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JaumeJ

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Man procreates while our Father creates. Our ancestorage takes all back to Noah and from Noah back to Adam and from Adm to God.

We are descended from God, however we h went astray. He in His great Love provided His only Son to be propitiation for us each and all.

Praise God...........amen.
 

Webers.Home

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God is "A" Spirit.

According to John 4:24, God isn't "a" spirit, rather, He is spirit.

If you check the actual Greek of that passage you will find that there are no
Greek articles modifying "spirit" in that verse. Translators added the "a" to
make the text say what they think it ought to say. Caveat Lector.


Not at all. Here is how it works.

Note that my rebuttal did not disparage you by insinuating you need help
with the Bible. When people lead in with their comments like you do, they
are implying that they believe themselves infallible and speaking ex
cathedra; thus suggesting that folks who disagree are morons.

I highly recommend that you be a little more circumspect with your choice of
words lest some day you are forced to eat them. There's no shame in
making honest mistakes; the shame comes in speaking as if we have perfect
understanding.

It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble.
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
-- Mark Twain --
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According to John 4:24, God isn't "a" spirit, rather, He is spirit.
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You're bible version is in error.

Now, let me show you something that really matters, as your bible version does not care.
Lets find out if you will.

There are 2 Spirit,.....in the context of God vs Evil.

The Holy Spirit, vs the unclean Spirit, or the Demonic Spirit, or the unholy Spirit.

The Devil, who is the "god of this world"..... has a Spirit, and its the UN-HOLY Spirit........Demonic Spirit.

Whereas............God's Spirit is HOLY.....The HOLY Spirit.

Believe me when i tell you that if you have the Devil's spirit in you, you dont have the Holy Spirit in you.
See it?
See the 2 "spirits"?

Also, when Jesus was casting out the unclean spirit, (demonic), do you think He was casting out God's Holy Spirit?

So........Can you see that those are not the same Spirit ?????, or do you agree with your error bible version that God's holy Spirit and the Devil's unholy spirit are the SAME.

Listen......

When a bad bible version teaches that '"God is Spirit" instead of the Truth, which is..... God is "A" Spirit as you find in a REAL bible, then the bad bible version is not showing the distinction between God the HOLY Spirit, vs Satan the UNholy Spirit.

Do you see it?
You bible does not.

So, that is why a real bible says....>"God is A Spirit", vs...(God is spirit) as taught by error bible version which not make the distinction between holy spirit and unholy, and just says "God is spirit",.
So the ERROR BIBLE is making no clear distinction between God's Spirit and the UNHOLY Spirit.

See it?
That distinction is very important to teach correctly to CHRISTIANS as i just showed you.
Only use a bible that makes this. "A Spirit".... distinction, as if it got that wrong, it has gotten a lot more wrong.
 

Webers.Home

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You're bible version is in error.
Beware using that claim in your defense because more than one English
translation disagrees with your take on John 5:24, for example the NIV, the
NAS, the Catholic Bible, the ESV, and the RSV.

The literal, unedited Greek, says that God is spirit rather than a spirit. That's
a difficult statement to grasp; along with God is love. That one is difficult
too. It would be easier if it were said that God is loving instead of God is
love; but it is what it is.

Look Kidron, I'm not trying to snow you when I say that there are no Greek
articles modifying "spirit" in John 4:24. It's a fact that you can easily
research for yourself online.

And for Pete's sake stop asserting yourself as infallible and speaking ex
cathedra. We all make mistakes from time to time so I highly recommend
using language and grammar that allows you space to retreat and save your
dignity should it turn out you've been scammed by clever theories.
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ewq1938

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1» Was Jesus a Christian?
A Christian follows Christ, not literally walking but spiritually walking IN HIS TEACHINGS, what he believed in, the truths and depths he revealed.

Did Jesus practice what he preached ie: did he follow his own teachings? Of course.

Was Jesus Christ a Christian? Yes, the first one, the originator of it.
 

ewq1938

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Adam's body was created with immortality


Adam was created as a mortal. He was never immortal.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
 

ewq1938

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Actually not.

