Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

[TheDivineWatermark]

Matthew 21 [commentary by Gaebelein, with which I fairly agree] -

"But the Lord now pronounces His verdict upon them. He had heard the words spoken by His enemies in their self-condemnation; He speaks next and tells them that their judgment was right. “Wherefore I say unto you, that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given unto a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof” (Matthew 21:43).

"They had refused not alone that kingdom but the King; the Son they would soon cast out and therefore the Kingdom was to be taken from them. These men who stood there, the generation which had share and part in the rejection of the Kingdom and the King, will never see the Kingdom. It is a sad blindness when men can teach in these days a restitutionism which includes these scribes, elders and chief priests, that they are to be raised from the dead at the time of the coming of the Lord and receive a share in the Kingdom. The Word of the Lord is emphatic and absolute; there is no hope for them. The nation to whom the Lord promises the Kingdom is not the Church. [...<snip>...]. The nation is Israel still, but that believing remnant of the nation, living when the Lord comes [i.e. when the Lord is expected to be "RETURNING" to the earth, that is, what is being shown in Rev19]. He adds another word in connection with speaking of Himself as the Stone, that Old Testament type of King Messiah. “And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder” (Matthew 21:44). This is a very significant utterance. The Lord in these few words predicts the coming judgment of the Jews and the Gentiles. The one sentence has been carried out and the other is still to be executed. The Jews have fallen on this stone and they have been broken. How it has become true! The stone is yet to fall and strike the world-powers, the Gentiles [Gentile domination over Israel="[until] the TIMES of the Gentiles [be fulfilled]" (not speaking of "the Church age" idea--but the "TRODDEN DOWN OF" thing)], and grind them to powder. Our space does not permit to follow this thought, but we advise our readers to turn in their Bibles to Daniel 2:1-49 and read Nebuchadnezzar’s dream and the divinely given interpretation. The stone cut out without hands, falling out of heaven, smiting the great image at its feet, is the Lord Jesus Christ in His Second Coming. The Lord refers to this here. As truly as He broke the Jews who fell on Him, so will He pulverize Gentile world power and dominion, when He is revealed from heaven. The nations are ripe for their judgment."

--Gaebelein, Commentary on Matthew 21

[end quoting; bold, underline and bracketed inserts mine; other parentheses original]


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This corresponds with the posts I've made regarding the SEQUENCE between Matt22:7 (70ad events) and THEN Matt22:8 ("THEN SAITH HE to his servants"... like the LATER Rev1:1 speaks of [see also 7:3 in relation to 1:1, and referring to the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period, yet future (and FOLLOWING "our Rapture")])

 

[cv5]

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four hundred and ninety years), simple

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.

My friend I call to your attention the fact that the Dan ch9 - 69 weeks of years prophetical train has left the station and already reached its destination.

Mar 14, 445BC (command of Artaxerxes Longimanus) to Apr., 6, 32AD (Triumphal Entry).
483 - 360 day years = 173,880 days.

Your preposterous theory of 490 days......Fits absolutely nothing prophetically. Zero nothing totally irrelevant. Please tell us the earth shattering event that occurred in the fall of 444 BC. No matter which way you slice it.....what you're saying is simply senseless zany bizarre and wrong.

Quite frankly I'm exasperated because I have no idea how to help you. Excellent commentators have posted facts on this thread that are beyond refutation. It does no good to simply throw them in the trashcan.

 

[cv5]

Just a few thoughts to CONSIDER:


Acts 15 [ylt] -

13 and after they are silent, James answered, saying, ‘Men, brethren, hearken to me; 14 Simeon did declare how at first God did look after to take out of the nations a people for His name, 15 and to this agree the words of the prophets, as it hath been written:

16 After these things I will turn back, and I will build again the tabernacle of David, that is fallen down, and its ruins I will build again, and will set it upright —

17 that the residue of men may seek after the Lord [<--wouldn't you say this refers to BEFORE His "RETURN" to the earth?], and all the nations, upon whom My name hath been called, saith the Lord, who is doing all these things.

18 ‘Known from the ages to God are all His works...'

