Should we oppose what Constantine did for the church?

[Scribe]

I could be wrong, but wasn't Constantine's main contribution to changes for the church the fact that he was the Emperor that made Christianity Legal and also began supporting them with state funds? He inserted his influence in a council over arguments that threatened to split the churches but he was not really considered a theologian nor did he architect any systems. Those came later from one of his sons right? I think he gets too much credit for things that came after him. I have to revisit church history. The fact that he supported the churches and bishops with power and might of Rome and gave them finances which made them become dependent on such secular resources was the cause of the decline and apostacy. They became more concerned about such influence and prestige than being sojourners and pilgrims. Being despised by the government and the wicked masses was better for them in keeping them holy and unpolluted by the corruption that is in the world from lust. Once they had the favor and esteem of the State and the masses they became another form of the Pharisees.

We should not expect the world to love us and help our cause. If they do, we are liable to get complacent and love this world too much.

 

[laymen]

I could be wrong, but wasn't Constantine's main contribution to changes for the church the fact that he was the Emperor that made Christianity Legal

This is true. Why would anyone need to make something like Christianity legal? Its to bad.

 

[Jackson123]

We should not expect the world to love us and help our cause. If they do, we are liable to get complacent and love this world too much.

John 15

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

If the world love us and help our cause, It may because we work for them.
If we work,for the Lord, the world Will hate us.

 

[calibob]

John 15

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

If the world love us and help our cause, It may because we work for them.
If we work,for the Lord, the world Will hate us.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

One thing I do know, sin and repentance being preached is hard to find at pulpits today.

John Hagee ran off with the college girl Diana Castro 12 years younger from the church he pastored, divorced his wife Martha and children, went across town and started a Mega Church

How's John Hagee gonna preach on the sin of Adultery, when he wakes up every morning swimming in it?

Just One Example

Preaching repentance to the un-repentant is like looking for honey in an ant hill.

Better to preach the absolute sovereignty of God that will put some humble into hearts.
About time people learned that God is everything and His creation is nothing.
.......all have gone astray, none seek for God.
Romans 3 <-----Go read about yourselves.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

I could be wrong, but wasn't Constantine's main contribution to changes for the church the fact that he was the Emperor that made Christianity Legal and also began supporting them with state funds? He inserted his influence in a council over arguments that threatened to split the churches but he was not really considered a theologian nor did he architect any systems. Those came later from one of his sons right? I think he gets too much credit for things that came after him. I have to revisit church history. The fact that he supported the churches and bishops with power and might of Rome and gave them finances which made them become dependent on such secular resources was the cause of the decline and apostacy. They became more concerned about such influence and prestige than being sojourners and pilgrims. Being despised by the government and the wicked masses was better for them in keeping them holy and unpolluted by the corruption that is in the world from lust. Once they had the favor and esteem of the State and the masses they became another form of the Pharisees.

We should not expect the world to love us and help our cause. If they do, we are liable to get complacent and love this world too much.

NO, Constantinie USED the existing church to redefine Christian doctrine to remake his old Sun-god religion into an acceptable STATE RELIGION. The result was a mixture of Judaism, Paganism and using Christian terminology. The purpose was to unify all his conquored nations tp ,make them one nation with allegiance to Constantine only.

You should read carefully over Angela's answers in this forum.....she has two very informative posts on this.

 

[Magenta]

God is everything and His creation is nothing.

The work of God's hands is nothing? He saw it as good, and very good. Creation testifies of Him.

The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of His hands.

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-
have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

The works of His hands are truth and justice.

For You, O LORD, have made me glad by Your deeds;
I will sing for joy at the works of Your hands.

I would not call that nothing

 

[Blik]

I think we need to understand what Constantine did to the church with justice. It is only important, now, to see the negative in order to correct those negatives.

God used Constantine for the church, even though his goals were for the promotion of Rome, not to promote the church. In order to see his affect on the church we need to use scripture and see where he differed from scripture. Constantine said the Jews were evil, we were not to follow them. Scripture tells us we are to bless Jews. Constantine said Sunday was the Sabbath, scripture tells us God rested on the last day of the week and we are to do the same--both spiritually and physically. Constantine said the state was the head of the church, scripture tells us God is the head. As examples.

But before Constantine government tried to wipe out the church, after the church was accepted.

 

[Scribe]

NO, Constantinie USED the existing church to redefine Christian doctrine to remake his old Sun-god religion into an acceptable STATE RELIGION. The result was a mixture of Judaism, Paganism and using Christian terminology. The purpose was to unify all his conquored nations tp ,make them one nation with allegiance to Constantine only.

You should read carefully over Angela's answers in this forum.....she has two very informative posts on this.

