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Man by nature cannot believe on Christ Jn 6:44,65
Neither verse says what you keep claiming. Why can't you cite any verse that actually DOES say what you claim?

Because the Bible doesn't say what you claim.
 

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John 12 ..The keep reading principal. Calvinism will never teach you to do that.
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33This he said, signifying what death he should die.
You cant accept that truth can you ?
 

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Neither verse says what you keep claiming. Why can't you cite any verse that actually DOES say what you claim?

Because the Bible doesn't say what you claim.
Sure they say it No man can come to me. Can denotes ability, so they dot have ability. Thats spiritual inability.
 

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I say that about you. Man naturally cannot come/believe in Christ Jn 6:44,65
They can come. Jesus draws ALL men after the cross . So being ' drawn ' and believing are not the same. Unless your a universalist ?
 

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Sure they say it No man can come to me. Can denotes ability, so they dot have ability. Thats spiritual inability.
44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So all the ones CAN come because the Father draws them . Remember Jesus later says he will DRAW ALL men to him in John 12.32 ( After the cross) .
Now a lot were drawn to Jesus by the Father and most of them left him . So drawing is not drinking the water also ( lead the horse to water but not FORCE them to drink ) .
 

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Sure they say it No man can come to me. Can denotes ability, so they dot have ability. Thats spiritual inability.
“Except the Father which hath sent me, DRAW HIM.” Note the reference is not to any Christian who showed up on this earth after Acts 2
 

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Sure they say it No man can come to me. Can denotes ability, so they dot have ability. Thats spiritual inability.
Jeremiah 31:3 where the loved ones whom God “drew to Him” were cast out of His sight (Jer. 14:16, 7:15, 15:1)
 

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They can come. Jesus draws ALL men after the cross . So being ' drawn ' and believing are not the same. Unless your a universalist ?
The cant come naturally by their own freewill Jn 6:44,65
 

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Sure they say it No man can come to me. Can denotes ability, so they dot have ability. Thats spiritual inability.
Keep reading.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
 

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“Except the Father which hath sent me, DRAW HIM.” Note the reference is not to any Christian who showed up on this earth after Acts 2
Yeah. the drawing is in the Day of Gods Power via regeneration Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power,
in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
 

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Yeah. the drawing is in the Day of Gods Power via regeneration Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power,
in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
Let's try stick to the verse .
 

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Keep reading.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Man has no ability to come to Christ/Believe in Christ Jn 6:44,65. Sure he can come once he is a new creature by the Spirit. One has to be Spiritual to be taught of God.
 

throughfaith

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Im explaining scripture. If you dont want me to, then dont ask me about a verse anymore.
I'm asking about John 6. The meaning of the verse has to be understood in its immediate context of the chapter and book first before we go tip toeing through the bible to ' harmonise ' .
 

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Yeah. the drawing is in the Day of Gods Power via regeneration Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power,
in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
Back to John 6 . Go back a few verses to 39 ( let's try focus on the chapter in question, this is usually tricky for some Christians to do ) 39
“That every one which SEETH the Son...raise HIM up at the last day”

I believe this verse means what it says, do you ?
 

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Yeah. the drawing is in the Day of Gods Power via regeneration Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power,
in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
John 6.39

40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
When the resurrection on the “last day” takes place, every Christian who got saved from Acts 2 to the Rapture (1 Thess. 4; 1 Cor. 15) will have already been reigning a thousand years on earth with Christ (Rev. 20:1–6), having been “conformed to His image” (sinless perfection) BEFORE the Millennial Reign begins.