KJV translators weren't KJV only!

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fredoheaven

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year 30 to 34 A.D. Spoken Word of God

year 47 to 95 A.D. the New Testament is Written

year 178 A.D. Codex Sinaiticus

year 1600's A.D. KJV



The Codex is basically put together 85 years after Revelation was written.

But the KJV is the TRUEST and MOST ACCURATE Bible :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::LOL::LOL::LOL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
Sinaiticus is not a complete Bible and it has many omissions. The Old Latin(150AD) is still nearer when the NT was written. Same with the Peshitta Bible of 157 AD. So It 's no really the question of antiquity. If this is right, KJV English is accurate than all modern english versions.
 
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No Christian is claiming that either the Joseph Smith "translation" or the "wicked Bible" are sound translations. The first is an intentional corruption; the second, an unintentional misprint. You're comparing apples to elephants.
No one?Then the Mormons are fake. As far as translations interpretation, it is of my opinion that we've all have rationalized at some point in life .... truth can be tough to accept..Like maybe we are fallen angles
 
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Sinaiticus is not a complete Bible and it has many omissions. The Old Latin(150AD) is still nearer when the NT was written. Same with the Peshitta Bible of 157 AD. So It 's no really the question of antiquity. If this is right, KJV English is accurate than all modern english versions.

I am not saying transcripts weren't being gathered and copied, but the Latin Vetus Latina was just a bunch of compilations in no particular order like the Vulgate was in line with the 2 Codex'

But i am a big fan of the Peshita and that lineage of Pharisee that were church forming around 70 A.D.
 

Dino246

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The simple solution to this apparent contradiction is that Ahaziah was physically 22 years old when he began to reign, but since God has appointed Jehu to cut off the house of Ahab, as a son of Ahab through marriage, he was 42 years old. The information is all there in the texts to the student of the word.
Here are the two passages for those unfamiliar with the issue:

2 Kings 8:26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2 Chronicles 22:2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

It's plain from the other details that these are talking about the same person.

The second text says plainly, "Forty and two years old". It does not say, "Forty and two years since (some other event)". Nowhere else in Scripture is the phrase, "x years old" used to mean something other than the number of years since a person's birth. Nobody reading the text would interpret it as anything other than a passage of time from the person's birth. If someone did say something like, "I was born in 1960; in 1970 I was 25 years old since the end of World War II", people would wonder at that person's intelligence and sanity.

While you can account for the numbers from a study of other passages, you cannot account for the wording without this convoluted and ridiculous explanation. You have to reject the plain text, and insert a comically nonsensical explanation, in order to defend your belief in the "perfection" of the KJV text.

Just admit defeat... the KJV is not perfect. Your life won't end, and since you lean on the faith of Christ and not your own, your relationship with God won't suffer.
 

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No one?Then the Mormons are fake. As far as translations interpretation, it is of my opinion that we've all have rationalized at some point in life .... truth can be tough to accept..Like maybe we are fallen angles
Mormons aren't fake, but their beliefs are false.

As to being fallen angles, please check your spelling before you post!
 

Dino246

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You will know if the theme of the KJV is off if you read through it for if there is problems you will detect it.
Like "Thou shalt not kill" in one place (Matthew 5:21), and "Thou shalt do no murder" in another (Matthew 19:18)?

People familiar with other translations can make the same claim; however, it is both objective and subjective.

But I am not KJV only for I am not against the new translations but I am saying I do not have a problem with it.
That's fine; nobody will fault you for that. Nobody faults the KJV-only folks simply for preferring the KJV, but rather for making ridiculous arguments in favour of it, and making ridiculous attacks on other translations.
 
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I really do not know that much about the KJV and new translations debate so I did not think about it until I came on Christian Chat.

I did not have a problem with KJV but maybe there is a problem.

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits so what I would like to know is do people that adhere to KJV only have higher holiness standards, or do the people that say newer translations have higher holiness standards.

Because there is more hypocrisy now than in the past but we hear of old time preaching in which they mainly used the KJV and they upheld holiness standards more than today.
 
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Mormons aren't fake, but their beliefs are false.

As to being fallen angles angels please check your spelling before you post!
Ok i am working on my spelling.I'm like Mike Tyson at a spelling b,,,Grammar is not my strong suite.
 

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I definitely agree Mark could have always been adding to what Peter was Teaching and Preaching.
It could've come from Peter himself. After all, it was Peter who famously wrote "baptism now saves you." (1 Peter 3:21) And Mark 16:16 says: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved. . ."
 
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I really do not know that much about the KJV and new translations debate so I did not think about it until I came on Christian Chat.

I did not have a problem with KJV but maybe there is a problem.