The first iniquity, would be found in the first to have iniquity, and that would be Lucifer, before he was cast out of heaven.
He wasn't cast out of heaven after his sin though. He had access to heaven seen in Job as well as 12. It is only after losing the war in heaven that he would be kicked out of heaven, never able to return. The passage even says he knows he has a short time so when he is kicked out, he has a short time to exist.
 

ewq1938

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He wasn't cast out of heaven after his sin though. He had access to heaven seen in Job as well as 12.
That was meant to be Revelation 12.
 
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[Jesus said john was elijah kidron ]but um i can't find that post. As John the Baptist was preaching and baptizing, the Pharisees sent a delegation to question him about his identity and ministry. ... Later, however, Jesus said of John the Baptist: “He is Elijah ” (Matt 11:14).Something about not being called christians?
 
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Beware using that claim
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Beware of allowing pride to resist learning anything, or hearing any truth... as this will keep you in the dark with your error bible.

fair warning.....
 
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he has a short time to exist.
Satan isn't going to die.
Currently He's the God of this world, until Christ comes back.
He's going to be released after the Millennial reign of Jesus, and eventually end up here......>"prepared for the devil and his angels".

Thats the "lake of fire".
 

JaumeJ

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Now that is a stretch. He has authority however he is not a god, this is not the attribute of any creature.
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When it is written, "I said you are gods but you shall die as men," this is from the term el, gods elohim, which does not stranslate in definition as we know the word, god. It simply means mighty ones. "I have said you are mighty ones, but you shal die like men."
 
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2» Was John the baptizer a Christian?

John missed the cut. Jesus didn't begin assembling the "my church"
predicted at Matt 16:18 till after John was executed.


In point of fact, Christianity didn't exist prior to Jesus' resurrection--
specifically before the day of Pentecost following that event.


The day of Pentecost kicked of an era characterized by the baptism of the
Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5 and 1Cor 12:12-13).


John was filled with the Spirit all his life, even prior to his birth (Luke 1:15).
But he wasn't baptized by the Spirit. This is a very, very important
technicality.
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I've heard many Biblical Scholars say that the Old Testament ended with John the Baptist, he was the last Prophet before Christ.
 

Webers.Home

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22» Why Is Death The Wages Of Sin?

It's my educated guess that the penalty is so severe because Man was
created in the image and likeness of God.

For example: according to Gen 9:5-6, murderers deserves capital
punishment-- not because murder is wrong pe se, rather --because the
image and likeness of God lends Man a degree of honor and dignity as near
the honor and dignity of God that a creature can possibly get.

Had God brought Man into existence as just another organic species like
meerkats, lobsters, chickens, and microbes; then Man's conduct would likely
be so insignificant in regard to justice as to not even be worth God's notice.
But the image and likeness of God magnifies Man's responsibly and thus
magnifies the consequences of his actions.

The image and likeness of God is definitely a status to be grateful for, but at
the same time, it's a status to fear.
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Webers.Home

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I've heard many Biblical Scholars say that the Old Testament ended with
John the Baptist, he was the last Prophet before Christ.

I think that's very likely true.

Matt 11:14 . . And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to
come.
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I am not sure either.

We know we are saved by grace through faith.
So I assume they were.
Yet I wonder about those who were under the law as to how they were saved.
There may be many who were not aware of the prophecies.
Yet there was a sacrificial system in place where sins covered under the law.
Study the dissension of the christ and remember abraham's bossom.
 

ewq1938

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Satan isn't going to die.

The bible says he will:

Heb_2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil ;

Even the devil will be destroyed.

Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

He will be devoured by fire, turned to ashes and shall never exist anymore. That's Annihilation.
 

ewq1938

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2» Was John the baptizer a Christian?

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

He was expecting the Christ to come so he is more of a transitional person living as an OT believer but also knowing the Christ would appear so that makes him a believer in Christ, a Christian.
 
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The bible says he will:

Heb_2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil ;
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Your verse is talking about the Cross.
Notice that the Devil is not dead?
He does not die, but his WORKS are destroyed.
 

Webers.Home

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23» Why Didn't God Execute Cain For Murder?

God couldn't haul Cain into court for killing his kid brother Abel because
according to Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17; the laws of
God aren't enforced ex post facto, i.e. they're not retroactive. Seeing as God
enacted no laws regulating murder until after the Flood; then it was too late
to indict Cain by means of Gen 9:5-6.

In other words; when there are no rules prohibiting a certain practice, then
no rules are broken when somebody does it.
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