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peterT

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DUDE!!! How can you be at war with brothers in Christ??? You are delusional! That shows right away where your heart is at.
Mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds,
And you just happen to have the strong holds, the pre-tribulation delusional that has infected the Christian faith.

this is where my heart is at
 

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Hmm well it's like me saying.

IM GONNA TEAR DOWN THE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION THROUGH BAPTISM ONLY DOCTRINE, OR THE DOCTRINE THAT SAYS THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVED UNLESS YOU SPEAK IN TONGUES BY TELLING ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE HERETICS AND THAT THEY ARE WHORING WITH FALSE PROPHETS AND I'M GONNA SHOVE MY DOCTRINE ON THEM WITHOUT LISTENING TO THEIRS AND WITHOUT GIVING SCRIPTURE IN LOVE AND IN ALL CLARITY THAT SHOWS THAT THEIR DOCTRINE MIGHT BE WRONG, INSTEAD I'M JUST GONNA SAY NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ARE OF THE DEVIL AND YOU ARE LACKING THE HOLY SPIRIT AND YOUR DOCTRINE IS A WILE OF THE DEVIL. THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO "PULL DOWN" THE "STRONGHOLDS", IN FACT YOU ARE CREATING MORE STRONGHOLDS.


NOW IS THAT THE ATTITUDE OF A TRUE CHRISTIAN??? CLEARLY NOT.
 
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1 John 4:20 (New King James Version)

Obedience by Faith
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, HE IS A LIAR; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

1 John 2:4-5 (New King James Version)

4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

John 15:17-18 (New King James Version)

17 These things I command you, that you love one another.



War is an act of hatred, NOT LOVE. You are declaring war against brothers in Christ therefore the truth is not in you and scripture says it so.
I cannot put up with that pre-tribulation false doctrine it’s a sin
And if I did not love you I wouldn’t be bothering with you
You should praise god that I am trying to help
 
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peterT

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I'm done with you, my Job was to share. It is God's job to convict and to shine light on anyone He wishes. Your words and attitudes are not of a Christian however, you blatantly go against the principles of Christ. I have done my job through Christ and for Christ, now it's His job to work in the hearts of those who I share with.
no I don’t go agents the principles of Christ you do, for teaching false doctrine
 
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peterT

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Hmm well it's like me saying.

IM GONNA TEAR DOWN THE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION THROUGH BAPTISM ONLY DOCTRINE, OR THE DOCTRINE THAT SAYS THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVED UNLESS YOU SPEAK IN TONGUES BY TELLING ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE HERETICS AND THAT THEY ARE WHORING WITH FALSE PROPHETS AND I'M GONNA SHOVE MY DOCTRINE ON THEM WITHOUT LISTENING TO THEIRS AND WITHOUT GIVING SCRIPTURE IN LOVE AND IN ALL CLARITY THAT SHOWS THAT THEIR DOCTRINE MIGHT BE WRONG, INSTEAD I'M JUST GONNA SAY NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ARE OF THE DEVIL AND YOU ARE LACKING THE HOLY SPIRIT AND YOUR DOCTRINE IS A WILE OF THE DEVIL. THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO "PULL DOWN" THE "STRONGHOLDS", IN FACT YOU ARE CREATING MORE STRONGHOLDS.


NOW IS THAT THE ATTITUDE OF A TRUE CHRISTIAN??? CLEARLY NOT.
I will do what the Lord tells me to do, and Not what you think that I should be doing
John2121 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what [shall] this man [do] 22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee? follow thou me.

In other words mined your own business what this man should do
 
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peterT

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1 John 4:20 (New King James Version)

Obedience by Faith
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, HE IS A LIAR; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

1 John 2:4-5 (New King James Version)

4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

John 15:17-18 (New King James Version)

17 These things I command you, that you love one another.



War is an act of hatred, NOT LOVE. You are declaring war against brothers in Christ therefore the truth is not in you and scripture says it so.
I cannot put up with that pre-tribulation false doctrine it’s a sin
And if I did not love you I wouldn’t be bothering with you
You should praise god that I am trying to help
 
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eternally-gratefull

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you answer this question
where in the Bible does a resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation.
You have not proven it does not. There are extreme contradictions if it does not happen before the end of the tribulation though. So when are you going to answer those contradictions and make it so the bible does not contradict itself. I do not know when it will happen. I just know it can't happen at the end of tribulation. because if it does, God contradicted himself

Why are you so afraid to answer? Is it because you can't?.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Is not this a war, I am supposed to attack, that’s why I have armour and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. Mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds, this is a war and someone is going to get slamed.
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

2 Corinthians Chapter 10 :4(For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
Dude you don't have anything but extreme hatred. You can't even back your own belief or answer simple questions people ask you.

