinless life that we were supposed to live before Him .. cf Romans 5:10.

Yes, as there is no other basis for our being declared righteous and just by God .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 5:21.

~Deut

Romans 5

8 God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

2 Corinthians 5

21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

I agree ..but just to work through this .
What do we do with this verse .
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;?

Blackpowderduelist · Nov 4, 2020

throughfaith said:

I have no idea why you want to remove water. It's clear in scripture that the Apostles were baptising with water. Philip and the Ethiopian, and the Samarians, and in the case of the language is clear.
who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 8:15‭-‬16 ESV

Baptised in the name of Jesus is with water. Receiving the Holy Spirit is something altogether different.

Just a little side note for thought, Philip, being full of the Holy Spirit, a sent evangelist was traveling, and preaching, and was making disciples, but not conferring the Holy Spirit. Peter and John did that.

Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:14‭-‬17 ESV

AlmondJoy · Nov 4, 2020

When Jesus died on the cross, He paid for every sin that you and I and the rest of the human race will ever commit, from Adam’s first sin until the very last sin that will be committed on this planet.

But that doesn’t mean that God forgives our sins before we commit them.

That is not taught anywhere in the Bible, and when the Lord says that He forgives us and remembers our sins no more, He’s speaking of the sins we have committed at the time He forgives us

2peter 1:9-10
9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Deuteronomy · Nov 4, 2020

throughfaith said:

Hello throughfaith, just for clarity's sake, by "we", you mean those (and those alone) who have come to saving faith in Christ, yes

Also, by "today", you mean that His atoning work on the Cross is the sole basis for God's merciful and gracious choice to forgive...

1. our past sins on the day that He justifies/saves us and

2. our present day and future sins, once we seek His forgiveness for and cleansing of them

...yes

~Deut

1 John 1

8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

1 John 2

1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

oldethennew · Nov 4, 2020

ROM. 5:10.
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more,
being reconciled, we shall be saved by His Life.
8:34.
Who is He that condemns?
It is Christ that died, yes rather, that is Risen again, Who is even at the right hand of God,
Who also makes 'intercession' for us..........................................................................
1JOHN 1:9.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Blackpowderduelist · Nov 4, 2020

throughfaith said:

Jesus fulfilled the law, and thereby concluded the law. Except the law written on our hearts, not with handwriting, but written by the Holy Spirit.

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