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As someone who has traveled in Protestant churches I can tell you that many are born again and those who are not are hungry for the Word. I was in a Methodist church that even believed in speaking in tongues. I don't know what church you attend, but you need to visit a few churches before you make blanket statements.
This is like Sodom telling me I just have to check out Gomorrah first.

Every single church denomination has "fornication, adultery, homosexuality, and feminism". Every single one. Wheat and the tares. That doesn't mean you blanket everyone the same way.
More reasons why denominations are accursed and why God will destroy their churches and their nations, in Jesus name the saints shall be avenged like they pray against them every single night, amen.
 

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This is like Sodom telling me I just have to check out Gomorrah first.

More reasons why denominations are accursed and why God will destroy their churches and their nations, in Jesus name the saints shall be avenged like they pray against them every single night, amen.
You are confused and sick, and need help. I strongly suggest you repent of your slander before you answer to God for it.
 
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More reasons why denominations are accursed and why God will destroy their churches and their nations, in Jesus name the saints shall be avenged like they pray against them every single night, amen.

Just to be clear hear, who's heads are ya swinging for? Is it denominations that you hate or just whatever isn't part of your denomination? What's over the door of your church, or are you anti-church?
 
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You are confused and sick, and need help. I strongly suggest you repent of your slander before you answer to God for it.
Someone's not dealin' with a deck here me thinks.
 
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Just to be clear hear, who's heads are ya swinging for? Is it denominations that you hate or just whatever isn't part of your denomination? What's over the door of your church, or are you anti-church?
Gerizim and Ebal is what is written over mine.

Mene Tekel Upharsin is written over the houses of all this land of America at least. My God weighed them for decades very patiently to see if they would acknowledge their deep errors, they have come up wanting, God shall take them utterly away. The writing is on the wall for the Four Generations of Shame therefore Four Sore Judgements of God will come to pass; pestilence, famine, disasters, and the Sword. One judgement is passed, the second judgement has begun and is quickly sinking in, one remains in which they could in theory acknowledge and repent and be spared, but seeing as that is unlikely, no nation has ever survived the Sword. Decade of Decisions, oh Decade of Decisions, even in this decade it will be decided! Praise Jesus Christ the only Lord!
 

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1 Jn 5:1 "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father also loves those born of Him.a 2By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome, 4because everyone born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith."

Catholic Christians believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God (and the Catholic Church taught the World the Holy Trinity, that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are God, and One God with the Father), and therefore Catholic Christians are born again and have eternal life per St. John.
Demons believe, that does not mean that they are born again. (James 2:19). Satan knows that Jesus is God. He watched in horror as Jesus rose from the dead. That does not make Satan saved either. It is not enough for anyone to believe the facts about Jesus. I was compelled to go to church for 3 years. I knew the apostle's creed off by heart. I believed it to be true. But as far as I was concerned, it was irrelevant to me, no more than history. Jesus defined eternal life as knowing Him and knowing God. (John 17:3) I don't care what label people attach to themselves. It's not what you know, it's who you know that makes you a born again Christian.
 

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I am not uncareful with what I have said.

None of them have been born again, they are liars. They don't even understand what being born again means.

The Lord Jesus Christ will put their entire kingdom to the Sword, praise Jesus!
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.........." 1 Peter 1:3.

Note: has caused us, not will someday.....

"For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God." 1 Peter 1:23

Note: have been born again, not will someday..........

You criticise and slander others. You say they do not know what it means to be born again. The Bible contradicts your false view completely. You are the ignorant one.
 

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Concerning the resurrection, you are correct. However, I have already been crucified with Christ, I was buried with Him and raised from the dead with Him. That is the resurrection that matters to me right now. Or do you not believe God's word?

I am risen with Christ to new life. That's what it means to be born again.
Amen to that ❤️❤️

“For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: and that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:14-17‬ ‭

“God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin:

but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:2-4, 6-7, 11-14‬ ‭

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:1-3‬ ‭

It’s about that new creation who does with him and is being born anew in the resurrection today as different people who decide to choose a different path from before

Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: for which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: in the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:5-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

David’s psalm of repentance and request for Gods mercy and forgiveness and provision

Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: According unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, And cleanse me from my sin.