[Amplified Bible - '18 SAYS THE LORD, WHO HAS BEEN MAKING THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO [/from the age]'. (i.e. via the OT prophets and prophecies--same as Acts 3:21 speaks to)]


What do you believe v.16's "AFTER THESE THINGS" is referring to?



[notes point back to its connection with-->] Amos 9:11-12 -

A Promise of Restoration
(Acts 15:5–21)

11 “In that day I will restore [*H6965]
the fallen tent of David.
I will repair its gaps, restore [*H6965] its ruins,
and rebuild it as in the days of old,
12 that they may possess the remnant of Edom
and all the nations that bear My name,”d
declares the LORD, who will do this.
13 “Behold, the days are coming,”
declares the LORD,
“when the plowman will overtake the reaper
and the treader of grapes, the sower of seed.
The mountains will drip with sweet wine,
with which all the hills will flow.
14 I will restore [H7725] My people Israel from captivity;e
they will rebuild and inhabit the ruined cities.
They will plant vineyards and drink their wine;
they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
15 I will firmly plant them in their own land,
never again to be uprooted
from the land that I have given them,”
says the LORD your God.


[*H6965 - Compare with Hosea 5:14-6:3, v.2's "IN the third day He will raise us up [H6965]" and the passage goes on to say, v.3, "Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: His going forth is prepared as the morning; and He shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter [/spring] rain UNTO THE EARTH" (where this passage ALSO uses the H2421 word, in connection with this); and Isaiah 26:15-21 (notice its timing clues), where v.19 uses this H6965 word "thy dead men shall live... SHALL THEY ARISE [H6965]..." (not speaking of a bodily/physical resurrection here; and which passage ALSO uses the H2421 word in connection with this); and Daniel 12:1-4[10] (second half of trib yrs context; where this passage, also not speaking of a bodily/physical resurrection, ALSO uses the H2421 word in connection with this)... ALL pertaining to Israel's future (in the same manner that Rom11:15 speaks of it, LIKENING this to a "resurrection"[!]--as well as Rom11:25-29, and Rom9:26/Hos1:10-11 (+2:23a-only; whereas 2:23b speaks of the Gentiles, like Rom9:25 does... by contrast); and John 6:39 (distinct from v.40 re: PERSONS) re: "IN the last day" (recall that "IN THE NIGHT" ['dark'/'darkness'/'sundown'] is the FIRST ASPECT of an entire "day"--esp as it pertains to ISRAEL)... "raise up" THINGS in v.39 ("things" pertaining to His "throne / governance / judging / etc" [not to mention the people to whom these promises particularly pertained, see Acts 1:6 ["restore again"], which question only concerned its TIMING, not its NATURE])]

So, in view of the above passages, "the TIMES OF restoration..." (re: the things having been spoken by God via the OT prophets / prophecies--Acts 3:21--not things that had yet to be spoken [by that point] via the NT "apostles and prophets" )... "the TIMES of restoration" appears to commence in/during/within the short time leading UP TO His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19 [yet FOLLOWING "our Rapture"] when thereafter [at the MK point] the full-fruition of the thing comes into play... I am one that believes Israel comes to faith BEFORE His return to the earth [AT WHICH POINT it is TOO LATE!] (and it is THEY who "lead the charge" in DOING the "INVITING" *during* the trib yrs, such as in Matt24:14 / Matt22:9-14 / Rev19:9 / etc--the RESULTS shown in Rev7:9,14, Matt25:31-48 [vv.40,45 BEING these "INVITERS" themselves], Rev19:9 and the 8-10 "BLESSED" passages relating to this, as well as Matt13:24,47-48 "net cast into the SEA, and gathered OF EVERY KIND"... etc etc). Recall that Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 [i.e. SEALS onward] speaks of the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period (not things which would transpire over some 2000 yrs, nor even 100 years prior... but the "ONE WEEK / 7 YEARS" which is part of what the OT PROPHECY in Daniel said is "DETERMINED UPON" Israel [people of] & Jerusalem... and ONE of those "purposes" is to bring Israel into the New Covenant, turning them to their Messiah [Jesus Christ] BEFORE His ARRIVAL [Rev19]).

Maybe I can add some color to your post. I first heard this in a MacArthur teaching sermon. Interesting. You can find it online if you need to.

