Did Adam's kids commit incest among themselves to achieve posterity?

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So I was just wondering how Adam's kids managed to find wives when they were none except their sisters and if they did sleep with their sisters then why was that right in the creation context and wrong in the Torah? Does the law change for desperate circumstances hence the verse "I will show mercy to whom I will, I am the Lord". Can someone with deep scholarly roots in the Bible explain this to me please?
 

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Noah's kin had to breed amongst themselves too seeing as how he and they
were the only ones to survive the Flood.
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Noah's kin had to breed amongst themselves too seeing as how he and they
were the only ones to survive the Flood.
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Noah's sons had already married prior to entering the ark, They entered with their wives. So Noah's situation was not as desperate as Adam's kids situation was.
 

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Neither situation was “desperate”. It was all within God’s plan. He designed the human genome with sufficient breadth that procreation with one’s sibling early on would not have presented any problems. It’s anachronistic to apply the modern concept of incest to those situations.
 
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But it was still the same definition of what we refer to incest today? I am saying this because it was between people who came from the same womb, the womb of Eve.
 
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So in the creation context, God did visit the two and who knows what He was discussing with them, He had to give them something to abide by, The law does not need to be given, its already in an individual's conscious awareness. law against murder was given by Moses in the Torah but Cain already broke that law generations earlier and no one had issued it, it was just wrong. Same with other laws. and God made sure Cain paid for that.
 

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But it was still the same definition of what we refer to incest today? I am saying this because it was between people who came from the same womb, the womb of Eve.
You are employing the fallacy of anachronism.
 

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There was no such law then.

Rom 4:15 . .Where there is no law, neither is there violation.

Rom 5:12-13 . . Before The Law sin was in the world; but sin is not
imputed when there is no law.

In other words; when there is no codified rule prohibiting a certain practice,
then it doesn't go against them when somebody does it.

But anyway, Adam was the only human that God constructed directly from
the earth's soil during the six days of creation; and from him the entire
planet is populated.

Acts 17:26 . . From one man He made every nation of men, that they
should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined the times set for them
and the exact places where they should live.

In the beginning, incest wasn't dangerous because the human genome was
brand spanking new and had not yet undergone any genetic damage and/or
mutations; so for quite a few years following Adam's creation it was safe to
literally sleep with one's sister. In point of fact, Abraham slept with his half
sister and they produced Isaac from whom eventually came Christ.
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So I was just wondering how Adam's kids managed to find wives when they were none except their sisters
Well, there doesn't seem to be any other explanation.

and if they did sleep with their sisters then why was that right in the creation context and wrong in the Torah? Does the law change for desperate circumstances hence the verse "I will show mercy to whom I will, I am the Lord". Can someone with deep scholarly roots in the Bible explain this to me please?
I don't have "deep scholarly roots" but none is required. There was no Torah, or "Law," before Moses. The Law came in when it did for a specific purpose in God's plan; that is, to demonstrate man's sinfulness. It didn't come out of desperation.

But I have a feeling this isn't going to satisfy you as it's too simple.
 

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Well, there doesn't seem to be any other explanation.
The very first offspring of A&E would have had to marry siblings, but after that,
nieces and nephews and cousins etc would have been available as mates also.
 
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The very first offspring of A&E would have had to marry siblings, but after that,
nieces and nephews and cousins etc would have been available as mates also.
Satisfied beyond doubt, no law no sin, Thank You guys for you efforts making this clear.
 

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the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair and chose wives...

so the sons came from God (well Adam was created by God) and the daughters came from men (I presume, given birth by women x men)

I dont think God kept pulling ribs out of Adam or his sons. I could be wrong though, I wasnt there at the beginning of time so dont have any proof....
 

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The law does not need to be given, its already in an individual's conscious
awareness. law against murder was given by Moses in the Torah but Cain
already broke that law generations earlier and no one had issued it, it was
just wrong. Same with other laws. and God made sure Cain paid for that.

According to Rom 4:15 and Rom 5:12-13, when there is no codified rule
prohibiting a certain practice, then it doesn't go against them when
somebody does it.

In other words: it was too soon for God to enforce either Moses' law or
Noah's law because according to Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal
3:17; the laws of God are not retroactive. In point of fact, I would even go
so far as to guess that were we to pull up Cain's history per Rev 20:12-13
we would not find Abel's murder listed as a crime deserving the death
penalty.

This is a principle that Christians enjoy too, only better; much better.

In the Christian situation, we have to go back to an era prior to the
codification of any kind of law; either human or divine.

Eph 1:4 . .He chose us in Christ before the creation of the world.

Thus everyone "in Christ" enjoys a certain amount of immunity.

2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not
counting men's sins against them.

So then, were we to pull up an in-Christ Christian's history, we would not
only fail to find any sins punishable by death, but any sins at all: zero. In
other words; on the books it would appear that they have never been
anything other than 100% innocent their entire lives.
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Nope.. nor did Lots kids. There as no law.
 
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So I was just wondering how Adam's kids managed to find wives when they were none except their sisters and if they did sleep with their sisters then why was that right in the creation context and wrong in the Torah? Does the law change for desperate circumstances hence the verse "I will show mercy to whom I will, I am the Lord". Can someone with deep scholarly roots in the Bible explain this to me please?
In Genesis 4:17, Cain apparently finds a wife after traveling to the land of Nod. Some people might ask where she came from. The obvious answer she was either born naturally or she was created by God.

Obliviously there are gaps in this story. God didn't sit by idly and do nothing while the narrator of Genesis went on and on about various other things. Time didn't stand still for the known universe while Cain built a city in Genesis 4:17.

While there could have been some incest, the Bible doesn't confirm or deny incest nor does it say God didn't make more people.
 

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So I was just wondering how Adam's kids managed to find wives when they were none except their sisters and if they did sleep with their sisters then why was that right in the creation context and wrong in the Torah? Does the law change for desperate circumstances hence the verse "I will show mercy to whom I will, I am the Lord". Can someone with deep scholarly roots in the Bible explain this to me please?
humans are related even today we all date back to the beginning. We’re a species that requires pro creation . Incest wasn’t a thing until the law came a couple thousand years after adam And Eve

if every species begins with a male and female then every species had to pro create among thier children

even today though we’re still related all humans are through Adam and Eve.