Post tribulation belief - Must Read!!! Please Comment,

[eternally-gratefull]

Mark 13:32 But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father
If Jesus said no man knows the hour or day, then you won’t know the hour or day. It doesn’t mean there will be a pre-tribulation resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation Maybe the seven year agreement will be signed under the table or behind the scenes before it comes to light before I its published to the world. So no man will know the hour or day. It doesn’t say there will be a resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation

This is the problem with Peter's belief.

He wants this day to happen at the end of the tribulation. A day which will be known.

1. 7 years after this covenant is confirmed.
2. 3 1/2 years after the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel.
3. after many signs are given (all the judgments which God said would happen in revelation)
Occurs at a time when all flesh are about to be wiped off the earth (Unless Christ comes no flesh will be saved)

in other words, the thief (here Christ) does not come in the night, he comes after giving all signs and warning not only that he is coming but we can know when he will not come.

1. before seven years of the confirming of the covenant
2. before the abomination, and not before 3 1/2 years after the abomination takes place.
3. before all the judgments are completed.
4. before mankind is able to wipe itself off the earth.

yet Peter wants to slam us! what a shame!!

 

[zone]

This is the problem with Peter's belief.

He wants this day to happen at the end of the tribulation. A day which will be known.

1. 7 years after this covenant is confirmed.

what covenant?

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

what covenant?

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

You know what covenant

 

[peterT]

I know you’re not feeling the love.
It’s pretty hard to feel the love when you are on the wrong side the sword of the lord, when you are getting reproved and rebuked. You will just have to trust the Lord that he is trying to love you.
2 Timothy 4:2 reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
I am judging you, yes I need to be able to judge you to get rid of the leaven, but it’s ok to judge righteous judgment
John 72 4 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
I am rooting out and destroying the leaven in you and not just you.
Jeremiah 1:10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to ROOT OUT, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.
Jesus said make the TREE GOOD, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt.
So I am making the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt YOU
Matthew 12:33 Either make the TREE GOOD, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.
You are a proselyte created by man and speak the things they have programed you to speak
Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the CHILD OF HELL than yourselves.

I am just doing what Jesus commanded me to do, make the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt. And Purge out therefore the old leaven
1 Corinthians 5 7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,
How do I know you are corrupt
How do I know you are proselyte?
How do I know you are not of the Lord?
How do I know, because you rejected the word of the Lord and Jesus is the word.
That’s how I know.


I have shown you the first resurrection in the Bible and you still rejected the word of the Lord. And you have shown me nothing, because there is no resurrection or rapture before the great tribulation in the Bible
So I am making the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt YOU.
of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Yes and I am not ashamed of anything that I have said, for what comes out of my heart is the sword of the Lord.
But what comes out of your heart is the tradition of men
Colossians Chapter 2:8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Matthew Chapter 10:34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

 

[peterT]

This is the problem with Peter's belief.

He wants this day to happen at the end of the tribulation. A day which will be known.

1. 7 years after this covenant is confirmed.
2. 3 1/2 years after the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel.
3. after many signs are given (all the judgments which God said would happen in revelation)
Occurs at a time when all flesh are about to be wiped off the earth (Unless Christ comes no flesh will be saved)

in other words, the thief (here Christ) does not come in the night, he comes after giving all signs and warning not only that he is coming but we can know when he will not come.

1. before seven years of the confirming of the covenant
2. before the abomination, and not before 3 1/2 years after the abomination takes place.
3. before all the judgments are completed.
4. before mankind is able to wipe itself off the earth.

yet Peter wants to slam us! what a shame!!

Sorry Nothing about rapture before the great tribulation in those Bible verses
Matthew 23:24[Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Nowhere in the Bible does a resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation.
It is a delusion, it’s just smoke and mirrors, designed by the devil to keep God’s children unprepared.
The reason you cannot see the resurrection, or rapture after the great tribulation is because you will be offended
Matthew 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

I just want to slam you the way Jesus slammed the scribes and Pharisees
I want to ROOT OUT, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down
The false doctrine and Purge out the leaven. Jeremiah 1:10 1 Corinthians 5 7
What Jesus commanded me to do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sorry Nothing about rapture before the great tribulation in those Bible verses
Matthew 23:24[Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Nowhere in the Bible does a resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation.
It is a delusion, it’s just smoke and mirrors, designed by the devil to keep God’s children unprepared.
The reason you cannot see the resurrection, or rapture after the great tribulation is because you will be offended
Matthew 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

I just want to slam you the way Jesus slammed the scribes and Pharisees
I want to ROOT OUT, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down
The false doctrine and Purge out the leaven. Jeremiah 1:10 1 Corinthians 5 7
What Jesus commanded me to do.