James seems to have been by the Holy Spirit editorializing Amos 9:11.
"After these things" vs "In that day".

You're not going to find this in any commentary but it appears as if what James is saying is:
Look.......this is what God is GOING to do for the gentiles (redeeming them) in the coming Millennial Restoration. Why should we be surprised that He is doing the same thing now?

James takes what is purely an Israelite restoration prophecy and turns it into something that is relevant for the mystery that has now been revealed......the Church consisting of both Jews and gentiles.

 

[ewq1938]

Correction:

That seen in Rev 20:1-6 is taking place now in the Lords spiritual realm,

Amillennialism also teaches that the ruling is happening here on the Earth through the living saints. So, denial of an Earthly rule goes against Amillennialism.

 

[ewq1938]

Please describe each of these resurrections, and provide Scripture that will back up your view.

Thanks.

https://christianchat.com/threads/l...the-rapture-is-compelling.197095/post-4483849

 

[Truth7t7]

My friend I call to your attention the fact that the Dan ch9 - 69 weeks of years prophetical train has left the station and already reached its destination.

Mar 14, 445BC (command of Artaxerxes Longimanus) to Apr., 6, 32AD (Triumphal Entry).
483 - 360 day years = 173,880 days.

Your preposterous theory of 490 days......Fits absolutely nothing prophetically. Zero nothing totally irrelevant. Please tell us the earth shattering event that occurred in the fall of 444 BC. No matter which way you slice it.....what you're saying is simply senseless zany bizarre and wrong.

Quite frankly I'm exasperated because I have no idea how to help you. Excellent commentators have posted facts on this thread that are beyond refutation. It does no good to simply throw them in the trashcan.

You forgot the floating 70th week, 2,000 years and waiting, now that's accurate Prophecy work, and Daniel had nothing to do with it.

Real Big Smiles!

 

[Truth7t7]

Amillennialism also teaches that the ruling is happening here on the Earth through the living saints. So, denial of an Earthly rule goes against Amillennialism.

Being Kings and Priests unto God the father, sounds like rulers to me

Revelation 1:5-6KJV
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[ewq1938]

Being Kings and Priests unto God the father, sounds like rulers to me

It should because that's what it means which proves the Millennial rule is also on the Earth in Amillennialism. Anytime you deny an Earthly Millennium you are denying your own doctrine but nio surprise there since that doctrine is full of confusion and contradictions.

 

[cv5]

You forgot the floating 70th week, 2,000 years and waiting, now that's accurate Prophecy work, and Daniel had nothing to do with it.

Real Big Smiles!

Go ahead and tell me how your theory of 490 days or 483 days fits into your theory of eschatology. Humor us. Please.

 

[Truth7t7]

It should because that's what it means which proves the Millennial rule is also on the Earth in Amillennialism. Anytime you deny an Earthly Millennium you are denying your own doctrine but nio surprise there since that doctrine is full of confusion and contradictions.

I dont for in your standard Ahmillennial mold as you think, get off your claims and psycho analysis

 

[Truth7t7]

Go ahead and tell me how your theory of 490 days or 483 days fits into your theory of eschatology. Humor us. Please.

Once Again, Its not gonna change

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four hundred and ninety years), simple

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.

When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the Antichrist and armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation has started.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[ewq1938]

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four hundred and ninety years), simple

Yet Daniel didn't always use that type of language for a time period such as here:

Dan_7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan_12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

If your theory was correct, Daniel should have said, "three and a half years" but he didn't. You thus cannot prove Daniel couldn't have used weeks to mean years.

 

[Truth7t7]

My friend I call to your attention the fact that the Dan ch9 - 69 weeks of years prophetical train has left the station and already reached its destination.

Mar 14, 445BC (command of Artaxerxes Longimanus) to Apr., 6, 32AD (Triumphal Entry).
483 - 360 day years = 173,880 days.

Your preposterous theory of 490 days......Fits absolutely nothing prophetically. Zero nothing totally irrelevant. Please tell us the earth shattering event that occurred in the fall of 444 BC. No matter which way you slice it.....what you're saying is simply senseless zany bizarre and wrong.

Quite frankly I'm exasperated because I have no idea how to help you. Excellent commentators have posted facts on this thread that are beyond refutation. It does no good to simply throw them in the trashcan.

