nonsense
i'm not correcting John; i'm correcting you -- let's recap:
- John says "none was found worthy"
- lamad says that means no one was worthy
- lamad says this means God was not worthy
- the truth is that God is worthy and is never not worthy
- the truth is that God hides Himself and reveals Himself
- the truth is that John says The Worthy One was not found, and then The Worthy One appeared
so you see dear neighbor, what is written is true, but your interpretation is not. your interpretation is blasphemous, because it attributes imperfection to God. i am belaboring the point because fear of God is
fundamental to comprehending scripture and it's a fundamental mistake in the pretext underpinning all of your arguments. why should i bother trying to fix the 4th floor while the foundation is bad? so i'm pointing straight at that foundation and can't move on to anything else until it's fixed.
i told you literally 20 hours ago:
see post #138
but you thought the scripture was irrelevant and meaningless.
then i explained it to you bluntly this morning.
why are you still acting like i didn't tell you? why are you still asking? do you still not understand?[/
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Since it was the man / God - Jesus Christ - who was found worthy LATER (time passed) And since John said of that first search, "no man was found worthy" (to take the book and open the scrolls,") It is showing us that at that point in time, Jesus was not worthy to take the book and open the scrolls. It is simple logic. Jesus NOT found worthy, then Jesus FOUND worthy. He asked me "WHY was I not found worthy in that first search."
This is Jesus Christ, the head of the church saying that He was not found worthy in that first search and asking me why. And that is what John wrote: no man (includes Jesus Christ) in heaven, on earth and under the earth was found worthy (to take the book and open the seals.)
You can argue against John and the Holy Spirit "till the cows come home" and you will still be mistaken. It is a truth of scripture: Jesus Christ, the Redeemer, was not found as a man worthy to take the book and open the seals in that first search.
You say God is never "not worthy" but you left off "to take the book and open the seals." We are talking about a very specific worthiness. Why is it so difficult for you to believe John?
NOw for your red herrings:
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. [This is truth, but it does not explain why Jesus was not found in that first search. This is a "red herring," or a distractor.}
Isa 45:15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. [This is truth: God is a self revealing God: If He did not reveal Himself to us, we would know NOTHING of Him. But this also is a red herring, or distractor that does not answer the question as to WHY Jesus was not found worthy in that first search.]
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. [Another red herring or distractor: a good verse and truth, but does not answer the question as to WHY Jesus was not found in that first search.]
Luk 2:11 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. [Yet another distractor. We all know Jesus was born and was a Savior. But who could He save as a baby? Paul's gospel, the very gospel by which we will be judged is about how "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Another question remains to be answered: Could the baby Jesus "save us?" The answer is a resounding NO! WE are saved by Grace through our faith in His death and resurrection. Jesus was called "the redeemer" in the Old Testament, but that was looking forward to His death and resurrection. Remember Paul's words:
" if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. " ]
So NONE Of these scriptures answers the simple question, why was Jesus not found worthy to take the book in that FIRST search? If we read ahead, we can ANSWER this question:
Rev 5:9 Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof:
for [ or because] thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood..."
This was said AFTER He had risen from the dead and ascended back into the throne room. So being slain, and shedding blood was not the end of the story: He did not remain "slain."
He arose.
I submit that the reason He was not found worthy in that first search is because our salvation was not completed: He had not risen from the dead at the time of that first search.
(See how easy it is if we just follow the text?)