For I acknowledge my transgressions: And my sin is ever before me.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭51:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

Hide thy face from my sins, And blot out all mine iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God; And renew a right spirit within me.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭51:7, 9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the prophets response later

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: ….And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:25-27‬ ‭

it’s all about the transformative power of the gospel for a believer to change the oath tbey we’re on and lead them to the lords path prepared for us about a new creature in Christ “ born again “ “ Risen with Christ to a new life “ new creations “ are ways of showing the same concept
Of redemption to mans original state of right standing with God.


A renewed person from the Inside out. Restored and redeemed reconciled and made right again. No longer a sinner but a child of God , a follower of God forgiven and blessed and loved for sure. But also instructed about thier own salvation and told to accept and believe and be saved

“For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.........." 1 Peter 1:3.

Note: has caused us, not will someday.....

"For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God." 1 Peter 1:23

Note: have been born again, not will someday..........

You criticise and slander others. You say they do not know what it means to be born again. The Bible contradicts your false view completely. You are the ignorant one.
Well I guess they will be surprised when they said they were born again because of the vain teachings of their fathers, totally missing the point of the resurrection, and Jesus tells them, "I don't know you, be gone from my presence!"
 
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Gerizim and Ebal is what is written over mine.
The mountains? Ok, so anyone part of any "denomination" God's gonna cut 'em down. Where in the Word is that found?


Mene Tekel Upharsin is written over the houses of all this land of America at least. ation
So not just churches, gonna cut down all Americans. Any country God does like or just us He has it in for?

My God weighed them for decades very patiently to see if they would acknowledge their deep errors, they have come up wanting, God shall take them utterly away. The writing is on the wall for the Four Generations of Shame therefore Four Sore Judgements of God will come to pass; pestilence, famine, disasters, and the Sword.
Ok, America isn't in the Bible. There is no national repentance for America, that is Israel. America isn't a theocracy. The writing on the wall is OT and has nothing to do with America. There are people who are saved and going to heaven and those that aren't. But in the scheme of things America isn't important in end times, that's Israel.

One judgement is passed, the second judgement has begun and is quickly sinking in, one remains in which they could in theory acknowledge and repent and be spared, but seeing as that is unlikely, no nation has ever survived the Sword. Decade of Decisions, oh Decade of Decisions, even in this decade it will be decided! Praise Jesus Christ the only Lord!
Again, individuals from America will be saved, or be judged, but America as a nation will not "repent", the only nation that will turn back to God is Israel.
 
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The mountains? Ok, so anyone part of any "denomination" God's gonna cut 'em down. Where in the Word is that found?




So not just churches, gonna cut down all Americans. Any country God does like or just us He has it in for?



Ok, America isn't in the Bible. There is no national repentance for America, that is Israel. America isn't a theocracy. The writing on the wall is OT and has nothing to do with America. There are people who are saved and going to heaven and those that aren't. But in the scheme of things America isn't important in end times, that's Israel.



Again, individuals from America will be saved, or be judged, but America as a nation will not "repent", the only nation that will turn back to God is Israel.
There are no schisms in the True Church. Woe to the robbers that think they will steal the vineyard!
 

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Well I guess they will be surprised when they said they were born again because of the vain teachings of their fathers, totally missing the point of the resurrection, and Jesus tells them, "I don't know you, be gone from my presence!"
I don't believe that the apostle Peter was preaching vain teachings. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. You may well find yourself doing the walk of shame on that day. You will be judged according to how you judge others. Like I said, be careful. I wish you no harm, but it seems that you are anxious for God to pour out judgement on others. When you heap abuse on those who are born again, as you do, you are heaping abuse on Lord Jesus.
 

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You said: “Christians may differ politically; they may differ in attitudes to all kinds of issues.” The examples I gave are not issues that Christians should differ in attitude. God made male and female in his image, and he knew us before he formed us; Satan tells you that there’s a whole spectrum of gender, and abortion is just getting rid of a clump of cells. Which side are you in? That’s not a hate list, that’s a litmus test.
Why don't you read my post? I've already said what side I'm on when it comes to abortion. When it comes to vaccination, another of your hitlist items, I am pro vaccination. I'm also against compulsion. I'm against lies and deception also. Some of the anti vax stuff written by so-called Christians is borderline nuts. I won't say that those people are not born again. I know that it is possible to be born again and yet deceived on some issues. No one is perfect, not even you.
 
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1. Your understanding is not correct. The rock is the revelation that Jesus is the Son of God. This is the cornerstone of the church.

