The Parable of the Ten Virgins Explained

[Absolutely]

Also notice if you replace "oil" with "Holy Spirit" in the parable, then read the plain text, it doesn't really make sense. Again, a parable is a story used to give spiritual lessons. It requires interpretation.

Oil is consistant.
Ot has anointing oil in several places.

Do you actually think it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Holy Spirit???
Your position is that it CANNOT BE ANY CONNECTION.
That would be " condemnation PRIOR TO investigation."

The Holy Spirit in acts shows that the Holy Spirit is imparted one believer to another by laying on of hands.

The foolish virgins ask the wise virgins to impart the oil, the extra oil that they had and they said no, because there was not enough to go around.
so try and factor that dynamic in. it won't go away , it is there for everyone to see , the impartation dynamic is there concerning the Holy Spirit. Now factor in forgiveness, as if I can get forgiveness from another believer. Or test fit truth. Factor in truth and you will see that they lost truth somehow in the night.
there truth ran out.?
So no, it has to fit.
That is why before taking a position we need to check things out. We need to test fit things that we just assume, or dream up in our mind.

 

[Rondonmon]

SIMPLE TRUTH of the rapture TIMING = 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
After that,
we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

If you reject, bypass, or corrupt this CLEAR and SIMPLE STRAIGHT TRUTH = By the word of the LORD = you are in error.

Here is your biggest problem sir, you do not understand, it seems, Paul was the Pastor of all these Churches and he was dealing with many things you don't se because you never get to see the Thessalonian's actual letters to Paul. So try thinking it through, then cross-referencing scriptures. So, why did Paul try to assure these people that Jesus when he returned was going to bring their loved ones who had given their lives unto Christ but had died? Because that is what they were asking him, they feared their loved ones were lost forever because they had died. So, Paul tells them, IMHO, over the top, that their loved ones would come back with Jesus, why do I say over the top? I will show you via 1 Cor. 15. So, does Jesus bring these back with him, or does he meerly resurrect these people at the same time as he calls those of us who are alive home? Let's see....Paul goes over the top and tries to differentiate between the BLINK OF AN EYE !! WATCH

11 Cor. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood(Sin Flesh can not go to Heaven) cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery(Secret); We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible(SIN FLESH) must put on corruption(SPIRIT MAN), and this mortal must put on immortality.

Question, why is this TIMING so ard for you to grasp? It is VERY CLEAR that the dead will be RAISED at the same time that we are CHANGED, the mere difference in Paul's "TIMING" is the twinkling of an eye, LOL. Why even make this point o these people? Because Paul as a Pastor was trying to reassure these people that their loved ones would not be left in te grave when Jesus came for us (them at that time). So, is way over the top here trying to differentiate a mere moment in time (it's actually funny tbh). It is like me and my wife walking in the Gricery store and by left foot crosses the line first, you could say I entered a Blink of an eye before my wife if you so desire, but most people would simply say, we ended the store at te each sane time !! A pastors job is to reassure his flock, that is what Pau was doing, meanwhile, you take it to ectreems by saying HEY LOOK, it says right here in 1 Thess. 4 that Jesus will bring them back with him, well, it says right here in 1 Cor. 15 that we will all be raised at the EXACT SAME TIME (except for that for that foot that crosses the line), so to get technical, if they are raised a mere moment before we are Jesus does, I guess, technically bring them back with him, but it seems clear to me tat the Dead in Christ and the Living are all taken to Heaven via the Rapture at the exact same time. If you would take the time to cross-reference as I do, you may not get caught up in these situations.

But anything that confirms your belief is ACCEPTED, that is lazy Eschatology brother.

 

[Runningman]

Oil is consistant.
Ot has anointing oil in several places.

Do you actually think it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Holy Spirit???
Your position is that it CANNOT BE ANY CONNECTION.
That would be " condemnation PRIOR TO investigation."

The Holy Spirit in acts shows that the Holy Spirit is imparted one believer to another by laying on of hands.

The foolish virgins ask the wise virgins to impart the oil, the extra oil that they had and they said no, because there was not enough to go around.
so try and factor that dynamic in. it won't go away , it is there for everyone to see , the impartation dynamic is there concerning the Holy Spirit. Now factor in forgiveness, as if I can get forgiveness from another believer. Or test fit truth. Factor in truth and you will see that they lost truth somehow in the night.
there truth ran out.?
So no, it has to fit.
That is why before taking a position we need to check things out. We need to test fit things that we just assume, or dream up in our mind.

