Identifying the Spirit of Jezebel

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AnandaHya

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sorry but I must be dense but I don't get the free mason and shriner links to all this. I know alot of both and they are all great men who care for community. most are conservative and would not like what is going on at MorningStar either.
 

zone

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Yay.. Zone.. Short post right?.. We're getting there :D
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yup:D....
 

zone

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sorry but I must be dense but I don't get the free mason and shriner links to all this. I know alot of both and they are all great men who care for community. most are conservative and would not like what is going on at MorningStar either.
error.
(entry level masons do not know - they find out later - oaths are taken...too late then)
extreme danger.
(advice: severe ties immediately...don't say anything)

Jude
Greeting
1 Jude, a servanta of Jesus Christ and brother of James,
To those who are called, beloved in God the Father and kept forb Jesus Christ:
2 May mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.

Judgment on False Teachers
3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who savedc a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,d serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

8 Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones. 9 But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” 10 But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. 11 Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion. 12 These are hidden reefse at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.
14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These are grumblers, malcontents, following their own sinful desires; they are loud-mouthed boasters, showing favoritism to gain advantage.

A Call to Persevere
17 But you must remember, beloved, the predictions of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18 Theyf said to you, “In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.” 19 It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. 20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life. 22 And have mercy on those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garmentg stained by the flesh.

Doxology
24 Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, 25 to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
 

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Matthew 13
The Parable of the Sower
1That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat beside the sea. 2And great crowds gathered about him, so that he got into a boat and sat down. And the whole crowd stood on the beach. 3And he told them many things in parables, saying: “A sower went out to sow. 4And as he sowed, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. 5Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil, 6but when the sun rose they were scorched. And since they had no root, they withered away. 7Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them. 8Other seeds fell on good soil and produced grain, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 9He who has ears,a let him hear.”

The Purpose of the Parables
10Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:

“‘You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.

15 For this people’s heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’

16But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. 17For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

The Parable of the Sower Explained
18“Hear then the parable of the sower: 19When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. 20As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, 21yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away.b 22As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. 23As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”

The Parable of the Weeds
24He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weedsc among the wheat and went away. 26So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. 27And the servantsd of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
 
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So really the question is which woman is guiding the saints to fornicate(physically or spiritually) and bow to idols ...canaanite gods?
Where is this selfappointed prophetess? Who is pulling them from the word of God, to serve other gods.

Ya got to give credit to the false teachers and prophets who are smart enough to glean the major parts of the bible that are there
to expose them and put out best selling books to put a spin on them to their favor.

And to actually find places in scripture that condemn witchcraft and teach witchcraft from them, by just making a statement like this:
"Well we know everything satan does is only a counterfeit of the true way of God" Then make millions in the Christian bookstores helping
believers to lean to "tap into" this witchcraft. And learn to "walk in this annointing" , admitting they learned these things from shamans
and occultists who have had "more experience dealing in the spirit realm" due to the fact Christians have neglected this for so long.

So where is Zezebel?
 

zone

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So really the question is which woman is guiding the saints to fornicate(physically or spiritually) and bow to idols ...canaanite gods?
Where is this selfappointed prophetess? Who is pulling them from the word of God, to serve other gods.

Ya got to give credit to the false teachers and prophets who are smart enough to glean the major parts of the bible that are there to expose them and put out best selling books to put a spin on them to their favor.

And to actually find places in scripture that condemn witchcraft and teach witchcraft from them, by just making a statement like this:
"Well we know everything satan does is only a counterfeit of the true way of God" Then make millions in the Christian bookstores helping believers to lean to "tap into" this witchcraft. And learn to "walk in this annointing" , admitting they learned these things from shamans and occultists who have had "more experience dealing in the spirit realm" due to the fact Christians have neglected this for so long.

So where is Zezebel?

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
 
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sorry but I must be dense but I don't get the free mason and shriner links to
all this. I know alot of both and they are all great men who care for community. most are conservative
and would not like what is going on at MorningStar either.
* I believe the focus of this thread, because of it's title, and a rather popular movement,
names JEZEBEL, then pursues a result rather than a cause.

* The problem is, that you (all) do not seem to want to get to the root of this matter --
THE CULTS, BAAL, HELLENISM - I further suggest that many of these religions now have
been infiltrated and corrupted by this CULT-BAAL-HELLENISM spirit, The Mother Church:

Revelation 17:3
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a
scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy
, having seven heads and ten horns.

* Zone is correct in pointing out the cults

* A good Physic-ian detects early the oncoming disease, and changes the person's
behavior, lifestyle and diet, rather than letting it fester and become terminal or require
amputation

* Notice John is seeing the tolerance of Hellenism, which is rooted in BAAL as the
problem:

Rev. 2:20 "But I have this against you: that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls
herself a prophetess [claiming to be inspired], and who is teaching and leading astray my
servants and beguiling them into practicing sexual vice and eating food sacrificed to
idols."

* Your answer lies in cutting off the source, rooting out the spirit of BAAL, detecting,
correcting or eliminating the cults from your midst.