2. We never see Peter as the leader of the church in the rest of scripture.

3. In fact, during the Jerusalem Council meeting with Peter present (Acts 15), James the brother of Jesus presides over the council, not Peter.
If Christ had meant to say: "The Rock is the Revelation, and on that Revelation, I will build My Church", He would have done so. But He didn't. Here's another (Lutheran) commentary: "The obvious pun which has made its way into the Gk. text as well suggests a material identity between petra and petros, the more so as it is impossible to differentiate strictly between the meanings of the two words. On the other hand, only the fairly assured Aramaic original of the saying enables us to assert with confidence the formal and material identity between petra and petros: petra = Kepha = petros....Since Peter, the rock of the Church, is thus given by Christ Himself, the master of the house (Is. 22:22; Rev. 3:7), the keys of the kingdom of heaven, he is the human mediator of the resurrection, and he has the task of admitting the people of God into the kingdom of the resurrection...The idea of the Reformers that He is referring to the faith of Peter is quite inconceivable in view of the probably different setting of the story...For there is no reference here to the faith of Peter. Rather, the parallelism of 'thou art Rock' and 'on this rock I will build' shows that the second rock can only be the same as the first. It is thus evident that Jesus is referring to Peter, to whom He has given the name Rock. He appoints Peter, the impulsive, enthusiastic, but not persevering man in the circle, to be the foundation of His ecclesia. To this extent Roman Catholic exegesis is right and all Protestant attempts to evade this interpretation are to be rejected." (Cullmann, article on "Rock" (petros, petra) trans. and ed. by Geoffrey W. Bromiley, Theological Dictionary of the New Testament [Eerdmans Publishing, 1968], volume 6, page 98, 107, 108)"

Regarding your second point, no. "There is ample evidence in the New Testament that Peter was first in authority among the apostles. Whenever they were named, Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the apostles were referred to as “Peter and those who were with him” (Luke 9:32). Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28). On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7).

It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17). An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34). He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11). It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48)." https://www.catholic.com/tract/peter-and-the-papacy

Regarding your third point, St. James was First Bishop of Jerusalem, where that Acts 15 Council was held. St. Peter, as history shows, was First Bishop of Rome. Even in spite of that, in that Jerusalem Council, Peter spoke first, in vs 7-11, and James after that, in vs 14-21.

Protestant Historian Philip Schaff, who wrote a scholarly work, "History of the Christian Church" (on Amazon here: https://www.amazon.in/History-Christian-Church-8/dp/156563196X ) gives the list of the First Four Bishops of Rome from St. Peter.

"The succession list of bishops in the apostolic see of Rome of the first two centuries as provided by Schaff (volume 2, page 166) is --
  • St. Peter (d. 64 or 67)
  • St. Linus (67-76)
  • St. Anacletus (76-88)
  • St. Clement I (88-97) ...
On St. Clement of Rome (c. 96 AD), reckoned as the fourth Pope from St. Peter, Schaff states "...it can hardly be denied that the document [Clement to the Corinthians] reveals the sense of a certain superiority over all ordinary congregations. The Roman church here, without being asked (as far as appears), gives advice, with superior administrative wisdom, to an important church in the East, dispatches messengers to her, and exhorts her to order and unity in a tone of calm dignity and authority, as the organ of God and the Holy Spirit. This is all the more surprising if St. John, as is probable, was then still living in Ephesus, which was nearer to Corinth than Rome." (Schaff, volume 2, page 158) and "It must in justice be admitted, however, that the list of Roman bishops has by far the preminence in age, completeness, integrity of succession, consistency of doctrine and policy, above every similar catalogue, not excepting those of Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, and Constantinople...." (Schaff, page 166)

In spite of this, if you believe, Christ setup His Church without any Hierarchy and Primacy among Bishops or Pastors, fine. I believe Christ clearly intended St. Peter to be Chief Bishop or Lead Pastor among the Apostles, something which the Early Church, right from the First Centuries discernibly kept, and something which the Catholic Church retains till today. God Bless.
 
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I don't believe that the apostle Peter was preaching vain teachings. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. You may well find yourself doing the walk of shame on that day. You will be judged according to how you judge others. Like I said, be careful. I wish you no harm, but it seems that you are anxious for God to pour out judgement on others. When you heap abuse on those who are born again, as you do, you are heaping abuse on Lord Jesus.
Peter warned against the vain teachings of their fathers.