If Daniel purposed 70 weeks to mean 490 years, he would have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) he didnt, he wrote (Seventy Weeks) it's that simple, no secret formala 70 X 7= 490, according to Hebrew custom is needed, nor mans interjection in false wisdom

 

[ewq1938]

If Daniel purposed 70 weeks to mean 490 years, he would have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) he didnt, he wrote (Seventy Weeks) it's that simple, no secret formala 70 X 7= 490, according to Hebrew custom is needed, nor mans interjection in false wisdom

This isn't true. Daniel could have easily used weeks in place of years. I already have proven Daniel didn't always use one type of way to express a period of time.

Dan_9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This is commonly interpreted as a week of years as well and I think that is a correct interpretation.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yet Daniel didn't always use that type of language for a time period such as here:

Dan_7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan_12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

If your theory was correct, Daniel should have said, "three and a half years" but he didn't. You thus cannot prove Daniel couldn't have used weeks to mean years.

We Will Disagree, You Can Keep Your Opinion, And The Floating 70th Week, That's Been 2,000 Years And Waiting

If You Believe That Line, I Have Swamp Land In Florida For Sale, Water Front Property, $10,000 An Acre

Daniel clearly wrote (Seventy Weeks) and that surely dosent mean (Four Hundred Ninety Years) it's that simple

 

[ewq1938]

Daniel clearly wrote (Seventy Weeks) and that surely dosent mean (Four Hundred Ninety Years) it's that simple

Daniel also clearly wrote "a week" that isn't a week, and "time, times and a half" instead of three and a half years. You have no valid position on this.


Dan_9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[ewq1938]

We Will Disagree, You Can Keep Your Opinion, And The Floating 70th Week, That's Been 2,000 Years And Waiting

If You Believe That Line, I Have Swamp Land In Florida For Sale, Water Front Property, $10,000 An Acre

Daniel clearly wrote (Seventy Weeks) and that surely dosent mean (Four Hundred Ninety Years) it's that simple

You are still wrong.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

And yet first resurrection has firstfruits.
.....which automatically leads to other parts of the first.

because the first resurrection is of the spirit , and the second is of the body in the end.



just like we were created in the beginning we were first made a body and then given a living spirit from God , and became a living soul , now that soul needs salvation from death because of the curse of sin.

they need to be born again of the spirit in this world and then have a promise for a new glorified heavenly body for that sanctified child of Gods spirit.

There is both heaven and earth which you understand well , our spirit corresponds to heaven and is of God , and our body is made of the creation the earth and corresponds as such. Salvation requires two parts a redemption and sanctification of the spirit for the new heaven , and a new incorruptible resurrection body for the new earth.

so there are two of everything but it’s one that has two parts like heaven and earth make a “ world “ a spirit and body make a living person.

Because of this There is two of everything really, two births , two deaths , Two testaments , father in heaven and son on earth ect but these “twos “ really make up the “ ones “ meaning each set of two is corresponding to heaven and earth or “spirit and flesh” which both are extensions of the prior spirit of heaven and flesh of earth

man is not only physical but also we are spiritual beings with bodies. Full redemption requires a new spirit which we receive through the operation of faith

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh;

and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:3, 6‬ ‭

The new birthed spirit isn’t destined for the dying body of this dying world but we have the promise of faith regarding our body

“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:

it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:42-44, 47, 49‬ ‭

Everything is following this

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh:

and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16-17‬ ‭

we are essentially at war with our own self having these two warring aspects of our being and needing salvation or both spirit and flesh are doomed

 

[ewq1938]

because the first resurrection is of the spirit , and the second is of the body in the end.

Both resurrections are physical. The first resurrection is when the dead in Christ are resurrected bodily. The second resurrection is when "the rest of the dead", the unsaved, are resurrected.

 

[Truth7t7]

Both resurrections are physical. The first resurrection is when the dead in Christ are resurrected bodily. The second resurrection is when "the rest of the dead", the unsaved, are resurrected.

Your claim is false,you have multiple resurrections, a thousand years apart (False)

There is one future resurrection of all that have lived, this takes place on the last day at the final judgement.