The Heresy of Perfectionism

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When we stand in front of Christ on judgment day. No matter who we are. All we will have to offer god is glasses of water contaminated with urine. If Jesus has not washed our cups with his blood. We will be doomed forever. Because God will reject our glass. If Jesus has washed our glasses. We get in. Not because our cup was worthy. But because of what Jesus did./ he washed us white as snow.
If we keep peeing in the cup after it has been cleansed we will not be received
 
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I still did not see proof where zone said what he said she did. Why is he hiding?

can only guess slander and false accusations dont bother some.
Its hapenned to me. after i apologised, i felt better :)
 
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If we keep peeing in the cup after it has been cleansed we will not be received
Then you are teaching a gospel of works. It takes work not to sin. You are placing yourself under law. Which is a false gospel.
 
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can only guess slander and false accusations dont bother some.
Its hapenned to me. after i apologised, i felt better :)
lol some people are always right.. And refuse to admit when they are wrong. Go figure.
 
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can only guess slander and false accusations dont bother some.
Its hapenned to me. after i apologised, i felt better :)
It would only be false if she didnt teach doctrine of demons. By her own admission she is a reformed, calvinist, ceasationalist, amillennialist that believes that christians can remain in sin. All of these are doctrines of devils. She will admit to believing these things.
 
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Then you are teaching a gospel of works. It takes work not to sin. You are placing yourself under law. Which is a false gospel.
Actually all it take is yielding to Christ.

1st John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
 
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It would only be false if she didnt teach doctrine of demons. By her own admission she is a reformed, calvinist, ceasationalist, amillennialist that believes that christians can remain in sin. All of these are doctrines of devils. She will admit to believing these things.
I have never seen her teach a christian can remain in sin. We asked for prove, you have yet to give it. So I must assume your a false accuser of the bretheren. which is sin. Repent!! or you might get kicked out of heaven! (Pun intended)
 
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Actually all it take is yielding to Christ.

1st John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
That does not gaurantee will will be sinless from now till the day we die.

Face it. Saying we must be sinnless is saying we are back under law. You want to get to heaven by the law. try it. Feel free to Give God a glass with urine in it. see where it gets you (and you said I did not understand what you were saying)


not to mention. You missed the most important part of what I said.



Sanctification teaches that as the half full person grows in Christ more water is added, and the glass starts to look more like the glass full of water. Where as the person who was represented by the full glass of water realize they actually had more urin than just a drop. and they to strive to make it a full glass of water.


Pride says you will get there. Humility realizes you never will.
 
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Originally Posted by 4runner

If we keep peeing in the cup after it has been cleansed we will not be received
Then you are teaching a gospel of works. It takes work not to sin. You are placing yourself under law. Which is a false gospel.
God says in His word....
Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
And I agree.

According to this means the Lord teaches a works salvation
 
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That does not gaurantee will will be sinless from now till the day we die.
Guarantee??? Who said anything about guarantees?

I believe we can live sinlessly, but that doesn't necessarily mean we will, and when we mess up God is not angry, He loves us and wants to restore us. We as fellow believers need to have this same heart toward one another, not judging and nic picking everything we each do.
 
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Face it. Saying we must be sinnless is saying we are back under law.
Once again you are putting words in peoples mouth. No one ever said anything about you MUST live sinlessly. I said we are able to through the indwelling Christ, and empowerment of the Holy Spirit. Not that we must.
 
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It would only be false if she didnt teach doctrine of demons. By her own admission she is a reformed, calvinist, ceasationalist, amillennialist that believes that christians can remain in sin. All of these are doctrines of devils. She will admit to believing these things.

Really? well to me they are major group titles to give me a heads up on kinda where she is.
Ill have to get to know her more without ANY presumptions to know her and what she believes
because there are variations in all those titles.
 
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God says in His word....
Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
And I agree.

According to this means the Lord teaches a works salvation
Typical tactic of those who teach a false doctrine post part of the truth!

14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21And having an high priest over the house of God;
22Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.



you want to put yourself back under law
 
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Typical tactic of those who teach a false doctrine post part of the truth!

14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21And having an high priest over the house of God;
22Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.



you want to put yourself back under law
Somehow this passage is supposed to cancel out the truth from the passage I posted?????????

Talk about a false teacher.

The more you harden your heart denying the truth, the closer you become to being apostate.
 
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hypocritical about what 4 runner?
 
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Hebrews is a book few people understand. First the name of the book should be questioned.
Then why is it any different to us than a Hebrew. After that it can at least be studied.