Movie folks, again. this time about science fiction. Biomats and stuff.

[mindfulzen]

Movie narrative from 1970s, is,. we go to space, we searh some planets, we find robots doing primitive farmwork. Why? If the "others " can make robots, why make them to do primitive work?Probably to test and develop them, right? Makes sense. Anyways, the people wake up, and everybody says deep sleep has not been good at all, deep sleep is tiresome apparently. But the norwegain conqurers of space, get to work. So after the deep sleep for like 1 year, they wake up and water the plants manually, and housten, we have a problem. Why are the plants still living, if you need to water them manually? And you have slept a long while?

The movie starts about a blindpaassenger being onboard. Added weight while they where a sdleep. All living beings registered onboard, and nlone extra. One of them, is that one. Much distrust. Do not remember the movie, butt it ends with them finding out that a biomat admitting he put one of the humans through the garbage disposal, to take his place. Good movie. Cant wait to fit in missing pieces, a fun movie.

 

[mindfulzen]

Now they eat eggs? wh9o fed the chickens during hypersleep?

 

[tourist]

Now they eat eggs? wh9o fed the chickens during hypersleep?

It could have been the Borg.

 

[Genipher]

It could have been the Borg.

Resistance is futile!

 

[tourist]

Resistance is futile!

This has been my experience as well.

 

[Lynx]

Now they eat eggs? wh9o fed the chickens during hypersleep?

I got something even more puzzling.

Think about all the zombie movies you have seen. Think about all the shots of a family running from zombies, across a neighborhood, running over... perfectly mowed lawns...

Who is keeping all the grass cut so precisely during a zombie apocalypse?!

 

[mindfulzen]

I got something even more puzzling.

Think about all the zombie movies you have seen. Think about all the shots of a family running from zombies, across a neighborhood, running over... perfectly mowed lawns...

Who is keeping all the grass cut so precisely during a zombie apocalypse?!

Do not really watch zombiestuff, apart from the news from time to time. And in european movies and shows, they would not make such mistakes with details, like having zombies having perfect yards, the grass would be overgrown in european zombiemovies. Since we have had the virus and lockdown, I recently watched a british series about such an outbreak, and they did not mess up on such details. Nature had taken back houses. And this science fiction movie I speak of is norwegian, from the 70s, so details are naturally covered well, and no logical fallacies. Apart from the hens and feeding while the humans were in cryosleep. The cream of the crop of television at that era. This was from 1978 to be exact. I guess it is just assumed some sort of automatic feeder, but would be nice if they had shown how it worked and turn it off after they woke up, since the manually fed the hens after that. Everything is off topic, nothing about hens laying eggs and getting fed on spaceships.

funfact, it was written by Jon Bing, a very smart write, who may or may not be a professor or some sorts of an academic, so therefore all logical. He owned the bing domain, that microsoft later purchased from him.

 

[Lynx]

It is much on topic, not off topic at all. Science fiction, check. Oversights and plot holes, check. The zombie lawns are on topic for this thread.

 

[mindfulzen]

It is much on topic, not off topic at all. Science fiction, check. Oversights and plot holes, check. The zombie lawns are on topic for this thread.

OK, who am I to argue with that, I am just the creator of the thread. My angle was more this sort of a blooper, where you have plants and livestock being fed and watered while the humans sleep for 1 year or many years. Then they do not show how it is done, and do it manually, when there must be an automatic system that can do the job. Illogical. And also, I would think some of the chickens would have died in their sleep, so they should start by removing some perished chickens and dispose them properly. Then weed the garden. This is not american science fiction, this has a tremendous plot, so this is not a mindless movie you just watch. Part philosophy, part mystery, part thriller. Without any spacelasers or violence. They must find the blindpassenger in 20 hours or so, otherwise the logical earthlings at spacecommand will be forced to blow them up with a laser before they return to earths orbit. The rep from spacecommand on the videocall is very much spocklike. Just give them the cold hard facts and protocol, and wish them good luck on solving their objective. And the spacetravelers just accept it and go to work, apart from the human resource girl, psychologist or sumding, gets all emotional and have an outburst. But then she joins the group in a real spacemystery sherlock holmes style.

 

[Lynx]

OK, who am I to argue with that, I am just the creator of the thread.

Forum threads are conversations, and this is how conversations work. You started talking about plot holes in a science fiction movie and I mentioned another kind of plot hole that frequently pops up in some kinds of science fiction movies.

