No MAN has SEEN God at ANY time
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1) Face to face makes is self explanatory, I never brought up the Exodus 33 account about Moses seeing God face to face "as a friend", so don't attack that argument like I even brought it up. When I did not. In fact, you brought it up and then attacked your own argument. As you continue to attack your own arguments, I'll skip down your posts and go over some of the things I actually did say.
2) Isaiah never said he saw God face to face, he said he saw the Lord (God). Since you keep on making up arguments and not actually responding to what I am saying, I suppose I will reply to this one. The serafim were had 6 wings each, they used 2 wings to cover their OWN face. (NOT God or Isaiah's face), read the text CAREFULLY. And then they covered their feet with 2 other wings and then THEY (the sefarim) cried out "holy holy holy is the Lord of hosts and the whole earth is full of His glory". So, Isaiah does not go into detail about what he actually saw, except for the fact he said he saw God. No one mentioned anything about Isaiah seeing God face to face, that is another argument you made up.
3) The fact of the matter is you admit "they still saw God, yes", so this means you are admitting God was seen, yet you posted earlier that God has never been seen. So which is it? Has God ever been seen or has God been seen? That was my entire point, they are both true but Jesus being the image of the invisible God (Col. 1:15) was the one seen whenever God was looked upon. The Father remains invisible and never seen by anyone. (nothing mentioned about just seeing His "face", but seeing Him in general, at all).
4) You confirm again God was seen, but not face to face. Completely ignoring passages like Genesis 18, 32 (which I quoted).. Etc, etc. If Jacob said he saw God face to face, why on earth would you go to Exodus 33 and refute Moses seeing God's face when no one brought that point up? (Folks, please notice the lack of consistency)
5) The Word became flesh and this flesh was named Jesus. So, yes Jesus is the Word.
Why do you bring up Melchizedek? I don't understand why you continue to bring up arguments that I never even mentioned.
2) Isaiah never said he saw God face to face, he said he saw the Lord (God). Since you keep on making up arguments and not actually responding to what I am saying, I suppose I will reply to this one. The serafim were had 6 wings each, they used 2 wings to cover their OWN face. (NOT God or Isaiah's face), read the text CAREFULLY. And then they covered their feet with 2 other wings and then THEY (the sefarim) cried out "holy holy holy is the Lord of hosts and the whole earth is full of His glory". So, Isaiah does not go into detail about what he actually saw, except for the fact he said he saw God. No one mentioned anything about Isaiah seeing God face to face, that is another argument you made up.
3) The fact of the matter is you admit "they still saw God, yes", so this means you are admitting God was seen, yet you posted earlier that God has never been seen. So which is it? Has God ever been seen or has God been seen? That was my entire point, they are both true but Jesus being the image of the invisible God (Col. 1:15) was the one seen whenever God was looked upon. The Father remains invisible and never seen by anyone. (nothing mentioned about just seeing His "face", but seeing Him in general, at all).
4) You confirm again God was seen, but not face to face. Completely ignoring passages like Genesis 18, 32 (which I quoted).. Etc, etc. If Jacob said he saw God face to face, why on earth would you go to Exodus 33 and refute Moses seeing God's face when no one brought that point up? (Folks, please notice the lack of consistency)
5) The Word became flesh and this flesh was named Jesus. So, yes Jesus is the Word.
Why do you bring up Melchizedek? I don't understand why you continue to bring up arguments that I never even mentioned.
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Oh, sorry I would like to add one more point about Isaiah 6 and possibly take it in another direction. Please refer to John 12:37-41 where Isaiah 6 is quoted and then John performs an exegesis on the text of Isaiah 6 and says, in verse 41 "these things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him." The only "Him" in the context (read it please) is Jesus. So Isaiah saw the glory of Jesus (read Isaiah 6:3 when they cried out "holy holy holy is the Lord of hosts and the whole earth is full of His glory!".. So, again this only points in the direction that Jesus is in fact God in the flesh because Isaiah spoke about the glory of God being seen, John says it's the glory of Jesus.
Think about that.
I won't be engaging in a debate here any longer because the forums are too time consuming. I hope you carefully consider some of the things which were said by me and others.
Have a blessed day in Jesus' name, take care.
John 2:19
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Acts 3:15
and you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.
Mark 3:15
And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads and saying, “Aha! You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days,
Mark 14:58
“We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another, not made with hands.’”
Daniel 2:34
While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them.
1 Corinthians 10:4
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Acts 3:15
and you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.
Mark 3:15
And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads and saying, “Aha! You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days,
Mark 14:58
“We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another, not made with hands.’”
Daniel 2:34
While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them.
1 Corinthians 10:4
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.
Zone, i have no idea what your problem is, in being incapable of comprehending what you read 
don't even want to know.
But you could do me a huge favour; comment all you like against what i have to share; but PLEASE never as me a question. Thanks.
Forever in Christ
don't even want to know.But you could do me a huge favour; comment all you like against what i have to share; but PLEASE never as me a question. Thanks.
Forever in Christ
so i guess you won't be explaining why the Father's feelings would be hurt if people pray to Jesus.
(those aren't your own words anyways, so i don't blame you for coming up with it).
Proverbs 8:23
I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 8:58
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
John 17:1
After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.