Acts 8:18-22 is a literal story of someone named Simon being told to repent and ask God for forgiveness for attempting to purchase the Holy Spirit with money. In the parable of the ten virgins, the wise virgins tell the foolish virgins to go buy more oil with money.

I find it hard to believe Jesus would ever use a literal or figurative story, where virgins are characterized as wise, telling others to effectually go sin. That doesn't make sense to me. The oil cannot possibly be Holy Spirit. Just doesn't work.

 

[DavidTree]

This will go in one ear and out the other, or like most of you, you will ignore it and make the same illogical statement 1000 more times, but here goes (cover your eyes and say, na na na na na na na na na na na na).

The Church is CLEARLY SEEN in heaven BEFORE the Seals are ever opened by Jesus during the 70th week.

Rev. 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Rev. 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev. 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Rev. 4:1 is THE RAPTURE, the Feast of Trumps always ended the Summer Harvest (Church Age) thus the LAST TRUMP is not a Revelation Judgment, it is the Trumpet of Jesus ending the Church Age Harvest of souls by saying come up here........ Thus Jesus sounds like a Trumpet, which means he ends the Rapture by calling the Church up to heaven.

Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Now we get to see the Church in Heaven BEFORE the Seals are ever opened by Jesus !!

Rev. 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Why is this so hard to decipher for you post-trib or mid-trib guys? Rev. 2:10, Rev. 3:5, and 3:21 all three describe the OVERCOMERS who are Faithful unto death !!

Rev. 1 is Jesus as seen in all of his Glory by the Disciple (The things which you HAVE SEEN)

Rev. 2 is Jesus speaking unto the 7 Churches and 7 always equals completion, thus the 7 Churches = The Church Age or the full 2000 some odd year Church Age period we are in now (The things WHICH ARE)

Rev. 4:1 states it very clearly for you if you will LISTEN !! Jesus said come up here and I will show you the things WHICH MUST BE HEREAFTER. (Meaning the 70th-week Judgments soon to fall on mankind AFTER the Rapture)

Why is this so hard to decipher? Because you already (think) you know everything but you don't. And that's no slap at anyone, God specifically chastised me about 5 years ago when I asked in prayer, after 30 years of service, why Lord are there so many interpretations of the 144,000, the Harlot, Babylon, the Beast, etc., etc. I got this from the Holy Spirit "Ron, you guys already know it all" So, don't go all overboard, if the Lord can tell me we think we know it all, and that is why we, IN ESSENCE, can't receive or learn from God then it's not just about me but about the whole Church. I changed, now I do hear His voice in every instance because I do not ASSUME my old thoughts on anything are correct, I simply ask God to show me when anything is not clear, and He always does. We can affirm this again in Rev. 5:9, we see the Church in Heaven and they sing Worthy is the Lamb to OPEN the Sealed Scroll, and that he has REDEEMED US BY HIS BLOOD !!

Rev. 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

So, the Church is seen here IN HEAVEN, just before Jesus opens the 7 Sealed Scroll of Judgments. And no one is in Heaven until the Rapture, 1 Cor. 15 CLEARY STATES that the Dead in Christ ARISE at the Rapture, and we who are alive are then CHANGED and then we all go to Heaven to be with the Lord. Those seen in Rev. 7 can not be Martyrs from the 70th-week tribulation, because no one who dies during the 70th week will go unto Heaven, they remain on earth and are raised up at Jesus' Second Coming, so says the Scriptures, SO................ those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 are the Raptured Church, they can not be the 70th-week Martyrs, and I can PROVE IT !! With Scriptures.

Below is where many of you make your fatal mistake, something I stopped doing because now I realize God wants to teach us IF we stop thinking we already know it all (we don't). Thus anytime something doesn't fully jibe, don't just accept it as TRUTH, ask God to show you in full because God gives us NO CONTRADICTIONS, we create them.