But if you insist on talking ONLY about the chickens and NO OTHER PLOT HOLES IN ANY OTHER MOVIE EVER...

Did they say the chickens were awake for the whole time? Could the chickens have also been in cryosleep? Chickens are durable little birds. If complex, fragile humans can endure cryosleep I'm sure chickens would survive it.

 

[tourist]

Did they say the chickens were awake for the whole time? Could the chickens have also been in cryosleep? Chickens are durable little birds. If complex, fragile humans can endure cryosleep I'm sure chickens would survive it.

Stasis. Besides being durable, chickens are tasty little birds. Properly prepared of course with the right mix of spices and herbs.

 

[mindfulzen]

Forum threads are conversations, and this is how conversations work. You started talking about plot holes in a science fiction movie and I mentioned another kind of plot hole that frequently pops up in some kinds of science fiction movies.

But if you insist on talking ONLY about the chickens and NO OTHER PLOT HOLES IN ANY OTHER MOVIE EVER...

Did they say the chickens were awake for the whole time? Could the chickens have also been in cryosleep? Chickens are durable little birds. If complex, fragile humans can endure cryosleep I'm sure chickens would survive it.

I do not insist anything. No dictator. I just wanted to know what people assume about chickens and plants tending themselves when the humans are in cryosleep. People might have suggested that they have a rolling dutysystems, and one wakes up every month to act as a vet for the chickens and weed the plants. Or some sort of robot doing it. The thing is, this would be a 10/10 movie without any falws at all if this was covered. I think they should do a remake.

Very interesting plot, the species that can act as biomats and hide in plain sight among the humans, must be very wise indeed. So why are they constructing eastern europe 1500 th century style villages, that house robots who run primitive farms old school style. Is it some sort of ecologything and clean food hype? Do the hippies run the robots? Is it an experiment. Have they replicated old earth times on another planet, to watch how the human explorers will scratch their heads while pondering finding this replica. Simply a psychological study. If so, why did the biomat have be so brutal, and throw one of the crewmember into the garbadgedisposal before the movie started? Would think they could capture him and have him locked up on the planet in one of those buildings instead. Bit spolier there, the biomat was not a woman. And the woman who was the deceased persons girlfriend had been sleeping with the biomat, so she had a meltdown. Imagine that your spouse has been put through a garbagdegrinder, and is spread into outer space, and then that you have been sleeping with the biomat after that, which killed your spouse, and is not a living thing even. Just a technical device with a conciousness, that can just selfdestruct, so there is no need for a fight after they figure it out. Such a nice ending, no violence, just understanding and a calm conversation.

No, the chicken was not in crysleep. They left the cryochairs after waking up, and walked straight to the chicken and vegetable room, and grabbed some eggs and greens, and made breakfast. They were hungry after sleeping so deep and long.

 

[Lynx]

Stasis. Besides being durable, chickens are tasty little birds. Properly prepared of course with the right mix of spices and herbs.

Not stasis. Deepsleep. The movie was from the '70s and they didn't use stasis in fiction back then. They usually used something like a combination of drugs and freezing as the "stop aging during long space travel" plot device.

 

[mindfulzen]

Not stasis. Deepsleep. The movie was from the '70s and they didn't use stasis in fiction back then. They usually used something like a combination of drugs and freezing as the "stop aging during long space travel" plot device.

Just checked it. It is called supervised hibernation. Lying in some recliner type chairs built into a round module, with seatbeslts. Some sort of satelite dish is place over their heads, when that is retracted they wake up. So does not appear to be drugs after they fall a sleep. But a hangover like with sleeping pill. Guess it is electromagnetism or some sort of electrick hibernationdevice run by a computer. That would also logically create such a sensation.

 

[mindfulzen]

Another important newsflash regarding the plot. The biomat appeared as a faceless and featureless black silouette, so it had to take a human shape to emulate. I still do not know why it had to kill the one it shapeshifted to, unless it took over that body like a demon posessing a human, and it mangled it's husk. But of course, then the selfdestruct feature would not work, so not plausible. I think I will watch it again tonight, the more I watch it, the more questions appear. And the last time I watched it, I had skipped past the progogue, which had a narrative. I thought it was just som timewasting visuals of the spaceship wandering through space. This was important information before watching such a movie.

ps. The women do know genderroles and do the cooking, and that is the first they do after waking up. But also strongwilled, rebellious, going against orders and exploring an unidentified ship that they are instructed to wait with. And there is also a dog who appears, who have been living unsupervised alone for a year, and is not very surprised over the humans waking up. not very enthusiastic about them returning. Least interested dog I ever saw, most dogs make a bigger fuzz after people coming home from the store

 

[Genipher]

I got something even more puzzling.

