Who are the NEPHILIM in Genesis 6
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Actually I suggest that ALL the books of the Apochrapha be rejected.
Allow me to give you yet another example of FALSE teaching that can lead to the Occult and just plain cultsish religions.
Here's Enoch 48:1-3...
Was the Son of Man named? When was Jesus named in Heaven? This is an attack on the deity of Jesus. Jesus Himself claimed in Revelation 1:8, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Jesus is Eternal, without beginning or end. Head of Days? Lord of Spirits? These terms are NOT found in the Bible. IF the Book of Enoch were valid, composing well over 100 chapters, there should be numerous New Testament references to it; but there aren't. Although some people claim that the Bible quotes the Book of Enoch over 100 times, this is simply not true. Just as the Qur'an, the Book of Enoch borrows from the Word of God. In sharp contrast to the Book of Enoch, the New Testament often quotes the Book of Genesis.
Allow me to give you yet another example of FALSE teaching that can lead to the Occult and just plain cultsish religions.
Here's Enoch 48:1-3...
" And in that place I saw the fountain of righteousness Which was inexhaustible: And around it were many fountains of wisdom: And all the thirsty drank of them, And were filled with wisdom, And their dwellings were with the righteous and holy and elect. 2 And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits, And his name before the Head of Days. 3 Yea, before the sun and the signs were created, Before the stars of the heaven were made, His name was named before the Lord of Spirits."
See it???? Was the Son of Man named? When was Jesus named in Heaven? This is an attack on the deity of Jesus. Jesus Himself claimed in Revelation 1:8, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Jesus is Eternal, without beginning or end. Head of Days? Lord of Spirits? These terms are NOT found in the Bible. IF the Book of Enoch were valid, composing well over 100 chapters, there should be numerous New Testament references to it; but there aren't. Although some people claim that the Bible quotes the Book of Enoch over 100 times, this is simply not true. Just as the Qur'an, the Book of Enoch borrows from the Word of God. In sharp contrast to the Book of Enoch, the New Testament often quotes the Book of Genesis.
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I suppose that you would mean that you would have to reject the following, as well:
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Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied about them:
“Behold, the Lord is coming
with myriads of His holy ones
to execute judgment on everyone,
and to convict all the ungodly
of every ungodly act of wickedness
and every harsh word spoken against Him by ungodly sinners.
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The fact is that, the writings of Enoch was apart of the scriptures up until the 3rd century.
It was God's desire for Jude to quote Enoch, whom God took and that because Enoch walked with God.
You have no idea what authority God has given to certain angels, to represent Him. It's an assumption on your part.
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Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied about them:
“Behold, the Lord is coming
with myriads of His holy ones
to execute judgment on everyone,
and to convict all the ungodly
of every ungodly act of wickedness
and every harsh word spoken against Him by ungodly sinners.
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The fact is that, the writings of Enoch was apart of the scriptures up until the 3rd century.
It was God's desire for Jude to quote Enoch, whom God took and that because Enoch walked with God.
You have no idea what authority God has given to certain angels, to represent Him. It's an assumption on your part.
There were many things the early church had to contend with.
One is what is to be the word of God? Out of that question I have no doubt God is very much able to "keep Hid word".
it was the Holy Spirit who gave us the Measuring rod by which to decern what is the word of God, not man, but God did through the Holy Spirit.
The Truth is paramount. Truth must be the foundation on which all others are measured by.
Jesus said in John's gospel 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Jesus is the foundational truth on which all scriptures must line up with ALL. The book of Enoch only mentioned what you see after you have read in the bile what is known to be the truth as in Jude.
Surely you know that also writings were nothing new and did not only happen in the second and third centuries.
We know that many writing s were done and recorded of even pagan kings known as the "Edict".
The early church prayed and sought God as to what they believed God wanted to be known as HIS word.
The Book of Enoch was not written by Enoch. That is a big problem. There was a time the first four Books of the law were thought not to be written by Moses. We know it was From God given to Moses. Passed down to us.
That is a very powerful standard by which all scripture was measured.
That can't be said about Enoch or any of the Apocrypha which means " hidden".
it is clear the Koran, and other false beliefs used these books and even Elevated angels over The Lord Jesus Christ as the book of Mormons did. Spiritualism and their writings are nothing new. Paul had to combat it. They went dead for a bit then resurfaced after the death of John the Apostle 100 years after his death. many liberal theologians even hold the Gnostics as authoritative as the synoptic Gospels who were eyewitnesses or received from those who were eyewitnesses of the Lord's death burial and resurrection.
can one read them? Sure. But treat them like the writings of Josephus not as the writer of Genesis or the Gospel of Mark.
all scripture must be true.
One is what is to be the word of God? Out of that question I have no doubt God is very much able to "keep Hid word".
it was the Holy Spirit who gave us the Measuring rod by which to decern what is the word of God, not man, but God did through the Holy Spirit.
The Truth is paramount. Truth must be the foundation on which all others are measured by.
Jesus said in John's gospel 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Jesus is the foundational truth on which all scriptures must line up with ALL. The book of Enoch only mentioned what you see after you have read in the bile what is known to be the truth as in Jude.
Surely you know that also writings were nothing new and did not only happen in the second and third centuries.
