Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

justbyfaith

Well-known member
Sep 16, 2021
4,707
462
83
You're the one who can't answer the simple question.

"When have Christians ever been under the Law of Moses???"
Was Paul the apostle a Christian?

Read 1 Corinthians 9:21 for the answer to your question.

You don't want to read the scriptures that I reference, that is not my problem.

But the answer to your question is right in front of you if you will read it in your Bible.

Here are a few more.

Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6.

You can find the answers if you will do your homework.

But if you will not do your homework, I doubt that actually quoting the scriptures in question is going to be able to convince you; even though they are indisputable proof texts of what I am speaking of.
 

justbyfaith

Well-known member
Sep 16, 2021
4,707
462
83
We are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21) as believers, as concerning obedience...

See also,

(Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

As concerning condemnation, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6).

See also,

(Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19, Galatians 3:25, Galatians 5:18).

I encourage the reader to be a Berean (Acts 17:10-11) and study out the scriptures that I have referenced.

I believe that it will be to your edification if you memorize these scriptures with their references in the context that I have placed them in.
 

BroTan

Active member
Sep 16, 2021
898
161
43
The plan of God (for salvation) has nothing to do with worshiping God on Saturday.
The plan of God is outlined in Leviticus chapter 23. When we begin to read this chapter we will find the Lord's weekly Sabbath and also the Lord's High and Holy Days. Each High Day has a very important meaning, and if you are familiar with them you simply know the plan of God. These Holydays represent the future and present time, and are a shadow of good things to come, meaning some of these Holy Days have no came yet.
 

justbyfaith

Well-known member
Sep 16, 2021
4,707
462
83
The plan of God is outlined in Leviticus chapter 23. When we begin to read this chapter we will find the Lord's weekly Sabbath and also the Lord's High and Holy Days. Each High Day has a very important meaning, and if you are familiar with them you simply know the plan of God. These Holydays represent the future and present time, and are a shadow of good things to come, meaning some of these Holy Days have no came yet.
What is the plan of God for salvation as it is laid out in Leviticus 23?
 

BroTan

Active member
Sep 16, 2021
898
161
43
What is the plan of God for salvation as it is laid out in Leviticus 23?
Let's deal with just one Holy Day and see if you will believe in the scriptures and Testimony. Now let’s return to Leviticus 23 and pick up the next High and Holy Day, this is Pentecost.

Leviticus 23:9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest unto the priest: 11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. When you come into the land and reap the harvest you shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits to the priest and he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted. Before anyone could partake of it the Lord had to accept it first. Leviticus 23:12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD. This should sound familiar. Notice what was to be offered? A he lamb without blemish or a perfect lamb and it also had to be the first born. Leviticus 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. You are not to partake of anything until the Lord accepts the offering. This shall be a statute forever throughout your generations. Leviticus 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. After the priest waves the sheaf, which will fall on the weekly Sabbath (Saturday), you must count 7 Sabbaths, this equals 49 days. Once you arrive at the 7th Sabbath add the next day after and you will have the day of Pentecost, which always falls on Sunday. Pentecost simply means fifty. Leviticus 23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the first fruits unto the LORD.

Notice what the verse states, "two wave loaves they shall be baken with leaven". Seven weeks later we must have leaven? Remember the Feast of Unleavened Bread, we are not allowed to have leaven. This represents the first fruit from among men, or in other words the first resurrection. The reason leaven is evolve, there is no man born of women that has no sin. If we haven't committed a physical sin, we have committed some type of sin in our minds. No one is clean except Jesus that is why He is called the Holy One of Israel.

How long should we observe this day?

Leviticus 23:21 “And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” It shall be observed forever, no servile work shall be done on this day and you must have a holy gathering. These High and Holy Days are not a request, they are commandments. Let's go into Acts chapter 2 and see what day all of Israel was keeping when the spirit of God fell on the brethren and they were speaking their own language, but the other brothers from all over the known world understood them. Remember what you are about to read is after the death of Jesus. This will let you know we are still to observe these days. Pay close attention and see what Pentecost is about. Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. These Israelites weren't tarrying for the Holy Ghost. They were there observing the day of Pentecost. They were simply keeping the Law the Lord gave our forefathers in the wilderness. Thousands of years, later Peter and all the other Israelites that were present were simply keeping the Day of Pentecost. Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. This rushing mighty wind John chapter 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. (born of the spirit). Cloven tongues like as fire Psalms 104:4 “Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire

Let's continue.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Notice what it says Jews out of every nation. Why were they in Jerusalem? Because it was the Law. This Law is for everyone not only Israel, but for all the sons of Adam. One God One Law for all. Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marveled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Notice what's being said. The multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. They were all amazed and marveled. Why were they amazed? Because Peter and the Apostles were Galileans, and the entire multitude understood them when they spoke in their own language.

