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We don't meet any conditions for salvation, Christ provided and obtained eternal redemption and salvation for us through His own sacrifice on the cross (Heb 9:12). The only work that we do is to believe upon the Son to have life (Jn 6:29). We believe on one condition, FAITH upon the Son and we are saved forever (Acts 15:11, 16:31, Rom 10:9) without the possibility of being unsaved or giving it back to God. We have been bought with a price and we are no longer our own (1Cor 6:20, 7:23, 2Tim 1:9). We are His purchased possession (Acts 20:28, Eph 1:14, 2Pt 2:1), who have been called to His eternal purpose (Eph 3:9-12).
First you said no conditions, and then in the next sentence you say there is only one condition. So what is it none or one? I'd say there are even more
 
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FireOnTheAltar

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Again, any gospel that makes allowances for sin is a false gospel.

Jesus gave his life that those who believe in Him may have complete victory over sin and self, not a partial victory where the believer is saved in his or her sin or a hypothetical victory where God ignores your sin.

Sin is a choice and one we do not have to make if we walk in the presence and leadership of the indwelling Christ, the Holy Spirit.
 
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This is absolutely false.

God loves those that hate Him and choose Hell over Heaven, but they must still meet the conditions for salvation. Unless you are an universalist. But that is another debate all together
what do you consider the conditions for salvation?
 
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what do you consider the conditions for salvation?

Red actually said it best: "The only work that we do is to believe upon the Son to have life (Jn 6:29). We believe on one condition, FAITH upon the Son..." then he turned around and denied that there were any conditions. Go figure?
 
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what do you consider the conditions for salvation?
How about what Peter says in Acts 2:38 ''Repent, and be baptized'' or what Paul says in Romans 10:9 ''confess and believe'' or Jesus in Matthew 24:13 ''endure until the end''

So far we have 5, repent, be baptized, confess, believe, and endure.

I am sure I could find more if you pressed me.
 
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How about what Peter says in Acts 2:38 ''Repent, and be baptized'' or what Paul says in Romans 10:9 ''confess and believe'' or Jesus in Matthew 24:13 ''endure until the end''

So far we have 5, repent, be baptized, confess, believe, and endure.

I am sure I could find more if you pressed me.
Well just off of the top of my head, there's forgiveness; "forgive your brother for if you do not forgive your brother how can our Father in heaven forgive you?"

I'm sure I could find a few more as well if a little time to think about it.
 
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Well just off of the top of my head, there's forgiveness; "forgive your brother for if you do not forgive your brother how can our Father in heaven forgive you?"
Yes lets add forgive others to the list of conditions

Lets see if we can go in the order they would probably occur

1) believe
2) repent
3) confess
4) be baptized
5) forgive others
6) endure
 
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Yes lets add forgive others to the list of conditions

Lets see if we can go in the order they would probably occur

1) believe
2) repent
3) confess
4) be baptized
5) forgive others
6) endure
Never blaspheme the Holy Spirit, that one will send you to hell for sure. Although I wouldn't consider that a condition, just a warning.
 
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AnandaHya

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Yes lets add forgive others to the list of conditions

Lets see if we can go in the order they would probably occur

1) believe
2) repent
3) confess
4) be baptized
5) forgive others
6) endure
ok so far so good. I would add that these things are only possible through the grace and mercy of God who places such thoughts and desires in the hearts of His children through the promptings of the Holy Spirit.

It is through grace we are made to believe, shown the sins we need to repent and given the gospel knowledge to repent and be baptized in Christ. It is through the sanctification of the Holy Spirit that we are able to forgive others and endure. For alone we can do nothing but with God all things are possible :)
 
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ok so far so good. I would add that these things are only possible through the grace and mercy of God who places such thoughts and desires in the hearts of His children through the promptings of the Holy Spirit.

It is through grace we are made to believe, shown the sins we need to repent and given the gospel knowledge to repent and be baptized in Christ. It is through the sanctification of the Holy Spirit that we are able to forgive others and endure. For alone we can do nothing but with God all things are possible :)
Amen AnandaHya, I totally agree
 
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If God's Eternal Salvation and Redemption is not unconditional to every one that believes by faith, then the love of God is not unconditional either.
This is absolutely false.