As for God's judgement, it is decreed by God, so there is no anxiety at all. They would do well to make the Twofold Acknowledgement while they are only on the Second Sore Judgement, but then again when God sent the First Sore Judgement what they did instead was double down in defending their wickedness and obstinately refused to acknowledge the Living God, therefore true to his promises, now they have entered the next Sore Judgement. If the Four Shameful Generations reach the Fourth Sore Judgement, it is the Sword, and no one has ever survived the Sword.
 
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The NT was not written in Aramaic. In Greek, the language the NT was written in, there are two
different words used, one for Peter (Petros), and one signifying Christ (petra), the Rock of salvation.


Our salvation is not built on Peter.
Hi Magenta.

Our Salvation is certainly built on Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Savior, alone. But that passage is not about Salvation. It is about Church Government. The metaphor of the keys makes it plain. St. Peter is to have the Keys from Christ to bind and loose on Earth. In this way, Christ will continue to exercise His Authority, in His Church, through St. Peter on Earth, after He goes to Heaven.

Regarding Petra and Petros, I have already cited some scholarly sources. Peter was a man, so translating Christ's Word as "You are Petra" would have been awkward, as it would imply he was feminine. In Aramaic, scholars know, it was "You are Kephas, and on this Kephas I will build My Church". Even in English translations, it is very clear: "You are Peter, and on this Rock (not on this Revelation, nor on something else), I will build My Church."

In Isa 22, God shows us that keys denote authority of office:

"20 “In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah. 21 I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the people of Judah. 22 I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 23 I will drive him like a peg into a firm place; he will become a seat[a] of honor for the house of his father."

God Bless. Will reply to the rest later.
 
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Why don't you read my post? I've already said what side I'm on when it comes to abortion. When it comes to vaccination, another of your hitlist items, I am pro vaccination. I'm also against compulsion. I'm against lies and deception also. Some of the anti vax stuff written by so-called Christians is borderline nuts. I won't say that those people are not born again. I know that it is possible to be born again and yet deceived on some issues. No one is perfect, not even you.
"Born again Christian" is just a title, like all those denominations. We can debate on theologies and talk in Christianese all day long, slapping verses upon verses on one another, but none of that means anything until rubber meets the road. You think it's MY "hit list" or "hate list"? Go read Rom. 1:28-32, 1 Cor 6:9-10, 2 Tim. 3:2-6, Rev. 21:8. Those are not ideological or political issues, those are spiritual issues with direct impact in the depth of soul. I never meant to pass any judgement, God does - through His words.
 
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Demons believe, that does not mean that they are born again. (James 2:19).
Hi Gideon.

Agreed. Demons believe, but do not love. Faith, unless it works by love, is dead, as St. James teaches. The Catholic Church has always emphasized faith along with works. St. John teaches the evidence that we are born again is that we love our brethren: "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death." (1 Jn 3:14)

Satan knows that Jesus is God. He watched in horror as Jesus rose from the dead. That does not make Satan saved either. It is not enough for anyone to believe the facts about Jesus. I was compelled to go to church for 3 years. I knew the apostle's creed off by heart. I believed it to be true. But as far as I was concerned, it was irrelevant to me, no more than history. Jesus defined eternal life as knowing Him and knowing God. (John 17:3) I don't care what label people attach to themselves. It's not what you know, it's who you know that makes you a born again Christian.
Agreed. Faith is much more than a bare intellectual assent to some historical facts. Faith means wholeheartedly accepting Christ into your life, and recognizing Him for Who He is, Our Lord and Savior. It means being washed in His Blood and filled with His Spirit. It means walking with Him day by day and striving to grow in His Grace. Faith is important, and is the foundation, but love is the crowning virtue.

God above all wants us to love Him, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, with all our heart, and to love everyone just as He has loved us: with sacrificial, selfless love. I believe St. Mother Teresa of Calcutta showed a beautiful example of Christ's Love in recent times. Several people, including former Hindu Brahmin's came to Jesus Christ because of the Good Example of her faith working by love.

We were created to know and love God. If we know Him, love Him and love our neighbor, we fulfill our duty as His disciples. God Bless.
 

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I don't really get why all the obsession with more, more, more! Why can't people just be content and at peace in the Lord. The obsession with more has brought things like the Totonto "blessing."


This thing is what many refer to as "revival." It lasted approximately two years and before it was barely over people were prophesying the next big wave, the next "revival." This is not of God, I can guarantee it.

They're never satisfied, they have to keep upping the ante to feel like God is moving. This is because it's all based in emotion and emotions never rest; they always demand more.