Go ahead and slam me! It won't get you anywhere. You refuse to answer questions. You refuse to answer the inconsistencies people have shown you. And you refuse to answer anything that I posted. All you did was make ad hominem attacks which proved nothing.

Your silence speaks louder than words.

its like your saying 2 + 2 = 5. and when people question you on it,, you just attack instead of respond.

 

[Adrianv125]

Hmmm you didn't slam me down or rooted me out or changed my mind about the pre tribulation rapture simply because SCRIPTURE shows me so, even if nobody had ever taught it to me. So you can go on with your little belief that you are on a "mission" to root out the pre trib rapture doctrine. It's your words against the scripture itself. BTW your argument that it was made so that the Church won't be prepared is very weak, since anyone who truly knows the scripture has been WARNED to be ready and have oil (Holy Spirit) in their lamps(dwelling in themselves) to be ready to enter the marriage supper.



Matthew 25

The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins

1 “Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming;[a] go out to meet him!’ 7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’
13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

So yeah, we've been warned to be ready. So even if your post tribulation doctrine was correct, you would have to be ready anyway as well as with the mid trib or pre trib. The difference between all of these is that there is more evidence proving pre trib than the other two. PERIOD AND GOODBYE

 

[Adrianv125]

Matthew 24:36-44 (New King James Version)

No One Knows the Day or Hour

36 &#8220;But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only (DID YOU GET THAT?). 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah(The Church) entered the ark(was raptured), 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away(Wrath of God/Great Tribulation), so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT HOUR YOUR LORD IS COMING (DID YOU GET THAT?). 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 THEREFORE ALSO BE READY, FOR THE SON OF MAN IS COMING <<<AT AN HOUR YOU DO NOT EXPECT>>>.

Once the antichrist is revealed, whoever has knowledge of who he is they will know that in seven years Jesus would come. That would make this verse that JESUS said totally useless.

 

[Adrianv125]

We know from this verse that JESUS wrote and contrasted to the days of noah said that it will be a surprise to the Church when HE comes, as well as for the people who are gonna stay in the tribulation. Noah lasted 100 years preaching the gospel, no one believed Him because everyone thought he was crazy. But once the flood came, everybody knew it was the wrath of God. It will also be in this manner. It will be a surprise for us, HE SAID WE DO NOT KNOW, and it will be a surprise to them once everything starts happening. Noah didn't go through the flood(WRATH OF GOD) but was TAKEN OUT IN THE ARK(Symbol of rapture). So there you go, if you are trying to go against what JESUS clearly stated very CLEARLY then I don't know what to say, maybe you don't take Him LITERALLY.

 

[peterT]

Go ahead and slam me! It won't get you anywhere. You refuse to answer questions. You refuse to answer the inconsistencies people have shown you. And you refuse to answer anything that I posted. All you did was make ad hominem attacks which proved nothing.

Your silence speaks louder than words.

its like your saying 2 + 2 = 5. and when people question you on it,, you just attack instead of respond.

you answer this question
where in the Bible does a resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation.

 

[peterT]

Hmmm you didn't slam me down or rooted me out or changed my mind about the pre tribulation rapture simply because SCRIPTURE shows me so, even if nobody had ever taught it to me. So you can go on with your little belief that you are on a "mission" to root out the pre trib rapture doctrine. It's your words against the scripture itself. BTW your argument that it was made so that the Church won't be prepared is very weak, since anyone who truly knows the scripture has been WARNED to be ready and have oil (Holy Spirit) in their lamps(dwelling in themselves) to be ready to enter the marriage supper.



Matthew 25

The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins

1 “Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming;[a] go out to meet him!’ 7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’
13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

So yeah, we've been warned to be ready. So even if your post tribulation doctrine was correct, you would have to be ready anyway as well as with the mid trib or pre trib. The difference between all of these is that there is more evidence proving pre trib than the other two. PERIOD AND GOODBYE

where is the resurrection, or rapture before the great tribulation.?

Nothing about a Rapture or a resurrection in those Bible verses

Nothing about rapture before the great tribulation in those Bible verses
Nothing about the last trumpet in those Bible verses

Nothing about the voice of the archangel in those Bible verses

Nothing about Jesus comes in the clouds in those Bible verses

Nothing about the raising of the dead first in those Bible verses

Nothing about meeting the Lord in the air in those Bible verses

Sorry
no resurrection or rapture before the great tribulation here

It’s not in the bible

 

[peterT]

I know you’re not feeling the love.
It’s pretty hard to feel the love when you are on the wrong side the sword of the lord, when you are getting reproved and rebuked. You will just have to trust the Lord that he is trying to love you.