I read half of Vol 1 of 2 of Kenneth Scott Latourette's History of Christianity last year during a semester on history of missions, but it was so much information I need to read it again a couple of times to retain everything about Constantine. I will read it again because I do recall noticing how many things he gets blamed for that came after him. I just did not commit it to memory sufficiently to speak intelligently about it yet.

 

[laymen]

Just Tells me that Satan does not care what religion looks like as long as you Don't follow the one true God. God truly uses the bad for Good here! Letting Christianity grow.

 

[calibob]

NO, Constantinie USED the existing church to redefine Christian doctrine to remake his old Sun-god religion into an acceptable STATE RELIGION. The result was a mixture of Judaism, Paganism and using Christian terminology. The purpose was to unify all his conquored nations tp ,make them one nation with allegiance to Constantine only.

You should read carefully over Angela's answers in this forum.....she has two very informative posts on this.

That's pretty close to what I leaned. I first read the book of Mark in my twenties, (It was the first gospel I read, because it's the shortest) BTW. we never studied the Bible in Catholic School. I was shocked. I Went to a Catholic church and noticed they were selling Holy Water, rosary beads, magnetic statuettes. pictures of saints, etc. Then I remembered the the story about what Jesus did to the money changers at the temple. The verse when Jesus said "call no man father also was fresh in my mind. I quit being a Catholic then and there! Later on when I was in Bible School I became suspicious of what you said, i and some friends started our own investigation. The truth we discovered was far worse than what you said.

Everybody on my mom's side of the family are what I call 'Holiday Catholics'. On Christ Mass, New Years and Easter They go to Midnight or morning mass, then go to somebody's home, have a feast and get drunk. Weddings, baptism's and funerals. Same story. It's a cultural tradition ane they are all OK with it. Don't get me wrong, I don't hold it against them, I was the same way. I love Catholics and many of them are sincere, sincerely deceived. I despise the Vatican for all of the deception, false dogma, lies and hypocrisy. Look up Pope Alexander VI 1499, (aka), Cardinal Borgia (Lucretia Borgia was his illegitimate daughter). It's well noted in non catholic approved European history,

That's just the visible part of the 'Iceberg Vatican,'

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Just Tells me that Satan does not care what religion looks like as long as you Don't follow the one true God. God truly uses the bad for Good here! Letting Christianity grow.

Good food for thought. Satan does not care what you believe, he does care if you believer the truth.

He is free to deceive the nations and judging by the posts in these chat forums He is having much success.

 

[laymen]

Good food for thought. Satan does not care what you believe, he does care if you believer the truth.

He is free to deceive the nations and judging by the posts in these chat forums He is having much success.

Sounds to me like you said the same thing but ok 🤔

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Sounds to me like you said the same thing but ok 🤔

and so??

 

[Blik]

That's pretty close to what I leaned. I first read the book of Mark in my twenties, (It was the first gospel I read, because it's the shortest) BTW. we never studied the Bible in Catholic School. I was shocked. I Went to a Catholic church and noticed they were selling Holy Water, rosary beads, magnetic statuettes. pictures of saints, etc. Then I remembered the the story about what Jesus did to the money changers at the temple. The verse when Jesus said "call no man father also was fresh in my mind. I quit being a Catholic then and there! Later on when I was in Bible School I became suspicious of what you said, i and some friends started our own investigation. The truth we discovered was far worse than what you said.

Everybody on my mom's side of the family are what I call 'Holiday Catholics'. On Christ Mass, New Years and Easter They go to Midnight or morning mass, then go to somebody's home, have a feast and get drunk. Weddings, baptism's and funerals. Same story. It's a cultural tradition ane they are all OK with it. Don't get me wrong, I don't hold it against them, I was the same way. I love Catholics and many of them are sincere, sincerely deceived. I despise the Vatican for all of the deception, false dogma, lies and hypocrisy. Look up Pope Alexander VI 1499, (aka), Cardinal Borgia (Lucretia Borgia was his illegitimate daughter). It's well noted in non catholic approved European history,

That's just the visible part of the 'Iceberg Vatican,'

We know the Vatican does not truly follow scripture, but what about checking the protestant church? Constantine said that anything the Jews do we must not do for they are an evil people. James said we are not required to follow Jewish customs. Are we following James or Constantine?

Did Constantine have the right to change Passover? Are we following social customs or following the Lord? It is questions I have asked myself, and I find it hard to think only in terms of scripture alone. We are given so much fleshly thought it is difficult to sweep it out of our mind and only reason with scripture words.

 

[Kolistus]

Could someone tell me what exactly Constantine changed?

 

[laymen]

and so??

No worries