IF 'THE DEAD' don't rise then who do we rule and reign over?
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It's like asking someone who believes in 'the rapture theory' 'when is the church raised up to heaven' and they NEVER ANSWER.
SO I ASK AGAIN, HOW ARE THOSE WHO NEVER DIE BEING RAISED FROM THE DEAD?
I can't answer the question BECAUSE I BELIEVE JESUS when He says we will never die. YOU OBVIOUSLY don't because you have SAVED souls being RAISED FROM THE DEAD.
To be raised from the dead you have to be amongst the dead to be amongst the dead you have to die. To die is the OPPOSITE OF NEVER DIE.
SO I ASK AGAIN, how are those who never die being raised from the DEAD?
The battle of Armageddon is when the New Age Christ, antichrist, and the world attack Jerusalem which then the LORD God will come and fight against the world and defeat them and leave a 6th of their army alive which Jesus and the saints will rule over these people for a thousand years.
Which the LORD will be King over all the earth, and in that day there shall be one LORD and His name one, and the people that God spared have to go up year after year to Jerusalem to worship the LORD and keep the feast of tabernacles.
Jesus said until one jot or tittle will pass from the law until all is fulfilled which includes all the roles of Israel.
But Jesus has not fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth yet because He came as a humble servant so during the millennial reign Jesus will fulfill the role of the perfect King on earth fulfilling the law and heaven and earth shall pass away and there will be a new heaven and earth.
At the end of the 1000 years the heathen attack the saints and God consumes them with fire which they still have punishment coming for following the beast but God postponed it until at the end of the millennial reign.
Then the dead shall rise and be judged and then they saints will go to a new earth where sin has never been and sin will never be which no heathen can enter that earth.
Which the LORD will be King over all the earth, and in that day there shall be one LORD and His name one, and the people that God spared have to go up year after year to Jerusalem to worship the LORD and keep the feast of tabernacles.
Jesus said until one jot or tittle will pass from the law until all is fulfilled which includes all the roles of Israel.
But Jesus has not fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth yet because He came as a humble servant so during the millennial reign Jesus will fulfill the role of the perfect King on earth fulfilling the law and heaven and earth shall pass away and there will be a new heaven and earth.
At the end of the 1000 years the heathen attack the saints and God consumes them with fire which they still have punishment coming for following the beast but God postponed it until at the end of the millennial reign.
Then the dead shall rise and be judged and then they saints will go to a new earth where sin has never been and sin will never be which no heathen can enter that earth.
You are claiming Jesus was/is imperfect! Who are you or any man to claim the Son of God to be imperfect ? He is the Potter we the clay ... you have the tail wagging the dog. Unbelievable !
There are good reason there are verbal battles in forums the above post being one of them. He is the prefect King then now and forever .
There are good reason there are verbal battles in forums the above post being one of them. He is the prefect King then now and forever .
I am not saying Jesus is not perfect for He is the perfect King right now but I am saying that He has to be King on earth ruling to fulfill the law.
The law has to be fulfilled including the roles of Israel which are king, high priest, and prophet, and whatever role has to be fulfilled.
I am not saying Jesus is not perfect but only pointing out He has to be a perfect King on earth which I should of said King instead of perfect King so someone like you would not take it wrong.
I was only wording it like that perfect King in comparison to human rulership that is imperfect but I should of said King and not perfect King.
Jesus is perfect now and always was perfect and always will be perfect.
The law has to be fulfilled including the roles of Israel which are king, high priest, and prophet, and whatever role has to be fulfilled.
I am not saying Jesus is not perfect but only pointing out He has to be a perfect King on earth which I should of said King instead of perfect King so someone like you would not take it wrong.
I was only wording it like that perfect King in comparison to human rulership that is imperfect but I should of said King and not perfect King.
Jesus is perfect now and always was perfect and always will be perfect.
Your words are written in post #186. Post #190 confirms your believe He is/was imperfect. Showing a preference of your theology over that of God the Son . Not unlike those who worship the creation over the Creator.
You state "The law has to be fulfilled including the roles of Israel which are king, high priest, and prophet, and whatever role has to be fulfilled."
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
You state "The law has to be fulfilled including the roles of Israel which are king, high priest, and prophet, and whatever role has to be fulfilled."
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
By that are you referring of these? If not, which ones?
Hebrews 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Hebrews 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
And/or this
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Philippians 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Hebrews 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Hebrews 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
And/or this
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Philippians 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
With God to rule is to serve. The greatest is the lowest and the servant. If you have children you should have the desire to rule over them fairly(to serve themso that they can make it in life a become good people that will eventually no longer need your rulership over them. People on earth view rulership as someone sitting above others and lording power over them, but heaven talks and views rulership as one person serving others humbly. God is our ruler, and the greatest servant of us all.