2 Timothy 4:2 reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
I am judging you, yes I need to be able to judge you to get rid of the leaven, but it’s ok to judge righteous judgment

John 72 4 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

I am rooting out and destroying the leaven in you and not just you.
Jeremiah 1:10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to ROOT OUT, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.

Jesus said make the TREE GOOD, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt.
So I am making the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt YOU

Matthew 12:33 Either make the TREE GOOD, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.

You are a proselyte created by man and speak the things they have programed you to speak

Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the CHILD OF HELL than yourselves.

I am just doing what Jesus commanded me to do, make the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt. And Purge out therefore the old leaven

1 Corinthians 5 7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,

How do I know you are corrupt
How do I know you are proselyte?
How do I know you are not of the Lord?
How do I know, because you rejected the word of the Lord and Jesus is the word.

That’s how I know.
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I have shown you the first resurrection in the Bible and you still rejected the word of the Lord. And you have shown me nothing, because there is no resurrection or rapture before the great tribulation in the Bible

So I am making the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt YOU.

of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Yes and I am not ashamed of anything that I have said, for what comes out of my heart is the sword of the Lord.

But what comes out of your heart is the tradition of men

Colossians Chapter 2:8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Matthew Chapter 10:34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

 

[Adrianv125]

YOU ARE EITHER BLIND, HAVE A READING DISABILITY OR ARE JUST THE MOST STUBBORN MAN ALIVE

 

[Adrianv125]

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, THEY(Not Noah) were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah(The Church) entered the ark(was raptured), 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away(Wrath of God/Great Tribulation), so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Who was Noah? a man who found grace with God. What is grace? undeserving favor from God, which is our salvation through Jesus. What was Noah's position in the days of the flood? He was the only man among all the people who was counted worthy to escape the flood. Why did God let the flood happen? Because men's evil became so rampant. Why did Noah ESCAPE THE JUDGMENT? Because he had found grace with God. What is the flood a symbol of? God's wrath. What Happened to Noah during the outpouring of God's wrath? He was kept away from it by God. Will God pour out His wrath again? Yes, in the 7 years of tribulation. So if Noah found grace with God, and so have we, will we be kept away from wrath also? Yes, we will because JESUS SAID SO, otherwise He wouldn't have compared Noah's situation to ours.

 

[Adrianv125]

He never said that noah was given a submarine to drown with the people and was kept under water until the water dried. He never said that He took Noah out when half of the water had filled the earth. NO!! He did not let Noah Go through the flood but was KEPT FROM IT.

 

[peterT]

Go ahead and slam me! It won't get you anywhere. You refuse to answer questions. You refuse to answer the inconsistencies people have shown you. And you refuse to answer anything that I posted. All you did was make ad hominem attacks which proved nothing.

Your silence speaks louder than words.

its like your saying 2 + 2 = 5. and when people question you on it,, you just attack instead of respond.

Is not this a war, I am supposed to attack, that’s why I have armour and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. Mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds, this is a war and someone is going to get slamed.
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

2 Corinthians Chapter 10 :4(For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

 

[Adrianv125]

DUDE!!! How can you be at war with brothers in Christ??? You are delusional! That shows right away where your heart is at.

 

[peterT]

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, THEY(Not Noah) were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah(The Church) entered the ark(was raptured), 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away(Wrath of God/Great Tribulation), so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Who was Noah? a man who found grace with God. What is grace? undeserving favor from God, which is our salvation through Jesus. What was Noah's position in the days of the flood? He was the only man among all the people who was counted worthy to escape the flood. Why did God let the flood happen? Because men's evil became so rampant. Why did Noah ESCAPE THE JUDGMENT? Because he had found grace with God. What is the flood a symbol of? God's wrath. What Happened to Noah during the outpouring of God's wrath? He was kept away from it by God. Will God pour out His wrath again? Yes, in the 7 years of tribulation. So if Noah found grace with God, and so have we, will we be kept away from wrath also? Yes, we will because JESUS SAID SO, otherwise He wouldn't have compared Noah's situation to ours.

there is no resurrection, or rapture here, you are delusional

 

[Adrianv125]

1 John 4:20 (New King James Version)

Obedience by Faith
If someone says, &#8220;I love God,&#8221; and hates his brother, HE IS A LIAR; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

1 John 2:4-5 (New King James Version)

4 He who says, &#8220;I know Him,&#8221; and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

John 15:17-18 (New King James Version)

17 These things I command you, that you love one another.



War is an act of hatred, NOT LOVE. You are declaring war against brothers in Christ therefore the truth is not in you and scripture says it so.

 

[Adrianv125]

I'm done with you, my Job was to share. It is God's job to convict and to shine light on anyone He wishes. Your words and attitudes are not of a Christian however, you blatantly go against the principles of Christ. I have done my job through Christ and for Christ, now it's His job to work in the hearts of those who I share with.