SPIRIT OF BAAL - II KINGS 10:28 - "Thus Jehu rooted Baal out of Israel."
Ahab and Jezebel are rooted in witchcraft and only the anointing of God roots these
demons out. IT TAKES THE ANOINTING OF GOD TO DESTROY AHAB AND JEZEBEL DEMONS:
ELIJAH, ELISHA, JEHU WERE ALL ANOINTED BY GOD.


* Again, I suggest a thread on the Cults before further discussion on this. It seems like a
blame-game rather than seeking root causes and how to understand and address
them.
This is much to serious a topic without a better foundation -- would you choose a
Physic-ian who has not been trained in your disease or disorder?
The Cults not only
Tolerate Hellenism, they teach and promote and promulgate it!


* AnandaHya - you don't know the cults, the rest seem to want to ignore them.
The teens seem to have a better grasp on this in other forums/threads


* You see the tree is on fire, but refuse to see those creating the sparks just over the hill
 
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Wow D A, Love the humilty and teamwork. Do you have time to edit my posts for me?
 
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AnandaHya

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alright start a thread labeled "cults" DA. I promise to read it ;)
 
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alright start a thread labeled "cults" DA. I promise to read it ;)
This is much to serious a topic without a better foundation ...

This really requires a foundational training that goes back to your (one's) Religion, Doctrine,
Culture, and resultant Mindset. This is why I posted on DOCTRINAL STATEMENTS,
HERMENEUTICS, SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY ... we are not ready for much more.
 
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Abiding

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Well the infantry will hold down the fort, till the special forces gets here i rekon. :)
 
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Well the infantry will hold down the fort, till the special forces gets here i rekon. :)
Infantry? Where? -- Welcome to Fencing 101 -- What? Everyone came without a sword?
Rubber Swords?


Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Luke 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be
fulfilled.

Romans 13:4
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid;
for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute
wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and
is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Revelation 1:16
And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged
sword
: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Revelation 2:16
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of
my mouth.


Revelation 6:4
And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat
thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there
was given unto him a great sword
.

Revelation 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell
followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to
kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.

Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he
shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and
wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:21
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword
proceeded out of his mouth
: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
 
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AnandaHya

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lol DA you can have first choice of cookies for that one ;)

 
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It is sad that there are people in America like Westboro Baptist Church. It is sad there were people in America such as Joseph Smith Jr., Jim Jones, David Koresh, Ellen G. White, and Herbert W. Armstrong. Thank God, most Baptists are more like Billy Graham than like Fred Phelps. I think Pastor Charles Stanley is one of the finer Baptist preachers in America. Not all Baptists are like Westboro Baptist Church. Not all Russian Orthodox priests are like Rasputin.

God save us: Amen. In Erie PA Scott Harrington

In the Bible, Jezebel was a powerful, wicked queen, and wife of a passive king called Ahab. She was a false prophetess who worshiped the false god, Baal. Baal was the god of prosperity, god of the harvests, god of fertility and sex. (Does this sound like some of the modern day gospels that some people preach?)

Child sacrifices were common. She was killed by several eunuchs at the order of commander Jehu.

Jezebel was a witch, and her spirit of witchcraft is still in operation today in the church, and in the world. It will take both a Jehu and the cooperation of the injured victims (spiritual eunuchs) to kill her again.

The Jezebel spirit is sociopathic. Behaviors you might see (3 or more):


1. They gain power by destroying others. It is like an adrenalin rush when they “win” over someone. They manage to get in positions of authority, and are difficult to displace, once there.


2. They are controlling, manipulative, bossy.


3. they can either be war-like in their personalities, so that they are intimidating,

or
so “sweet,” “perfect,” deceitful, “timid” and sneaky, they are able to fool and recruit others to join them. Sometimes they can be very charming and charismatic.

4. critical of others, vicious to the point of bloodthristy.


5. they are never wrong.


6. They recruit others in their charges against their victims. They act to persuade recruits, and do not give up this activity until the recruits are won over. If the potential recruits do not cooperate and buy into things, this angers them.



7. they are narcissic. While they can tend to be oversensitive themselves, they have no concern for the feelings of others. They are not sympathetic to their victims, and tend to play the role of victim themselves, in order to gain sympathy. This way the real victim is left stranded, and opposed by others if they ask for help. Being the center of attention really pleases them.


8. they lie, and they believe their own lie. Avoiding the truth, or intentionally acting to withhold truth is part of this. false picture is presented to others.


9. impulsive, failure to plan ahead. chaotic at times


10. lack of remorse after hurting someone. they justify the harm.


11. consistent irresponsibility.


12. irritability, aggressiveness (open , or subtle), can be quick tempered.


13. failure to conform to social norms. person is an “outlier” or non-conformist. has their own ways.


14. psychological counseling will not help, since they deny what they are.


15. claims to religious sentiments, but very superficial in devotion. Born-again status is debatable, and unlikely, but would have to be evaluated on an individual basis.


16. usually women, but can be men. The women tend to control their men with sex. And they pick passive men (
Ahabs) so they can dominate them.