We know that many writing s were done and recorded of even pagan kings known as the "Edict".
The early church prayed and sought God as to what they believed God wanted to be known as HIS word.
The Book of Enoch was not written by Enoch. That is a big problem. There was a time the first four Books of the law were thought not to be written by Moses. We know it was From God given to Moses. Passed down to us.
That is a very powerful standard by which all scripture was measured.
That can't be said about Enoch or any of the Apocrypha which means " hidden".
it is clear the Koran, and other false beliefs used these books and even Elevated angels over The Lord Jesus Christ as the book of Mormons did. Spiritualism and their writings are nothing new. Paul had to combat it. They went dead for a bit then resurfaced after the death of John the Apostle 100 years after his death. many liberal theologians even hold the Gnostics as authoritative as the synoptic Gospels who were eyewitnesses or received from those who were eyewitnesses of the Lord's death burial and resurrection.
can one read them? Sure. But treat them like the writings of Josephus not as the writer of Genesis or the Gospel of Mark.
all scripture must be true.
was Adam a son of God? Metaphorically, and figuratively and biblically? Yes. Jesus is called the second Adam, yet Jesus was not a created being as Adam He was God in flesh.
The term son of God and walked with God mean more than one thing.
walked with God, Knew God, and son of God , people of God, the elect, chid of God, Follower of Christ, Saved, Christians called out ones all speak of the relationship of MAN with GOD not angels as a normative in scripture.
Where angels are called "son of God" they are descriptive yet with man it is well established in both Old and New Testament Man is who it is meaning as a normative.
No, I am not using private interpretation.
You must learn what is the authorial intent.
relationship with Christ makes you a child of God but that was not the only place prior to the Lord's Coming it was used. Context.
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Look at what Jesus said here about who "sons of God" are.
Luke 20:34-40
after the scribes tried to trick Jesus about marrying in the afterlife women who husband had died and she remarried many times " Whose husband will she be."?
34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. 37 But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’[fn] 38 For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”
39 Then some of the scribes answered and said, “Teacher, You have spoken well.” 40 But after that they dared not question Him anymore.
Now, notice Jesus said something many did not read correctly in their overzealousness of Genesis 6 in context to angels having relations with women.
Jesus said "for they are equal to the angels" who is the " they " Jesus is speaking about?
Those who are the children of God. Those who are equal to angels Not ruled by the flesh but by the Spirit. Jesus did not call the angels here " sons of God did he? No, he was speaking of men who were saved and resurrected. not limited by the flesh as we are nw.
But when we have been glorified as angels in even are now we shall be like them not as them. Angels did not cross over into the man nor man into angels each said with their own kind but we will be changed.
Angels can sin yet they do not have to create power or ability. God made us with the ability to procreate. Angels do not have this ability. They are not flesh and blood which is needed to have life.
The Holy Spirit had to be involved with mary conceiving, not the Ark Angel Micheal or Gabrial why? Because the Holy Spirit is God who can create.
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So you agree that angels have the ability to do what God did not create them to do?
And that angels have the power to go outside of the kind they were created to be? I guess cats can make dogs and dogs can make fish? God's natural order can be changed by lesser spiritual beings is what you are saying?
Nothing in the scriptures says that angels had sex with women of the earth. Yet Jesus did say how the angels are in Luke 20 not what they have become.
And that angels have the power to go outside of the kind they were created to be? I guess cats can make dogs and dogs can make fish? God's natural order can be changed by lesser spiritual beings is what you are saying?
Nothing in the scriptures says that angels had sex with women of the earth. Yet Jesus did say how the angels are in Luke 20 not what they have become.
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I thought that the Old Test. believers were saved by FAITH!
You are maintaing that Jude quotes from the apocryphal book of Enoch. Often, this is put forward as a statement of fact in order to move forward to the much “larger” discussions regarding the meaning of extra-Biblical quotes, their place in Scripture, and the question of their inspiration.
At least that is what it appears you have done.
However, upon close study it can be seen that Jude did not quote the book of Enoch, but rather attributes the quote to Enoch, a specific individual we know that lived before Noah.
What Jude does do is he amplifies Enoch, the man.
Jude 14-15........
"Enoch, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied about them saying, “Look! The Lord is coming with thousands and thousands of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
The CONTEXT is that Jude is writing a brief, but stern letter of warning “to those who are called” regarding false teachers. It is the false teachers that Jude says Enoch was prophesying about in his statement of judgement for their “deeds of ungodliness”.
You are maintaing that Jude quotes from the apocryphal book of Enoch. Often, this is put forward as a statement of fact in order to move forward to the much “larger” discussions regarding the meaning of extra-Biblical quotes, their place in Scripture, and the question of their inspiration.
At least that is what it appears you have done.
However, upon close study it can be seen that Jude did not quote the book of Enoch, but rather attributes the quote to Enoch, a specific individual we know that lived before Noah.
What Jude does do is he amplifies Enoch, the man.
Jude 14-15........
"Enoch, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied about them saying, “Look! The Lord is coming with thousands and thousands of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
The CONTEXT is that Jude is writing a brief, but stern letter of warning “to those who are called” regarding false teachers. It is the false teachers that Jude says Enoch was prophesying about in his statement of judgement for their “deeds of ungodliness”.