I suggest you learn how to discuss things with people. you won't appear to be so hatefull and people might actually listen to you.

Posted all those verses you do which has nothing to do with when the rapture will happen will get you nowhere
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I cannot put up with that pre-tribulation false doctrine it’s a sin
And if I did not love you I wouldn’t be bothering with you
You should praise god that I am trying to help
If you really wanted to help you could explain the extreme contradictions which have been shown you which your belief causes. for once these contradictions are taken care of biblically. then we might see it your way. Until then all we see is your judgmental attitude
 
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Amen!

the ressurection will be as a thief. A theif does not leave sins or else people will be waiting.

Yet Christs return is near when we see all signs. In Fact Christ tells us when. After great tribulation (3 1/2 years) Which is started when the abomination of desolation occurs. Then after tribulation. Christ will return for a grreat battle and wipe out all evil.
This would be the battle of Gog and magog.ez ch38and39
One can be known. The other we are not even given a hint.
What is the abomination of desolation?
 
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Amen!

the ressurection will be as a thief. A theif does not leave sins or else people will be waiting.
Not for the ones that are awake.They will know when he is coming
Yet Christs return is near when we see all signs. In Fact Christ tells us when. After great tribulation (3 1/2 years) Which is started when the abomination of desolation occurs. Then after tribulation. Christ will return for a grreat battle and wipe out all evil.

One can be known. The other we are not even given a hint.
The tribulation is caused by the pale horse(fals prophet) war: And the wrath of God is the trumpets.
his wrath comes from above, natural disasters and plagues.
What is the abomination of desolation?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What is the abomination of desolation?
Well gee. Jesus spoke of it. And it was prophesied in Daniel. You don't know what it is? Jesus said when you see it it will be followed by a great tribulation.. Tell me, what do you think it is?
 
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The tribulation is caused by the pale horse(fals prophet) war: And the wrath of God is the trumpets.
his wrath comes from above, natural disasters and plagues.
What is the abomination of desolation?
First off. Those awake are not given any sign that he is coming. They are there one minute, gone th enext.

Second the tribulation is caused by many things. And they are signs of his comming.

Yet we are not told of any signs of the ressurection. We are told he comes as a thief. which would never give any signs as to when he returns unless the master of his house be ready.
 
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That has nothing at all to do with satan being bound so he can not deceive the nations. Which was the point, He is not bound (imprisoned) now. He is limited in what he can do. He can not deceive the elect. But he can and is deceiving nations. Again see Hitler and many others. So :p lol

I agree with you simply cause it agrees with the scriptures.
satan will be bound at the coming,then the beast (the one world system, and the false prophet cast into the lake of fire). Then the harvest of Gods people,then the kingdom setup in israel,then the jews from back then will be brought back in the flesh. And they will be taught by the resurected as guides,and it will spread all over the earh. When the 1000yrs are finished,satan let loose to deceive the nations that refuse to worship God, and he will gather them together to surround the camp of the saint. And God will send FIRE

from heaven and destroy them all. Then comes the 2nd resurection, all of the dead from the past and present, of all nations and religions,and they will be judged by the books,according to their works.Then the earth needs to be purified by melting it.This is necessary, for the earth is so polluted by men; On the earth under the earth, in the sea,under the sea,in the heavens(satelites) the sun, the moon,and planets have been worshipped by men.
All will be melted down,Then the new heaven and the new earth will be created,then God wiil come down and dwell amongst us. We will be all spirit creaturs by then.

''wakeup''.
 
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UHHH those who are asleep??? I don't think so. How can those who sleep be watching???? It will come as a surprise to those who are watching!!!

1 Thessalonians 5

The Day of the Lord

1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us WATCH and be SOBER. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
11 Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.


And how can the tribulation be caused by the false prophet??? Is he the one opening up the seals???? I don't think so!!!
It is Jesus who has sent the 4 riders and the 3 judgments not the false prophet. I don't know where you get these wacky interpretations from.
He will gather his armies ina place called armageddon,north of jerusalem.And push south into jerusalem, and egypt.
Revelation 6

First Seal: The Conqueror

1 Now I saw when the LAMB OPENED ONE OF THE SEALS;[a] and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.
Second Seal: Conflict on Earth


3 When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come and see.” 4 Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.
Third Seal: Scarcity on Earth


5 When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart[c] of wheat for a denarius,[d] and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”
Fourth Seal: Widespread Death on Earth
The black horse is riding now,today and it will be followed by the pale horse,the false prophets army,pushing into jerusalem.