Think about all the zombie movies you have seen. Think about all the shots of a family running from zombies, across a neighborhood, running over... perfectly mowed lawns...

Who is keeping all the grass cut so precisely during a zombie apocalypse?!

I've often wondered, in these types of movies or "apocalyptic" movies, how it is that women have time, energy, or the resources to shave?

When I watched the movie Waterworld with my grandma yeeeears ago, she kept asking, "Where'd the bad guys get their unlimited supply of cigarettes?" The whole premise of the movie was that the current inhabitants of the world couldn't find land and lived on a world of water. Dirt was like gold. So where'd they get tobacco?

 

[Lynx]

I've often wondered, in these types of movies or "apocalyptic" movies, how it is that women have time, energy, or the resources to shave?

When I watched the movie Waterworld with my grandma yeeeears ago, she kept asking, "Where'd the bad guys get their unlimited supply of cigarettes?" The whole premise of the movie was that the current inhabitants of the world couldn't find land and lived on a world of water. Dirt was like gold. So where'd they get tobacco?

No, no, NO! The dictator mindfulzen requires we ONLY talk about that one specific movie's plot holes.

 

[Genipher]

No, no, NO! The dictator mindfulzen requires we ONLY talk about that one specific movie's plot holes.

Soooo...how did all those chickens get so much tobacco? And how do they find the time to shave those talons of theirs? 🤔

Oh, wait. Are we only supposed to talk about the one movie? Because I never saw those fowl.

 

[Genipher]

Another important newsflash regarding the plot. The biomat appeared as a faceless and featureless black silouette, so it had to take a human shape to emulate. I still do not know why it had to kill the one it shapeshifted to, unless it took over that body like a demon posessing a human, and it mangled it's husk. But of course, then the selfdestruct feature would not work, so not plausible. I think I will watch it again tonight, the more I watch it, the more questions appear. And the last time I watched it, I had skipped past the progogue, which had a narrative. I thought it was just som timewasting visuals of the spaceship wandering through space. This was important information before watching such a movie.

ps. The women do know genderroles and do the cooking, and that is the first they do after waking up. But also strongwilled, rebellious, going against orders and exploring an unidentified ship that they are instructed to wait with. And there is also a dog who appears, who have been living unsupervised alone for a year, and is not very surprised over the humans waking up. not very enthusiastic about them returning. Least interested dog I ever saw, most dogs make a bigger fuzz after people coming home from the store

Maybe the dog had gone wild after being alone so long?

Watched a TV series some years ago where 2 couples had to live like the pioneers for, I think it was, a year. The women quickly discovered it was much easier to be in charge of the kitchen, etc than try to plow fields with a horse.

So the gender roles doesn't surprise me. In fact, it would make a movie more believable.

 

[mindfulzen]

Soooo...how did all those chickens get so much tobacco? And how do they find the time to shave those talons of theirs? 🤔

Oh, wait. Are we only supposed to talk about the one movie? Because I never saw those fowl.

The concept, God gave you imagination and you can stand on a philosophers rock and contemplate spacefarming. Tend chicken and plants during cryosleep, replenishing on the farmplanet run by dumb robots, where you can just poach chicken and fodder. Because the robots are only programmed to cut grass, feed animals, and do primitive chores.

And the concept about biomats. Programmed molecules, with artificial intelligence, or maybe even a sentient conciousness from an alien race, being programmed into a black mass manifestation. That must be endprogrammed fully, by interacting with a humanbeing, taking it's form. Most likely AI, but this is not written in stone. It is not complicated, but this is not about silly zombiemovies. This relates to actual research in our time. For advanced scientific evolution, spacetravel, and to labcreate organs. And other ethical dilemmas.

Your comment regarding waterworld was on point, and that movie was terrible, impossible to finish for me. Endless plotholes and test in ignoring basic logic and reality. What was Kevin of Costner thinking by making such nonsense.