Rev. 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

So, people see this above and just ASSUME (WRONGLY) that these people seen here came out f the 70th-week tribulation that is called GREAT here, but when we put it all together, the bible states EMPHATICALLY that this can not be true, so something had to give, so instead of just accepting the NORM, I asked God why the Contradiction. And by looking for the REASONINGS instead of just accepting this as factual, I got the answer. Here are the verses that show these people CAN NOT be from the 70th-week Great Tribulation.

The 5th Seal

Rev. 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

So, those Martyrs killed during the 70th week want VENGEANCE on those people still living ON EARTH who killed them during this 70th week Anti-Christ reign, but Jesus gives them their White Robes and tells them to be patient, they MUST WAIT, until ALL of their fellow brothers have been killed in like manner as they were (by this Anti-Christ Beast who has 42 months of rule over this earth and the saints, to do as he so pleases). So, those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 CAN NOT be those Martyrs seen here, they MUST WAIT until the Beasts rule is over sir. Want more proof? See BELOW:

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So, those who are Martyred during the 70th-week are judged when? After the Second Coming. and they specifically REIGN on this earth with Jesus for 1000 years !! So, according to the 5th Seal AND this Rev. 20:4 scripture, those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 CAN NOT be any of the 70th-week Martyrs !! So, how can that be? Why the contraction? Because we men caused this SNAFU by mandating that God can only use the word GREAT as an adjective on ONE THING, the 70th-week tribulation, God can't describe the 2000 some odd yer Church Age as GREATER in length than the 7 Year or 70th week tribulation, no, we as men can not allow God to describe anything as GREAT except the 70th week, LOL. This is why people can't see God's full truths, as He (Holy Spirit) explained this to me.

Those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 can only be from the 2000 some odd year GREAT TRIBULATION PERIOD is in 2000>7 as in 2000 years is greater than 7 years, in spite of men's protestations, that is a FACTOID. That actually FITS, those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 being from the 70th week DOS NOT NOT FIT, as I have shown, now people can close their eyes and say na na na na na all they want to, I am correct on this because I rooted out the truth via the guidance of the Holy Spirit. But of course, if it makes MEN WRONG....by all means, na na na na na I see NOTHING NOTHING !!

ALL these Scriptures are YAY and AMEN

The Saints who have died in the Lord are the Ones we see throughout Revelation.

Then when we reach chapter 20 we find the Resurrection of the Just. Just as it says in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

Not a Day BEFORE

 

[DavidTree]

Here is your biggest problem sir, you do not understand, it seems, Paul was the Pastor of all these Churches and he was dealing with many things you don't se because you never get to see the Thessalonian's actual letters to Paul. So try thinking it through, then cross-referencing scriptures. So, why did Paul try to assure these people that Jesus when he returned was going to bring their loved ones who had given their lives unto Christ but had died? Because that is what they were asking him, they feared their loved ones were lost forever because they had died. So, Paul tells them, IMHO, over the top, that their loved ones would come back with Jesus, why do I say over the top? I will show you via 1 Cor. 15. So, does Jesus bring these back with him, or does he meerly resurrect these people at the same time as he calls those of us who are alive home? Let's see....Paul goes over the top and tries to differentiate between the BLINK OF AN EYE !! WATCH

11 Cor. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood(Sin Flesh can not go to Heaven) cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery(Secret); We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible(SIN FLESH) must put on corruption(SPIRIT MAN), and this mortal must put on immortality.

Question, why is this TIMING so ard for you to grasp? It is VERY CLEAR that the dead will be RAISED at the same time that we are CHANGED, the mere difference in Paul's "TIMING" is the twinkling of an eye, LOL. Why even make this point o these people? Because Paul as a Pastor was trying to reassure these people that their loved ones would not be left in te grave when Jesus came for us (them at that time). So, is way over the top here trying to differentiate a mere moment in time (it's actually funny tbh). It is like me and my wife walking in the Gricery store and by left foot crosses the line first, you could say I entered a Blink of an eye before my wife if you so desire, but most people would simply say, we ended the store at te each sane time !! A pastors job is to reassure his flock, that is what Pau was doing, meanwhile, you take it to ectreems by saying HEY LOOK, it says right here in 1 Thess. 4 that Jesus will bring them back with him, well, it says right here in 1 Cor. 15 that we will all be raised at the EXACT SAME TIME (except for that for that foot that crosses the line), so to get technical, if they are raised a mere moment before we are Jesus does, I guess, technically bring them back with him, but it seems clear to me tat the Dead in Christ and the Living are all taken to Heaven via the Rapture at the exact same time. If you would take the time to cross-reference as I do, you may not get caught up in these situations.