God loves those that hate Him and choose Hell over Heaven, but they must still meet the conditions for salvation. Unless you are an universalist. But that is another debate all together
You want the love of God to be unconditional but you want the salvation that comes from that love and is provided by that love to be conditional and based upon the life of the one who receives the action of that love by faith. God is the author of His salvation that He has provided to sinful man through the actions and work of His Son on the cross. The sinner has nothing to do with providing that salvation but is a recipient of that salvation when they believe upon the Son by faith without any works.

The only work or action on the believer's side it to respond by faith and agree with God's unconditional provision of eternal life that was made possible through His Son. Once we have met God's provision with faith, God imputes to that believer every single thing that Christ made possible for the sinner to be accepted as an adopted son of God. That sonship is sealed by the earnest of the Spirit and the believer is permanently hid with Christ in God as a fixed position. The believer can not release himself or unseal what God has sealed any more than a man can be unborn from his own birth. The believer has become a new creature through the new birth and that can not be taken from him nor can the believer forfeit what God has made him to be as a new creature in Christ.

Even if the believer chooses to live in sin (God forbid) God with convict, chastise and even scourge him as a son (if needed) and it will be grievous until it yields a peacable fruit of righteousness. The onus is upon God to keep us and never leave us or forsake us and to be faithful to what He has promised and that is unconditional. And as our high priest, He ever lives to make intercession for us. If we think that God is going to stop doing what He has promised to do in the believer's life because of actions that might involve sin on the believer's part, then we do not understand the veracity and tenacity of God's immutable character and nature that He is faithful who has promised and not one word of His good promise will fall to the ground. (you want the verses of scripture on this, I have them all)
 

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Red. Thank you for your wonderful insight and great edification.
 
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Faith without works is dead. We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ and everything He teaches. When one has faith it is always demonstrated by works. Now, perhaps you believe you do not work, but I have some of the Good News to bring to mind. "Believe that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh and He is the Savior of all who call upon Him, this is works." Remember he who waits is also working. Let us all believe
, pray, edify whenever possible, wait, and whatever we are permitted to do do to the glory of God. Love also is works and a gift from God. God is Love. Blessed be our Savior, Jesus Christ, in Jesus Christ's name, amen.
Thank you for your edification and the love of God that is in your heart.

Heb 6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works.

1Cor 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
 
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How about what Peter says in Acts 2:38 ''Repent, and be baptized'' or what Paul says in Romans 10:9 ''confess and believe'' or Jesus in Matthew 24:13 ''endure until the end''

So far we have 5, repent, be baptized, confess, believe, and endure.

I am sure I could find more if you pressed me.
what part of "not of works lest any man should boast (take credit) does one not understand.

acts 2: 8 in the greek does not allow for baptism to be a part of receiving the HS, It is a result of receiving remision of sin.

He commands all (2nd person plural) to repent. he only commands those who repented and recieved remission (3rd person singular) to be baptized.
 

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There are times when brethren give us such blessings it takes our breath away, this has been just one of those times. God is Love, and in Love there is no sin. Baruch hashem, Yeshua Hamashicah, amen........omein.
 
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ok so far so good. I would add that these things are only possible through the grace and mercy of God who places such thoughts and desires in the hearts of His children through the promptings of the Holy Spirit.

It is through grace we are made to believe, shown the sins we need to repent and given the gospel knowledge to repent and be baptized in Christ. It is through the sanctification of the Holy Spirit that we are able to forgive others and endure. For alone we can do nothing but with God all things are possible :)
Exactly and that's why the presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer is a necessity and not an option as many in the "Free Grace" camp believe and teach.
 
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Exactly and that's why the presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer is a necessity and not an option as many in the "Free Grace" camp believe and teach.
I agree. The problem, as I believe you are saying, is many is the "free grace" group do not have the HS, so this is probably why they do not teach this.
 
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lol.. I feel weird typing free grace. Grace means unearned or unmerited favor. It is free!! or it is not grace..lol

But as always people want to distort what this truly means and end up making this thing a bad thing.
 
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lol.. I feel weird typing free grace. Grace means unearned or unmerited favor. It is free!! or it is not grace..lol

But as always people want to distort what this truly means and end up making this thing a bad thing.
that is why the Holy Spirit is so important. because words can be twisted and perverted to fit the lies uttered by the flesh and demons but the Holy Spirit will shine light upon the matter and show people what GRACE really is.

lol I tell people its not free but paid for by Jesus Christ for your sins. That is a high and noble sacrifice of love. However I tell them it is a GIFT and there is nothing they can do to earn it but simply say thank you and receive it. That is what gifts are meant to be, no strings attached. unconditional love. grace a gift that was bought and given by Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ;)