Let's continue.

Acts 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Notice it states, "We do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." No confusion, simply understanding.
Acts 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, “What meaneth this?” 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. 14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. Let's find out what the 50th day (Pentecost) is about.

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

Peter said this is what the Prophet Joel spoke about. This Prophecy will take place in the last days. We are in the last day’s sisters and brothers and this will take place not to far down in the future. Take a look at the 20th verse; it gives us a sign of the day of the Lord.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. 30 And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Joel and Peter were aware of this day. Now let's see what time this will take place. Let's go to Revelation the 6th chapter.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; What time will this take place? Peter said the Prophet Joel talked about this and they also said this is the day of the Lord. The day of Pentecost is more than just a regular day, it is the Day of the Lord's return.

Let's finish this chapter in Revelation.

Revelation 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

This is when Jesus will return and take the earth down by force. This will all take place in the year of Pentecost. Pentecost will be the year the Lord will return.
 

justbyfaith

Well-known member
Sep 16, 2021
4,707
462
83
These Israelites weren't tarrying for the Holy Ghost. They were there observing the day of Pentecost.
They were in fact tarrying for the Holy Ghost, as Jesus told them to do in Luke 24:49, Acts 1:8.
 

justbyfaith

Well-known member
Sep 16, 2021
4,707
462
83
This is when Jesus will return and take the earth down by force. This will all take place in the year of Pentecost. Pentecost will be the year the Lord will return.
Is this the plan of God for salvation or judgment?

I would contend that there is nothing in Leviticus 23 that shows forth the plan of God for salvation.

Because the sabbath day has nothing to do with salvation.

I would rather focus on what does save...faith in Jesus Christ...than on what doesn't save...one particular aspect of the law.

It should be clear that the law doesn't have the power to impart life.

Gal 3:21, Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
 

BroTan

Active member
Sep 16, 2021
898
161
43
Is this the plan of God for salvation or judgment?

I would contend that there is nothing in Leviticus 23 that shows forth the plan of God for salvation.

Because the sabbath day has nothing to do with salvation.

I would rather focus on what does save...faith in Jesus Christ...than on what doesn't save...one particular aspect of the law.

It should be clear that the law doesn't have the power to impart life.

Gal 3:21, Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

I knew you wouldn't understand, but I hoping I was wrong. Just like you keep post Paul talking about the animal sacrificial law. Well, here's Paul talking about the a different law in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.

(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

Two different laws you just can't understand and see, which brings to mind what Jesus says in Matthew 13: 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; And seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed;
Lest at any time they should see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And should understand with their heart, And should be converted, and I should heal them
.
 

TMS

Senior Member
Mar 21, 2015
3,945
1,268
113
Australia
Is this the plan of God for salvation or judgment?

I would contend that there is nothing in Leviticus 23 that shows forth the plan of God for salvation.

Because the sabbath day has nothing to do with salvation.

I would rather focus on what does save...faith in Jesus Christ...than on what doesn't save...one particular aspect of the law.

It should be clear that the law doesn't have the power to impart life.

Gal 3:21, Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
True the law does not bring righteousness..
The attitude does.

Does this mean that we make void the law by grace? Since the law cannot justify, should it be abolished by the believer? understanding the covenants establishes beyond any doubt that the law is just as important under the New as under the Old. Instead of being graven on stone, it is written in the heart. Instead of being fulfilled by us, it is fulfilled by Jesus in us. Instead of keeping the law in order to be saved, we keep it because we are saved. The same works of obedience are there, but they are there for a different reason and from a different motive.
 

justbyfaith

Well-known member
Sep 16, 2021
4,707
462
83
I knew you wouldn't understand, but I hoping I was wrong. Just like you keep post Paul talking about the animal sacrificial law. Well, here's Paul talking about the a different law in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.