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FreeGrace2 said:
The verse says "able to destroy soul". It does not say WILL destroy souls. And there are no other verses that say WILL destroy souls.
What about it? Give me the verse and let's examine what it does say.
I believe exactly what the verses say. All living unbelievers will be killed at the battle of Gog and Magog.
This also indicates to me that only unbelievers will enter the Millennial reign of Christ in mortal bodies. All believers will be resurrected and receive glorified bodies "when He comes" at the Second Advent, which is shown in Rev 20:4,5. Though the text only mentions tribulation martyrs, it's clear from other verses that there will be just ONE resurrection of the saved and it will include ALL believers.
So the phrase "the rest of the dead" in v.5 refers to the unbelievers who have already died. So the ONLY people left to populate the earth during the Tribulation will be unbelievers, those who survive the Tribulation.
The verse says "able to destroy soul". It does not say WILL destroy souls. And there are no other verses that say WILL destroy souls.
What about it? Give me the verse and let's examine what it does say.
I believe exactly what the verses say. All living unbelievers will be killed at the battle of Gog and Magog.
This also indicates to me that only unbelievers will enter the Millennial reign of Christ in mortal bodies. All believers will be resurrected and receive glorified bodies "when He comes" at the Second Advent, which is shown in Rev 20:4,5. Though the text only mentions tribulation martyrs, it's clear from other verses that there will be just ONE resurrection of the saved and it will include ALL believers.
So the phrase "the rest of the dead" in v.5 refers to the unbelievers who have already died. So the ONLY people left to populate the earth during the Tribulation will be unbelievers, those who survive the Tribulation.
FreeGrace2 said:
The saved dead will receive glorified bodies. The unsaved dead will have their physical bodies die again. So they aren't th same in that sense. Not sure what you are referring to.
The saved dead are all the believers who physically died before Jesus Christ returns at the Second Advent.
Remember, all saved people will receive glorified bodies "when He comes" at the Second Advent, both the previously dead and the living believers who "are alive and remain til the coming of the Lord".
The saved dead will receive glorified bodies. The unsaved dead will have their physical bodies die again. So they aren't th same in that sense. Not sure what you are referring to.
The saved dead are all the believers who physically died before Jesus Christ returns at the Second Advent.
Remember, all saved people will receive glorified bodies "when He comes" at the Second Advent, both the previously dead and the living believers who "are alive and remain til the coming of the Lord".
FreeGrace2 said:
All unbelievers will be raised up for the GWT judgment. That is found by reading through Rev 20.
I don't know about any "unjust" that are raised up "when He comes". What verse or passage says this?
What I do know is that only the saved will be resurrected "when He comes", plus the living believers will be changed (glorified).
I'm not aware that any "unjust" will be resurrected until AFTER the Millennial reign and the battle of Gog and Magog.
All unbelievers will be raised up for the GWT judgment. That is found by reading through Rev 20.
I don't know about any "unjust" that are raised up "when He comes". What verse or passage says this?
What I do know is that only the saved will be resurrected "when He comes", plus the living believers will be changed (glorified).
I'm not aware that any "unjust" will be resurrected until AFTER the Millennial reign and the battle of Gog and Magog.
FreeGrace2 said:
Specifically, where are they now? In heaven, on earth? Or where? If on earth, how come no one has ever come across any of these resurrected persons?
Your reply doesn't answer my questions. Can you answer them? Actually, they don't even relate to my questions.
Specifically, where are they now? In heaven, on earth? Or where? If on earth, how come no one has ever come across any of these resurrected persons?
Your reply doesn't answer my questions. Can you answer them? Actually, they don't even relate to my questions.
FreeGrace2 said:
The saved dead will receive glorified bodies. The unsaved dead will have their physical bodies die again. So they aren't th same in that sense. Not sure what you are referring to.
First, the Bible says there will be a resurrecton for the saved and the unsaved. Acts 24:15. John 5:28,29
Revelation calls the lake of fire the "second death". Since we KNOW unbelievers will be resurrected, it will be their physical bodies that will die AGAIN. Hence, a second death.
The saved dead will receive glorified bodies. The unsaved dead will have their physical bodies die again. So they aren't th same in that sense. Not sure what you are referring to.
First, the Bible says there will be a resurrecton for the saved and the unsaved. Acts 24:15. John 5:28,29
Revelation calls the lake of fire the "second death". Since we KNOW unbelievers will be resurrected, it will be their physical bodies that will die AGAIN. Hence, a second death.