But anything that confirms your belief is ACCEPTED, that is lazy Eschatology brother.

I read your opening statement and bust out laughing - THANK YOU for the free laughter

Anyways, when i get back i will read the rest of what you said - Gotta Go now - PEACE

 

[Runningman]

That is talking about people who are physically awake but spiritually asleep. It is not a reference to literal sleeping which all humans must have.

I agree it isn't talking about physically sleeping, but I doubt it's spiritually sleeping either.

Romans 13:11 is directed toward believers who are awaiting their salvation. They are encouraged to stop sleeping. Believers are not spiritually asleep. Believing in Christ and awaiting salvation is the height of spiritual wokeness.

Sleeping has to do with lukewarmness. A lukewarm Christian is someone who has not blatantly denied Christ, but isn't exactly living for Christ either. Being lukewarm is a sin. Sleeping is about sin, specifically the sin of lukewarmness. I don't remember who said it in this thread, but the five foolish virgins were lukewarm.

Romans 13:11
11And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

 

[Runningman]

In my opinion, this is about Circumcision of the Heart, the Core Doctrine of the entire Bible:

The five foolish virgins were “said” Christians. They Truly believed (in their hearts) that they were True Children of the Lord. We know this, for they were calling out to the Lord, that He would open His door to them. They were essentially speaking of how they felt they were in a right relationship with Him . . . though they were not. Why? It is because they were not taught the Truth, which is that of Spiritual Circumcision. They were not taught (by their false teachers) that they needed to Turn to Christ for the Lifting of the Sinful Nature.

Ultimately, their hearts were not Circumcised by Christ . . . this is what it means to be “known” by Christ.

Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT - 11 "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature." ... 13 "You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."

I have come to appreciate this comment since I first read it over a week ago. Would you say the five foolish virgins were considered lukewarm?

 

[Rondonmon]

What did the 144k repent of?
Where did you find that?

Rev 14 is in no way 1 thes 4.
In no way.

I didn't say they were Raptured with the Gentile Church (though some Jews will be) and thus they are not seen in 1 Thess. 4 at all. What I am saying, and have said, is that the 144,00 like the Woman in Rev. 12 is a CODE for ALL Israel who repents, nothing more and nothing less. You accept that the Woman in Rev. 12 stands for Israel, right? So does the 144,000, that is my whole point, why is it so hard for people to not grasp that both are referencing Israel who repents. 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 or Fulness x Completeness. ALL Israel. They key my brother is where we see these 144,000 at in these scriptures, and what Gid tells the angel, watch this.

The Seals (entertain this thought so you can add it up, don't accept it until you understand it) are not Judgment Actions by God, they are Jesus in Heaven opening the Judgment Scrolls and FORETELLI NG what these Judgmenrs will bring when he finally takes the LAST SEAL (Lock) off te Judgment Scroll. Nothing can be read until all 7 Seals have been taken off, so Jesus simply prophesies what is about to hit mankind with each Seal he removes. Thus everything fits much easier:

Seals 1-4 are al te SANE MAN (Anti-Christ) and HIS ACTIONS over a 42 month period of time 1.) He Conquers 2.) He brings Wars (takes away his original FAKE PEACE) 3.) His WArs bring FAMINE 4.) His rule brings Sickness/Death/Grave. All of this happens over his 42 month period of rule.

Seal #5 is the same mand Rule, but these are his Martyrs of the Saints over that 42 month rule via this tyrant Beast.

Seal #6 is different, this is Jesus opening up the6th Seal and Prophesying that God's Wrath is about to fall on mankind (see the Rev. 8 Asteroid). This Wrath will last 42 months, but the key to understanding everything is that this Anti-Christ hears Satan's voice (Dan. 8:23, he hears Dark Sentences or understands riddles) and thus SAtan will tell him, Pssttt, WAIT for God's Wrath to fall, WAIT............WAIT...........WAIT, God will take out Gog and Magog first or Russia, Turkey, and Iran when they attack Israel, but now when God's Wrath finally falls, 1/3 of this world will ve destroyed by an Asteroid Impact. Amidst this chaos, this man will ATTACK Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, the Pacific Realm Nations will henceforth not be a factor anymore, IMHO, the USA will literally be wiped out.