John 17:24
"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
1 Peter 1:21
Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
~
Proverbs 8:23
I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
Transliteration: olam or olam
Phonetic Spelling: (o-lawm')
Short Definition: forever
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
long duration, antiquity, futurity
ages (1), all successive (1), always (1), ancient (13), ancient times (3), continual (1), days of old (1), eternal (2), eternity (3), ever (10), Everlasting (2), everlasting (110), forever (136), forever and ever (1), forever* (70), forevermore* (1), lasting (1), long (2), long ago (3), long past (1), long time (3), never* (17), old (11), permanent (10), permanently (1), perpetual (29), perpetually (1).
always, ancient time, any more, continuance, eternal, for, everlasting, long time, Or lolam {o-lawm'}; from alam; properly, concealed, i.e. The vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future), i.e. (practically) eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with prepositional prefix) always -- alway(-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal, (for, (n-))ever(-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end). Compare netsach, ad.
I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 8:58
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
John 17:1
After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.
John 17:24
"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
1 Peter 1:21
Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
~
Proverbs 8:23
I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
long duration, antiquity, futurity
Original Word: עוֹלָםTransliteration: olam or olam
Phonetic Spelling: (o-lawm')
Short Definition: forever
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
long duration, antiquity, futurity
ages (1), all successive (1), always (1), ancient (13), ancient times (3), continual (1), days of old (1), eternal (2), eternity (3), ever (10), Everlasting (2), everlasting (110), forever (136), forever and ever (1), forever* (70), forevermore* (1), lasting (1), long (2), long ago (3), long past (1), long time (3), never* (17), old (11), permanent (10), permanently (1), perpetual (29), perpetually (1).
always, ancient time, any more, continuance, eternal, for, everlasting, long time, Or lolam {o-lawm'}; from alam; properly, concealed, i.e. The vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future), i.e. (practically) eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with prepositional prefix) always -- alway(-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal, (for, (n-))ever(-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end). Compare netsach, ad.
"holy holy holy is the Lord of hosts and the whole earth is full of His glory!"
AMEN!
thanks Shwagga!
Isaiah 6:1
In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple.
John 12:41
Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.
Luke 24:27
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
John 1:45
Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.”
John 12:20-21
Now among those who went up to worship at the feast were some Greeks. So these came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, and asked him, “Sir, we wish to see Jesus.”
John 14:8-11
Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.
No your brain deadness, i don't think i need to explain something that i already have; your inability to comprehend it, is your problem.
Personally as i've mentioned before, but is only a personal beleif; i think when they had you in the Phych ward, that you just don't remember anything after they did zap you.
You display NO fruits of the spirit to me whatsoever; we obviously DO NOT agree on much outside of the name of Christ; so why don't you do both of us a favour and just mind your own business; Miss busybody in other peoples affairs.
Personally as i've mentioned before, but is only a personal beleif; i think when they had you in the Phych ward, that you just don't remember anything after they did zap you.
You display NO fruits of the spirit to me whatsoever; we obviously DO NOT agree on much outside of the name of Christ; so why don't you do both of us a favour and just mind your own business; Miss busybody in other peoples affairs.
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sounds like any one claiming to be a prophet of the Lord after Moses and how to test if they are from God or not.
Deuteronomy 18
15 “The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16 according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’
17 “And the LORD said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
basically a true Prophet of God speaks only the truth, anything they say will come true, if they bless or curse someone or a nation then it comes to pass for they are God's representatives on Earth that is why I think Jesus is MORE then just another prophet.
the passages shows how people rejected the Holy Spirit and direct communication with God and needed prophets in the first place.
Deuteronomy 18
15 “The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16 according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’
17 “And the LORD said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
basically a true Prophet of God speaks only the truth, anything they say will come true, if they bless or curse someone or a nation then it comes to pass for they are God's representatives on Earth that is why I think Jesus is MORE then just another prophet.
the passages shows how people rejected the Holy Spirit and direct communication with God and needed prophets in the first place.
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Who did the Pharisees believe Jesus claimed to be?
The Jews insisted
We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the son of God
John 19:7
This was just before Christ's crucifixtion, so after Jesus public ministry had finished, this was who the Jews believed he had claimed to be
Who did Jesus claim to be?
Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy, because I said I am God's son
John 10:36
The high priest said to him
'I charge you under oath by the living God. Tell us if you are the Christ, the son of God
Yes, it is as you say Jesus replied
Matt 26:63&64
Who did the people believe Jesus was?
Then Nathaneal declared
Rabbi, you are the son of God
John 1:49
Yes Lord she told him. I believe you are the Christ, the son of God
John 11:27
Simon Peter answered
You are the Christ, the son of the living God
Matt 16:16
The Jews insisted
We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the son of God
John 19:7
This was just before Christ's crucifixtion, so after Jesus public ministry had finished, this was who the Jews believed he had claimed to be
Who did Jesus claim to be?
Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy, because I said I am God's son
John 10:36
The high priest said to him
'I charge you under oath by the living God. Tell us if you are the Christ, the son of God
Yes, it is as you say Jesus replied
Matt 26:63&64
Who did the people believe Jesus was?
Then Nathaneal declared
Rabbi, you are the son of God
John 1:49
Yes Lord she told him. I believe you are the Christ, the son of God
John 11:27
Simon Peter answered
You are the Christ, the son of the living God
Matt 16:16
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