Yes several times you have put the word unquenchable into Luke 3:16 rather than where it actually is in 3:17. Then you throw around words. Ive called on it a few times and you dont see it, but seem to justify it.
just for the exercise
once again, the text:
Matthew 3
4 Now John wore a garment of camel’s hair and a leather belt around his waist, and his food was locusts and wild honey.
5 Then Jerusalem and all Judea and all the region about the Jordan were going out to him,
6 and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.
9And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.
10 Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
11 “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”
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my personal meditations:
leaving
fire in vs 11, followed by vs 12, let's narrow the context:
He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
the problem i have with
"He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire" applying to the general audience - (meaning that each repentent man would be baptised with The Holy Spirit and fire) is not only what is said in the verses just prior to (vs 7-10) and just following vs 11's
fire , but what is said immediately following in vs 12, AND IN THE VERSES FOLLOWING 12 - (vs 13-17: more on this below).
Back to the immediate context:
John is actually baptising repentent jews in
water, in preparation for the messiah coming:
"
Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
John appears to be intently going about making a straight path for The Lord to travel. he is busy indeed, for:
"Jerusalem and all Judea and all the region about the Jordan were going out to him, and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins."
then he sees some Sadducees and Pharisees
"coming to his baptism"
[now, it
might even be possible to rule out that the Sadducees were coming to be baptised (water) in anticipation of the kingdom of heaven (Spirit), since they did not believe in an after-life.]
when John "
saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism".....shockingly he reacts rather sharply, launching (apparently out of the blue) into a rebuke:
“You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.
And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.
Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees.
Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
what's interesting is that Luke wants to tell us something very specific about this episode:
Luke 7:28-30 (NLT)
I tell you, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John. Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of God is greater than he is!”
When they heard this, all the people—even the tax collectors—agreed that God’s way was right, for they had been baptized by John.
But the Pharisees and experts in religious law rejected God’s plan for them, for they had refused John’s baptism.
so let's look again at Matthew:
He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
so again:
the problem i have with
"He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire" applying to the general audience - (meaning that each repentent man would be baptised with The Holy Spirit and fire) is not only what is said in the verses just prior to (vs 7-10) and just following vs 11's
fire , but what is said immediately following in vs 12,
AND IN THE VERSES FOLLOWING 12 :
Matthew 3
The Baptism of Jesus
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him.
14 John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented.
16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;
17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”
nothing here about FIRE.
lastly, a commentary on the only similiar passage i can find:
Isaiah 4:4
The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of
fire.
burning-(
Mt 3:11, 12). The same Holy Ghost, who sanctifies believers by the fire of affliction (Mal 3:2, 3), dooms unbelievers to the fire of perdition (1Co 3:13-15).
1197a. baar
to burn, consume
Transliteration: baar
Short Definition: burn
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to burn, consume
NASB Word Usage
blazed (1), burn (15), burned (12), burning (13), burns (3), clean sweep (1), consume (1), consumed (2), destroy (1), devoured (1), expelled (1), heated (1), kindle (2), kindled (5), light (1), make (2), make a clean sweep (1), make fires (1), purge (9), remove (3), removed (4), set (1), set ablaze (1), sets it afire (1), started (1), sweeps away (1), utterly sweep (1), utterly sweep you away (1).
a-a-a-a-nywayz-z-z-z
interesting.