(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.
The law is in fact done away with as concerning condemnation for those who are in Christ. Why would anyone want that? In order to have the victory over condemnation.

But of course we do not do away with it as concerning obedience (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

But what law is it that we do not do away with as concerning obedience For it is written that there would be a change in the law (Hebrews 7:12).

We are no longer bound by the letter of the law but have been set free to be obedient to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).

This is inherently that we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit; and therefore the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

As it is written,

Gal 5:16, This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17, For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24, And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
 

BroTan

Active member
Sep 16, 2021
898
161
43
The law is in fact done away with as concerning condemnation for those who are in Christ. Why would anyone want that? In order to have the victory over condemnation.

But of course we do not do away with it as concerning obedience (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

But what law is it that we do not do away with as concerning obedience For it is written that there would be a change in the law (Hebrews 7:12).

We are no longer bound by the letter of the law but have been set free to be obedient to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).

This is inherently that we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit; and therefore the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

As it is written,

Gal 5:16, This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17, For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24, And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
All you doing is posting the animal Sacrificial laws written by Paul and those laws are nail to the cross, not the Commandments, statues and Judgements. So I will post by Paul the laws (Commandments) that still good to this day in
(Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you. (See exodus 20: 1-17)
 

BroTan

Active member
Sep 16, 2021
898
161
43
True the law does not bring righteousness..
The attitude does.

Does this mean that we make void the law by grace? Since the law cannot justify, should it be abolished by the believer? understanding the covenants establishes beyond any doubt that the law is just as important under the New as under the Old. Instead of being graven on stone, it is written in the heart. Instead of being fulfilled by us, it is fulfilled by Jesus in us. Instead of keeping the law in order to be saved, we keep it because we are saved. The same works of obedience are there, but they are there for a different reason and from a different motive.
Jesus warned us that the road to salvation is straight and narrow and that only a few of us will find it. Many are traveling down the wrong road, which leads to destruction. This is because many of us have heard about salvation but few of us want to do what is necessary to get salvation (many are called but few are chosen). (Matthew 7:13, 14) Many contend that Jesus did it all and now all we have to do is have faith.

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

Some say you must obey God's word, but then they turn around and teach contrary to God's word. At best they never get around to explaining exactly what kind of works are needed to get eternal life. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

Only way to enter in life is to keep the commandments!!
 

justbyfaith

Well-known member
Sep 16, 2021
4,707
462
83
@BroTan,

If you are going to be justified through your law-keeping, your works, or your personal merits, I believe, based on holy scripture (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48) that the Lord requires you to keep the whole law (every moral tenet in the Old and New Testaments) perfectly from conception into eternity.

Jesus is the only one who has ever done that; and He has died in your place.

If you will forsake trust in your ability to keep the law to save you, then His righteousness will be applied to you as your sins are applied to Him while He died on the Cross as He took the penalty for your sins.

It doesn't mean that you forsake the morality of trying to keep the law; it just means that you are no longer trusting in your law-keeping to save you.

You would begin to obey Jesus' commandments over the fact that you love Him because He first loved you (1 John 4:19) and saved you.

But you would no longer be attempting to obtain your salvation through your keeping of the law.

As long as you are attempting to obtain your salvation through your ability to keep the law, your sins stand as a testimony that you do not have salvation. For you have sinned (1 John 1:10, Romans 3:23) and the sins you have committed will be your condemnation on the day of judgment.

For if you are seeking to be justified by the law you are under a curse (Galatians 3:10) and are required to obey the whole law from the moment of your conception into all of eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48). One mess-up will keep you out of heaven; and the Bible is clear that you have messed up (1 John 1:10, Romans 3:23).
 

BroTan

Active member
Sep 16, 2021
898
161
43
@BroTan,

If you are going to be justified through your law-keeping, your works, or your personal merits, I believe, based on holy scripture (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48) that the Lord requires you to keep the whole law (every moral tenet in the Old and New Testaments) perfectly from conception into eternity.

Jesus is the only one who has ever done that; and He has died in your place.

If you will forsake trust in your ability to keep the law to save you, then His righteousness will be applied to you as your sins are applied to Him while He died on the Cross as He took the penalty for your sins.

It doesn't mean that you forsake the morality of trying to keep the law; it just means that you are no longer trusting in your law-keeping to save you.

You would begin to obey Jesus' commandments over the fact that you love Him because He first loved you (1 John 4:19) and saved you.