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits so what I would like to know is do people that adhere to KJV only have higher holiness standards, or do the people that say newer translations have higher holiness standards.

Because there is more hypocrisy now than in the past but we hear of old time preaching in which they mainly used the KJV and they upheld holiness standards more than today.
MattforJesus is seems to be a great fear to people that everyone is their own bible.After all scriptures do not say anything of them self.
 
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Ok i am working on my spelling.I'm like Mike Tyson at a spelling b,,,Grammar is not my strong suite.
We know what you mean for it is not hard to figure it out so no big deal.

It does not matter if you write automobile or awtoemoebeel we should know what you say.

Although we should have good spelling some people like to nit pick for that is how they are and it is usually to belittle them and act like they are something special.

They are not and God said if you think you are something when you are nothing you deceive yourself.
 

Dino246

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I really do not know that much about the KJV and new translations debate so I did not think about it until I came on Christian Chat.

I did not have a problem with KJV but maybe there is a problem.

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits so what I would like to know is do people that adhere to KJV only have higher holiness standards, or do the people that say newer translations have higher holiness standards.

Because there is more hypocrisy now than in the past but we hear of old time preaching in which they mainly used the KJV and they upheld holiness standards more than today.
It's difficult to make a fair comparison between social issues of "today" and any earlier time, because of the relative prevalence of communication tools. We simply didn't hear about the unholiness of earlier times like we do that of today. Also, if you want to look at "fruit", you must consider the bad along with the good: the era of reliance on the KJV also spawned the Mormons, the JW's, and many other pseudo-Christian cults, along with evolution and the age of enlightenment. I'd say the "fruit" argument is damning the KJV rather than lionizing it.
 
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We know what you mean for it is not hard to figure it out so no big deal.

It does not matter if you write automobile or awtoemoebeel we should know what you say.

Although we should have good spelling some people like to nit pick for that is how they are and it is usually to belittle them and act like they are something special.

They are not and God said if you think you are something when you are nothing you deceive yourself.
Thank you,But oh contraire! I like to think that we are snow flakes made by God in our own unique way.
 

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As I've said on other KJV threads:

I'm not KJV-only, or even KJV-preferred. But I do think the KJV is one of the best translations.

When I was much younger, I didn't realize there were other English translations available. The KJV was what I was raised on and taught from. I assumed it was the only English Bible out there.

As I got older, I found out that there were indeed other English translations. To be sure, I did wonder sometimes why some of the wording was different from the KJV, but I didn't automatically assume that those other translations were corrupt.

There are some versions I will stay away from, but by and large, the majority of English translations are doctrinally sound.

I like the KJV, NKJV, NIV (original). NLT and HCSB.

Many people have said that the ESV is a good translation, but I've never read it before.

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Dino246

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Although we should have good spelling some people like to nit pick for that is how they are and it is usually to belittle them and act like they are something special.
Why do you find it necessary to belittle others? Are you something special? Did I "act like I'm something special" in advising Rayzor to check his spelling? No.
 

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nitpickers abound on forums I suppose

KJV has been revised multiple times, there actually are REVISED versions, New revised standard version, New King James Versions, King James Bible 2000 versions, all based on the 1611 translation but updated.

Its like when you reprint the oxford dictionary or update the telephone directory, or have a new OS update for Mac.

Surely the new revised updates are ongoing.

the argument just seems to be like people quibbling over Windows or Mac. Stripped down to basics, serious Bible students are probably always going to gun for the original code. If they can decipher it.
 

fredoheaven

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I am not saying transcripts weren't being gathered and copied, but the Latin Vetus Latina was just a bunch of compilations in no particular order like the Vulgate was in line with the 2 Codex'

But i am a big fan of the Peshita and that lineage of Pharisee that were church forming around 70 A.D.
Btw, there has been reports that Sinaiticus is faked. Have you heard that?
 

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I really do not know that much about the KJV and new translations debate so I did not think about it until I came on Christian Chat.

I did not have a problem with KJV but maybe there is a problem.

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits so what I would like to know is do people that adhere to KJV only have higher holiness standards, or do the people that say newer translations have higher holiness standards.

Because there is more hypocrisy now than in the past but we hear of old time preaching in which they mainly used the KJV and they upheld holiness standards more than today.
What it comes down to in a nutshell is this: the KJV only view says that the KJV is the only Bible authorized by God Himself. Thus, they have a superior Bible; and consequently, have a superior understanding of God's word than other people.

It has nothing to do with holiness. In fact, the KJV only movement didn't really start till around 1930 with the publication of Our Authorized Bible Vindicated by a Seventh-Day Adventist named Benjamin G. Wilkinson. It could be argued that that holiness has taken a decided dive since the KJV only movement began.