So, the 1/3 is not so much (IMHO) the number of things that will be destroyed (it is) BUT te 1/3 perfectly describes where this asteroid will strike. The Pacific Ocean has exactly 1/3 of all the waters on this earth, AND the two Anercas combined have exactly 1/3 of all the Landmass on this earth, when I looked that up it started me, LOL. (Even me). Thus, this evil man simply WAITS until God's Wrath falls, then he goes forth conquering amidst this chaos, it will strengthen his hand AND catch many other nations off guard. This is why the 42 months of Gods Wrath and this Anti-Christ/Beasts 42-month rule PARALLEL EXACTLY !! And this is also why we see Seal #7 over in Rev. chapter 8, the Judgments only start once all 7 Seals are off the Scroll !!

Now, understanding that, whether you accept it or not look at Rev. 7 and the 144,000, we would be seeing them WHEN if all of this is true? Right after 6 of the Seals have been opened but JUST BEFORE the 7th Seal is opened and Judgment falls on this earth. So, knowing this let's see if the Scriptures in Rev. 7 IMPLY what I am saying.

Rev. 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (Get it? Trumps do what?)

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

So, these are not Super Preaches, these are the Jews Fleeing Judea, they are SEALED when they give their lives to Christ Jesus and escape from Judea unto the Petra/Bozrah sheepfold area where God Himself will protect them like He did the Desert/Egypt. So, God here clearly implies that He will HOLD BACK the Wrath until these 144,000 (ALL Israel who repents) are in the SAFE ZONE after they have repented or have been sealed by Jesus' blood). Only when one gets that the SEALS are not Judgments can they finally see HEY, that is the Jews (144,000) fleeing from Judea unto Petra right before God's Wrath falls (Rev. 8). Then we see the Church in Heaven who were raptured in Rev. 7:9-17 and the next chapter starts God's Wrath, AFTER the Jews flee Judea and God PROTECTS (Seals) them. Hold back the Four Wins until the Jews are protected in Petra, then allow the Asteroid to strike the earth in Rev. 8 !! And what does the Rev. 8 Mountain/Asteroid hurt? The Earth, Sea, and the TREES !!

the 144k are firstfruits.
That is factored into it.

There are Firstfruits to every Harvest. The Barley has a First-fruits (Gentile Church) as does the Wheat (Israel or te 144,000). The Church who are raptured Pre Trib is the Barley, we do not need to be CRUSHED in order to be sifted. On the other hand, the Wheat needs to be CRUSHED in order to be sifted, thus both are Firstfruits to each grain.

 

[DavidTree]

Here is your biggest problem sir, you do not understand, it seems, Paul was the Pastor of all these Churches and he was dealing with many things you don't se because you never get to see the Thessalonian's actual letters to Paul. So try thinking it through, then cross-referencing scriptures. So, why did Paul try to assure these people that Jesus when he returned was going to bring their loved ones who had given their lives unto Christ but had died? Because that is what they were asking him, they feared their loved ones were lost forever because they had died. So, Paul tells them, IMHO, over the top, that their loved ones would come back with Jesus, why do I say over the top? I will show you via 1 Cor. 15. So, does Jesus bring these back with him, or does he meerly resurrect these people at the same time as he calls those of us who are alive home? Let's see....Paul goes over the top and tries to differentiate between the BLINK OF AN EYE !! WATCH

11 Cor. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood(Sin Flesh can not go to Heaven) cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery(Secret); We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible(SIN FLESH) must put on corruption(SPIRIT MAN), and this mortal must put on immortality.

