This will go in one ear and out the other, or like most of you, you will ignore it and make the same illogical statement 1000 more times, but here goes (cover your eyes and say, na na na na na na na na na na na na).
The Church is CLEARLY SEEN in heaven BEFORE the Seals are ever opened by Jesus during the 70th week.
Rev. 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Rev. 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev. 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev. 4:1 is THE RAPTURE, the Feast of Trumps always ended the Summer Harvest (Church Age) thus the LAST TRUMP is not a Revelation Judgment, it is the Trumpet of Jesus ending the Church Age Harvest of souls by saying come up here........ Thus Jesus sounds like a Trumpet, which means he ends the Rapture by calling the Church up to heaven.
Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Now we get to see the Church in Heaven BEFORE the Seals are ever opened by Jesus !!
Rev. 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
Why is this so hard to decipher for you post-trib or mid-trib guys? Rev. 2:10, Rev. 3:5, and 3:21 all three describe the OVERCOMERS who are Faithful unto death !!
Rev. 1 is Jesus as seen in all of his Glory by the Disciple (The things which you HAVE SEEN)
Rev. 2 is Jesus speaking unto the 7 Churches and 7 always equals completion, thus the 7 Churches = The Church Age or the full 2000 some odd year Church Age period we are in now (The things WHICH ARE)
Rev. 4:1 states it very clearly for you if you will LISTEN !! Jesus said come up here and I will show you the things WHICH MUST BE HEREAFTER. (Meaning the 70th-week Judgments soon to fall on mankind AFTER the Rapture)
Why is this so hard to decipher? Because you already (think) you know everything but you don't. And that's no slap at anyone, God specifically chastised me about 5 years ago when I asked in prayer, after 30 years of service, why Lord are there so many interpretations of the 144,000, the Harlot, Babylon, the Beast, etc., etc. I got this from the Holy Spirit "Ron, you guys already know it all" So, don't go all overboard, if the Lord can tell me we think we know it all, and that is why we, IN ESSENCE, can't receive or learn from God then it's not just about me but about the whole Church. I changed, now I do hear His voice in every instance because I do not ASSUME my old thoughts on anything are correct, I simply ask God to show me when anything is not clear, and He always does. We can affirm this again in Rev. 5:9, we see the Church in Heaven and they sing Worthy is the Lamb to OPEN the Sealed Scroll, and that he has REDEEMED US BY HIS BLOOD !!
Rev. 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
So, the Church is seen here IN HEAVEN, just before Jesus opens the 7 Sealed Scroll of Judgments. And no one is in Heaven until the Rapture, 1 Cor. 15 CLEARY STATES that the Dead in Christ ARISE at the Rapture, and we who are alive are then CHANGED and then we all go to Heaven to be with the Lord. Those seen in Rev. 7 can not be Martyrs from the 70th-week tribulation, because no one who dies during the 70th week will go unto Heaven, they remain on earth and are raised up at Jesus' Second Coming, so says the Scriptures, SO................ those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 are the Raptured Church, they can not be the 70th-week Martyrs, and I can PROVE IT !! With Scriptures.
Below is where many of you make your fatal mistake, something I stopped doing because now I realize God wants to teach us IF we stop thinking we already know it all (we don't). Thus anytime something doesn't fully jibe, don't just accept it as TRUTH, ask God to show you in full because God gives us NO CONTRADICTIONS, we create them.
Rev. 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
So, people see this above and just ASSUME (WRONGLY) that these people seen here came out f the 70th-week tribulation that is called GREAT here, but when we put it all together, the bible states EMPHATICALLY that this can not be true, so something had to give, so instead of just accepting the NORM, I asked God why the Contradiction. And by looking for the REASONINGS instead of just accepting this as factual, I got the answer. Here are the verses that show these people CAN NOT be from the 70th-week Great Tribulation.
The 5th Seal
Rev. 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
So, those Martyrs killed during the 70th week want VENGEANCE on those people still living ON EARTH who killed them during this 70th week Anti-Christ reign, but Jesus gives them their White Robes and tells them to be patient, they MUST WAIT, until ALL of their fellow brothers have been killed in like manner as they were (by this Anti-Christ Beast who has 42 months of rule over this earth and the saints, to do as he so pleases). So, those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 CAN NOT be those Martyrs seen here, they MUST WAIT until the Beasts rule is over sir. Want more proof? See BELOW:
Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
So, those who are Martyred during the 70th-week are judged when? After the Second Coming. and they specifically REIGN on this earth with Jesus for 1000 years !! So, according to the 5th Seal AND this Rev. 20:4 scripture, those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 CAN NOT be any of the 70th-week Martyrs !! So, how can that be? Why the contraction? Because we men caused this SNAFU by mandating that God can only use the word GREAT as an adjective on ONE THING, the 70th-week tribulation, God can't describe the 2000 some odd yer Church Age as GREATER in length than the 7 Year or 70th week tribulation, no, we as men can not allow God to describe anything as GREAT except the 70th week, LOL. This is why people can't see God's full truths, as He (Holy Spirit) explained this to me.
Those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 can only be from the 2000 some odd year GREAT TRIBULATION PERIOD is in 2000>7 as in 2000 years is greater than 7 years, in spite of men's protestations, that is a FACTOID. That actually FITS, those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 being from the 70th week DOS NOT NOT FIT, as I have shown, now people can close their eyes and say na na na na na all they want to, I am correct on this because I rooted out the truth via the guidance of the Holy Spirit. But of course, if it makes MEN WRONG....by all means, na na na na na I see NOTHING NOTHING !!