17. They falsely accuse you, and they do NOT forgive you …..




How to break this spirit:




**since these individuals usually have achieved some level of authority, only someone who outranks them, or a group effort will work. If you are a woman, you need to strong and self confident. If you are a man, you need to be the same, and also not be influenced by threats or tears out of a woman. You also need to have enough male hormone to stand up to her. Also, if you are a man, and this is your wife, be sure the men in your support group can be trusted with her.


1. be sure you are not enabling this person; ie. you are not an “Ahab”


2. gather facts about the person’s activity and behavior, be able to
prove it. you have to start by addressing real behavior. you cannot start by telling someone “they have a spirit.” Be prepared to question the person why they behave that way. Make a list of wrongs. Be prepared.

3. gather witnesses, who are also sincere believers (if in a church setting), or other credible authority figures, because the person will attack back, and deny everything. The aggressive types will use their authority to abuse, criticize, & threaten you, and try to have you discredited, or removed. The more sneaky types go into “victim hood” mode, immediately trying to solicit and recruit support, and make you look like you are the abusive one.



4. isolate the person. make sure their own recruits (buddies) are not around. It gets its power from others….so if you get it alone, it is more vulnerable, and more easily defeated. You have to remove the source of its power and “gang up” on it.


5. confront the person with the facts. – expect denial. They will lie through their teeth!!


6. Reject the person’s behavior based on the facts. Tell the person they will not be accepted back into the group unless they repent.


7. If the person repents – showing willingness to change- then


a. Church setting – as a group, bind and cast out the demonic spirit in Jesus name, and persist until it is gone. Expect high resistance, since it is a controlling (witch) spirit. There will be screaming and yelling before it is cast out. It will try to attack you and call you names. Also, expect and ignore plays of “victim hood” during deliverance. Sometimes the spirit cycles between being the attacker, and being a victim. This is to confuse you, so do not give in.


b. secular setting – document records, give warning that future behavior will be monitored. This is because their basic nature has not changed yet, and an eventual repeat of behavior will occur. If it does, the person needs to be fired.

8. Once the spirit is gone, the person needs support and counseling to examine how the spirit entered to begin with, so they can close the door on further attempts by the spirit to enter.



9. If the person does NOT repent, then cut off ties with the person, telling them forgiveness and deliverance is available to them. If you do not cut off ties, they will worry you to death and destroy your peace.


As one commenter stated: The Jezebel needs to learn the meaning of the word “
NO!!!!!!!!!“
 
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lol DA you can have first choice of cookies for that one ;)
Jeremiah 7:18
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough,
to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that
they may provoke me to anger.
 
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It is sad that there are people in America like Westboro Baptist Church. It is sad there were people in America such as Joseph Smith Jr., Jim Jones, David Koresh, Ellen G. White, and Herbert W. Armstrong. Thank God, most Baptists are more like Billy Graham than like Fred Phelps. I think Pastor Charles Stanley is one of the finer Baptist preachers in America. Not all Baptists are like Westboro Baptist Church. Not all Russian Orthodox priests are like Rasputin.

God save us: Amen. In Erie PA Scott Harrington

Let's start a separate thread on the Baptists. Billy Graham and company (Michael W.
Smith, Anne Graham Lotz, Frankling Graham etc.) have their own issues as does Charles
Stanley. This seems to have nothing to do with this thread -- RED HERRING!



I think Pastor Charles Stanley is one of the finer Baptist
preachers in America. Not all Baptists are like Westboro Baptist Church. Not all Russian
Orthodox priests are like Rasputin.
Not in MY Church, just because it is a pattern and recurring all over the world?? Get out of
your McReligion and Churchianity and come to Jesus - THE WAY -- The EKKLESIA -- CALLED
OUT.
 
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Jeremiah 7:18
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough,
to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that
they may provoke me to anger.
hey if you didn't want any cookies you could have just said so. Point in fact I don't consider you a god.
 

zone

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Jeremiah 7:18
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough,
to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that
they may provoke me to anger.
DA this is kinda web bot Lectio Divina with a twist of lemon.
not every comment has an application bud:D

"judas hung himself"?

 
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DA this is kinda web bot Lectio Divina with a twist of lemon.
not every comment has an application bud:D

"judas hung himself"?

Wrong again!

I don't participate in Lectio Divina and am not a Catholic or part of the Third
Order (regular). Take a look at the record. I teach Hermeneutics, Systematic Theology,
Warn against Logical Fallacy and Defense Mechanisms, and posted to encourage all to
develop their own Doctrinal Statements and teach against the heresies of False Religions
and that Jesus is THE WAY. That's about as whole as it gets (left out the exegesis - again,
you are not ready for that).

MICHAEL - M = 1000, I = 1, C = 100, L = 50 -->> 1000 + 1 + 100 + 50 == 1151
MICHAL - ..M = 1000, I = 1, C = 100, L = 50 -->> 1000 + 1 + 100 + 50 == 1151

You just are not deep enough Zone, you only think your pseudo-intellectualism and ad
hominem is a cover for your Zoroastrian Culture. Stick with the issues, stick with
scripture.


 

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Oh wow. MY ex is the male version of Jezebel. According to #16 that is