But you would no longer be attempting to obtain your salvation through your keeping of the law.

As long as you are attempting to obtain your salvation through your ability to keep the law, your sins stand as a testimony that you do not have salvation. For you have sinned (1 John 1:10, Romans 3:23) and the sins you have committed will be your condemnation on the day of judgment.

For if you are seeking to be justified by the law you are under a curse (Galatians 3:10) and are required to obey the whole law from the moment of your conception into all of eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48). One mess-up will keep you out of heaven; and the Bible is clear that you have messed up (1 John 1:10, Romans 3:23).
You are not reading Paul writing correctly in (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. So when you quoted all the places in the Bible that do away with this animal sacrificial law, not understanding that Paul talks about two sets of law. The Royal law (Ten Commandments) and the animal sacrificial law sometimes in the same verse you bring destruction to yourselves.
 

TMS

Senior Member
Mar 21, 2015
3,945
1,268
113
Australia
There must be two laws or the bible would be controdicting itself.
The sacrificial laws and types that pointed to salvation ended when Type meet antitype. (Schoolmaster, shadow...)
People can keep or obey laws for different motive, and this is the difference.

If i aim to gain salvation by keeping the sabbath and the rest of the law, I'm doing what Abraham and Hagar did to produce children. I'm not trusting God and trying to do it in my own strength.

If i keep the Sabbath and the rest of the law because God has written it on my heart and because i delight to do His will. I'm being a child of promise. Abraham and Sarah needed to let God work a mirical. I'm allowing God by faith to give me the fruit of the Spirit and obedience that He promises to create in us.

If you throw away the moral law God can't fulfill the promise of the new covenant.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
12,327
6,696
113
There must be two laws or the bible would be controdicting itself.
The sacrificial laws and types that pointed to salvation ended when Type meet antitype. (Schoolmaster, shadow...)
People can keep or obey laws for different motive, and this is the difference.

If i aim to gain salvation by keeping the sabbath and the rest of the law, I'm doing what Abraham and Hagar did to produce children. I'm not trusting God and trying to do it in my own strength.

If i keep the Sabbath and the rest of the law because God has written it on my heart and because i delight to do His will. I'm being a child of promise. Abraham and Sarah needed to let God work a mirical. I'm allowing God by faith to give me the fruit of the Spirit and obedience that He promises to create in us.

If you throw away the moral law God can't fulfill the promise of the new covenant.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

the New Testament tells us how to obey God and live Godly lives.


nine of the Ten were repeated for gentile Christ followers, who did not follow the God of Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob.

Sabbath keeping was not, so not required for gentiles.
 
Jan 14, 2021
1,599
526
113
the New Testament tells us how to obey God and live Godly lives.


nine of the Ten were repeated for gentile Christ followers, who did not follow the God of Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob.

Sabbath keeping was not, so not required for gentiles.
Not just then-Gentile followers, but Israelites too, including Paul. The OT commandments were not obligatory for anyone under Christ (unless one's conscience led them to follow aspects of the OT).
 

Evmur

Well-known member
Feb 28, 2021
5,219
2,618
113
London
christianchat.com
Jesus warned us that the road to salvation is straight and narrow and that only a few of us will find it. Many are traveling down the wrong road, which leads to destruction. This is because many of us have heard about salvation but few of us want to do what is necessary to get salvation (many are called but few are chosen). (Matthew 7:13, 14) Many contend that Jesus did it all and now all we have to do is have faith.

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

Some say you must obey God's word, but then they turn around and teach contrary to God's word. At best they never get around to explaining exactly what kind of works are needed to get eternal life. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

Only way to enter in life is to keep the commandments!!
But submitting to the commandments of Moses is an act of disobedience not an act of faith. Faith acts in trusting ourselves wholly to Christ for salvation ... that we have done.
 

TMS

Senior Member
Mar 21, 2015
3,945
1,268
113
Australia
the New Testament tells us how to obey God and live Godly lives.


nine of the Ten were repeated for gentile Christ followers, who did not follow the God of Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob.

Sabbath keeping was not, so not required for gentiles.
Jesus kept the Sabbath, and never said to stop keeping it.
In Acts paul kept the Sabbath, and if you research history both Jews and Gentile christians keep the Sabbath for hundreds of years after Christ.
Heb 4 talks about the sabbath rest.