Question, why is this TIMING so ard for you to grasp? It is VERY CLEAR that the dead will be RAISED at the same time that we are CHANGED, the mere difference in Paul's "TIMING" is the twinkling of an eye, LOL. Why even make this point o these people? Because Paul as a Pastor was trying to reassure these people that their loved ones would not be left in te grave when Jesus came for us (them at that time). So, is way over the top here trying to differentiate a mere moment in time (it's actually funny tbh). It is like me and my wife walking in the Gricery store and by left foot crosses the line first, you could say I entered a Blink of an eye before my wife if you so desire, but most people would simply say, we ended the store at te each sane time !! A pastors job is to reassure his flock, that is what Pau was doing, meanwhile, you take it to ectreems by saying HEY LOOK, it says right here in 1 Thess. 4 that Jesus will bring them back with him, well, it says right here in 1 Cor. 15 that we will all be raised at the EXACT SAME TIME (except for that for that foot that crosses the line), so to get technical, if they are raised a mere moment before we are Jesus does, I guess, technically bring them back with him, but it seems clear to me tat the Dead in Christ and the Living are all taken to Heaven via the Rapture at the exact same time. If you would take the time to cross-reference as I do, you may not get caught up in these situations.

But anything that confirms your belief is ACCEPTED, that is lazy Eschatology brother.

This is hilariously funny and comes from the error of pre-trib jibberish - THANK YOU again for the joy of making me laugh today.

For anyone in Christ who dies, two things occur:
#1 - Your physical body dies
#2 - Your spirit/soul goes directly to the LORD, in Heaven

We see these (physically dead) Saints in Heaven all throughout Revelation - 1 Thess 4:13-18 - they are with Christ - Rev ch7
After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb!”
And all the angels stood around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. And they fell facedown before the throne and worshiped God, saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”
Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

God brings with Christ the spirits of the Saints who are now in Heaven = 1 Thess 4:13-14

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

When the Fifth Seal is Completed, then the Saints mount up with Christ for His Coming - Revelation ch19

At His Coming the Resurrection takes place of the Saints whom Christ has brought with Him.
This occurs "in the twinkling of the eye" translates to "in a split second" = 1 Cor 15:50-58

Pure Unadulterated TRUTH - Simplicity in CHRIST - Wisdom of GOD

 

[Rondonmon]

Thanks dude!

That is spot on!!!

Every word true and similar to my own experience

The only problem with this (and she may be a fine woman of God, I didn't know er per se, have heard of her, glimpsed at her videos a wee bit) is she can't compare the two because Jesus only brought ack the Holy Spirit after his resurrection, so the FORMER (Baptism via the water) may have been a SHADOW of things to come and thus when we give our lives to Christ we receive the Holy Spirit right then and there and the "Water" Baptism just simply signifies our New Life in Christ Jesus, so both can be the same thing, the one-pointed unto the other coming. Just like the 7 Feasts were Shadows of things to come also.

Personally, I think the very moment we receive Christ Jesus we are Baptized with the Holy Spirit. The Water just signifies publicly what we have done.

 

[Rondonmon]

ALL these Scriptures are YAY and AMEN

The Saints who have died in the Lord are the Ones we see throughout Revelation.

Then when we reach chapter 20 we find the Resurrection of the Just. Just as it says in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

Not a Day BEFORE

WRONG, reread it, it says that ONLY THOSE who refused the Mark of the Best are Judged here, meaning you have to have lived through the 70th-week tribulation. Meanwhile, Rev. 4:4 SHOWS WITHOUT A DOUBT, the Church is in Heaven BEFORE the Seals are opened. Yiu will not ever win a debate with me on the Raptures timing because I know the facts sir and I can tie them to scriptures. That is another thing you gus do, you limit God to a TIEFTRAME fo Hid First Resurrection, If Bama plays a football game, the FIRST FOOTBALL GAME of the season, does it not have four different quarters? But yet Gid can only have ONE RESURRECTION TIME PERIOD, which is nonsensical, God can speak of two different resurrections whether humans can grasp that or not isn't His problem.

 

[Rondonmon]

I read your opening statement and bust out laughing - THANK YOU for the free laughter

Anyways, when i get back i will read the rest of what you said - Gotta Go now - PEACE

About the right speed, I expected from you, when you can't argue the facts, avoid them, then pretend you have to go, LOL.

 

[Rondonmon]

This is hilariously funny and comes from the error of pre-trib jibberish - THANK YOU again for the joy of making me laugh today.