7 When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” 8 So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.
Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs


9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances This is just telling us that the dead saists wanted revenge.and it will come, rev 18:20.rejoice over her,thou heaven,and ye holy apostles and prophets;for God hath AVENGEDYOU ON HER(BABYLON)


12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold,[e] there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon[f] became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,[g] the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the WRATH of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
This is the coming,and the wrath of God.The wrath of God starts with the first trumpet.
2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 (New King James Version)

6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He[a] who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way

What's restraining? The Holy Spirit dwelling within the Church. The Church will be taken away.
God is in charge of everything he is the one restraining.Untill he decides,to let go.
Ohh and the wrath clearly starts on chapter 6 just like the people who call on the rocks to fall on them said :)


There is a lot more to learn.
 
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dat ol satan bin bound since Calvary!

The prince of this world is bound now? today?
Are we free of satan for 2000yrs? what about satan apearing as an angel of light? What about the dragon was wroth with the remnant of the woman? rev12:13. how can the dragon be cast out of heaven,unto the earth,and persecuted the woman?
 
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Well gee. Jesus spoke of it. And it was prophesied in Daniel. You don't know what it is? Jesus said when you see it it will be followed by a great tribulation.. Tell me, what do you think it is?

No you tell me what it is eg.
 
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peterT

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Pre-tribulation Exposed at long last

Jesus tales us the signs
The beginning of sorrows.
the abomination of desolation,
sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Immediately after the tribulation And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
Then Jesus said
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
He comes as a thief
But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
After Jesus telling us the signs and that we will NOT know the day .
You pre-tribers after reading the signs, say that you WILL know the day
After Jesus just telling us that we will NOT know the day, but my Father only
And then they say Mt24 that cannot be the rapture because He comes as a thief and we will know the day, so it must be a pre-trib rapture.
What arrogance what hypocrites what lies what twisting of scriptures
 
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peterT

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Pre-tribulation Exposed at long last

Jesus tales us the signs
The beginning of sorrows.
the abomination of desolation,
sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Immediately after the tribulation And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
Then Jesus said
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
He comes as a thief
But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
After Jesus telling us the signs and that we will NOT know the day .
You pre-tribers after reading the signs, say that you WILL know the day
After Jesus just telling us that we will NOT know the day, but my Father only
And then they say Mt24 that cannot be the rapture because He comes as a thief and we will know the day, so it must be a pre-trib rapture.
What arrogance what hypocrites what lies what twisting of scriptures
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath
For God hath not appointed us to wrath So it must be a pre-trib rapture
This is a scam
The pre-tribers know the bible, and know the wrath comes down upon the wicked after the tribulation after the rapture

Revelation Chapter 15;1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. There we are in heaven just before the wrath is poured out. After getting the victory over the beast after going throw the tribulation.

Revelation Chapter 16 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

But the pre-tribers would have you believe we are going through the wrath the vials

Because therefore it must be a pre-tribulation rapture, because God hath not appointed us to wrath.

The pre-tribers know the bibles, but they would rather have you think you’re going through the wrath if you go into tribulation.

Because it helps there pre-tribulation belief

What arrogance what hypocrites what lies what twisting of scriptures

But you are going throw the THE SEVEN LAST PLAGUES or the trumpets well 6 because the seventh the last trumpet, is the rapture Rv11. But the PLAGUES are only one third strong.

On different to the plagues that came down on Moses and the Egyptians but Moses obeyed and was fine.

What arrogance what hypocrites what lies what twisting of scriptures what a scam.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath. Offcourse God hath not appointed us unto wrath

But he has appointed us to tribulation.
 
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First off. Those awake are not given any sign that he is coming. They are there one minute, gone th enext.

Second the tribulation is caused by many things. And they are signs of his comming.

Yet we are not told of any signs of the ressurection. We are told he comes as a thief. which would never give any signs as to when he returns unless the master of his house be ready.

If you search all the prophesies,you will find the year,the month.
It will be end december--early january, i wont tell you the year.
1.The appearing of the false prophet will be year----
2. The assault on jeruselem will be year-----
3. The murder of the 2 witnesses will be year---
4. The coming of the son of men will be year---

We are told; but must seek. For this keeps us on our toes.Can not fall asleep and get too settled.