For anyone in Christ who dies, two things occur:
#1 - Your physical body dies
#2 - Your spirit/soul goes directly to the LORD, in Heaven

Now show that to me in scriptures, because YU CAN'T, but I can show you where we are raised at the Rapture in 1 Cor 15. I can show you where Daniel is told he will stand in his lot at the VERY END. All you have is men's belief that we go straight to Heaven. It is not factual. The difference is I know the scriptures on these things and you follow what others have passed down. Abraham was in Paradise, the Theif on the cross was told you will be in Paradise this day, well, Jesus didn't go to Heaven, he went to a holding place for Souls called Paradise, and the Thief went there with him that very day. There were no Jews going straight to Heaven, and there will be o Gentiles who go straight to Heaven, that is just people who do n9t understand scriptures very well. These visions people see with near-death experiences is God showing them the FUTURE just like He showed John the FUTURE in a vision, no one s in Heaven now. But God lives in ALL TIME at once, thus God can show us this real future. We as humans do not live in all time at once, that is God's domain.

We see these (physically dead) Saints in Heaven all throughout Revelation - 1 Thess 4:13-18 - they are with Christ - Rev ch7
After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb!”
And all the angels stood around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. And they fell facedown before the throne and worshiped God, saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”
Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

No, you see the Raptured Church in Heaven because of the POINTS I made which you AVOID, these have overcome and are sitting amidst God's THRONE and these are said to be living in the HEREAFTER, meaning after the Church Age which is called the THINGS WHICH ARE.

You allow your wrong thought process on the Rapture to take you down a deep rabbit hole.

Via the scriptures. I EXPLICITLY SHOWED why those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 CAN NOT be from the 70th-week tribulation, avoid the truths all you want to, but you are only fooling yourself.

God brings with Christ the spirits of the Saints who are now in Heaven = 1 Thess 4:13-14

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

When the Fifth Seal is Completed, then the Saints mount up with Christ for His Coming - Revelation ch19

At His Coming the Resurrection takes place of the Saints whom Christ has brought with Him.
This occurs "in the twinkling of the eye" translates to "in a split second" = 1 Cor 15:50-58

Pure Unadulterated TRUTH - Simplicity in CHRIST - Wisdom of GOD

Wrong, you are clueless on Echatology, you ought to find something that fits your calling brother, you will be judged by God because even the Church is Judged by God, d not lead people down wrong paths sir.

 

[DavidTree]

WRONG, reread it, it says that ONLY THOSE who refused the Mark of the Best are Judged here, meaning you have to have lived through the 70th-week tribulation. Meanwhile, Rev. 4:4 SHOWS WITHOUT A DOUBT, the Church is in Heaven BEFORE the Seals are opened. Yiu will not ever win a debate with me on the Raptures timing because I know the facts sir and I can tie them to scriptures. That is another thing you gus do, you limit God to a TIEFTRAME fo Hid First Resurrection, If Bama plays a football game, the FIRST FOOTBALL GAME of the season, does it not have four different quarters? But yet Gid can only have ONE RESURRECTION TIME PERIOD, which is nonsensical, God can speak of two different resurrections whether humans can grasp that or not isn't His problem.

Where are the Saints who have died for the past 2000 years?

 

[DavidTree]

Now show that to me in scriptures, because YU CAN'T, but I can show you where we are raised at the Rapture in 1 Cor 15. I can show you where Daniel is told he will stand in his lot at the VERY END. All you have is men's belief that we go straight to Heaven. It is not factual. The difference is I know the scriptures on these things and you follow what others have passed down. Abraham was in Paradise, the Theif on the cross was told you will be in Paradise this day, well, Jesus didn't go to Heaven, he went to a holding place for Souls called Paradise, and the Thief went there with him that very day. There were no Jews going straight to Heaven, and there will be o Gentiles who go straight to Heaven, that is just people who do n9t understand scriptures very well. These visions people see with near-death experiences is God showing them the FUTURE just like He showed John the FUTURE in a vision, no one s in Heaven now. But God lives in ALL TIME at once, thus God can show us this real future. We as humans do not live in all time at once, that is God's domain.


No, you see the Raptured Church in Heaven because of the POINTS I made which you AVOID, these have overcome and are sitting amidst God's THRONE and these are said to be living in the HEREAFTER, meaning after the Church Age which is called the THINGS WHICH ARE.

You allow your wrong thought process on the Rapture to take you down a deep rabbit hole.

Via the scriptures. I EXPLICITLY SHOWED why those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 CAN NOT be from the 70th-week tribulation, avoid the truths all you want to, but you are only fooling yourself.



Wrong, you are clueless on Echatology, you ought to find something that fits your calling brother, you will be judged by God because even the Church is Judged by God, d not lead people down wrong paths sir.

How can i lead down the wrong path? I do not add or take away from Scripture

The very phrase 'pre-trib rapture' is man-made and never came out of the Mouth of God.

So how can you promote something that is not found in Scripture?

 

[DavidTree]

Now show that to me in scriptures, because YU CAN'T, but I can show you where we are raised at the Rapture in 1 Cor 15. I can show you where Daniel is told he will stand in his lot at the VERY END. All you have is men's belief that we go straight to Heaven. It is not factual. The difference is I know the scriptures on these things and you follow what others have passed down. Abraham was in Paradise, the Theif on the cross was told you will be in Paradise this day, well, Jesus didn't go to Heaven, he went to a holding place for Souls called Paradise, and the Thief went there with him that very day. There were no Jews going straight to Heaven, and there will be o Gentiles who go straight to Heaven, that is just people who do n9t understand scriptures very well. These visions people see with near-death experiences is God showing them the FUTURE just like He showed John the FUTURE in a vision, no one s in Heaven now. But God lives in ALL TIME at once, thus God can show us this real future. We as humans do not live in all time at once, that is God's domain.


No, you see the Raptured Church in Heaven because of the POINTS I made which you AVOID, these have overcome and are sitting amidst God's THRONE and these are said to be living in the HEREAFTER, meaning after the Church Age which is called the THINGS WHICH ARE.

You allow your wrong thought process on the Rapture to take you down a deep rabbit hole.

Via the scriptures. I EXPLICITLY SHOWED why those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 CAN NOT be from the 70th-week tribulation, avoid the truths all you want to, but you are only fooling yourself.



Wrong, you are clueless on Echatology, you ought to find something that fits your calling brother, you will be judged by God because even the Church is Judged by God, d not lead people down wrong paths sir.

Where are the Saints who have died for the past 2000 years?

 

[DavidTree]

About the right speed, I expected from you, when you can't argue the facts, avoid them, then pretend you have to go, LOL.

i am very glad to of met you - this is great

Where are the spirits of the Saints who have died in the Lord, right now?

 

[Absolutely]

The only problem with this (and she may be a fine woman of God, I didn't know er per se, have heard of her, glimpsed at her videos a wee bit) is she can't compare the two because Jesus only brought ack the Holy Spirit after his resurrection, so the FORMER (Baptism via the water) may have been a SHADOW of things to come and thus when we give our lives to Christ we receive the Holy Spirit right then and there and the "Water" Baptism just simply signifies our New Life in Christ Jesus, so both can be the same thing, the one-pointed unto the other coming. Just like the 7 Feasts were Shadows of things to come also.

Personally, I think the very moment we receive Christ Jesus we are Baptized with the Holy Spirit. The Water just signifies publicly what we have done.

The ones recieving the baptism in the Holy Spirit in acts were already saved....then recieved the baptism in tge Holy Spirit later

 

[Absolutely]

I believe the “oil” in this parable represents Truth, and Truth is the Word of God. ….and without the leading of the Holy Spirit, there is no understanding of the Truth.

I’m sure we all agree that one of the most talked about subjects today is the end times and all the events that surround them. ….but there really is no reason for us to be overly worried or anxious about these days because Jesus foretold that we would have to wait patiently for Him. The seven seals are given to Jesus' followers in Mark 13, Matthew 24, and Luke 21, and they are also recounted in the Book of Revelation. They are the signs that this age is coming to an end. We will be foolish indeed "in that Day" if we do not understand these truths when there will be a hunger for the understanding and hearing of God's Word. It’s already happening!

Amos 8:11 "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:"

Does not fit at all.
They ran out of truth in the night?

"Give us some of your truth"?
" ...no lest we not have enough truth for ourselves"
No way it fits

 

[Absolutely]

About the right speed, I expected from you, when you can't argue the facts, avoid them, then pretend you have to go, LOL.

You noticed that did you?