The Heresy of Perfectionism
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SAID SO! ...
Your post from Spurgeon on Justifcation is void. Sproul is in Question for his office.
What I have seen in this thread (that I can remember):
* No one can be perfect
* We are called to be perfect
* I am not perfect, but I can work on it ...
* Blah, Blah, Blah
* Goo-Goo, Gah-Gah
* more verses without context or depth
* Office or Station as a hindrance
* Romans Chapter 7
* Philippians Chapter 3
* Blah, Blah, Blah
* Goo-Goo, Gah-Gah
* more verses without context or depth
* 24 words for perfect
* Blah, Blah, Blah
* Goo-Goo, Gah-Gah
* more verses without context or depth
* Spurgeon on Justification / imputed righteousness
* Blah, Blah, Blah
* Goo-Goo, Gah-Gah
* more verses without context or depth
* imputed righteousness
* Justification
* Sanctification
* Regeneration
* Forgiveness
* New Walk
* Covenant, -- Abrahamic, or Noah, or Sharia, or Adamic, or Jehovah, Satan, ELOI, ELI ...
* ??substitutionary atonement??
* Blah, Blah, Blah
* Goo-Goo, Gah-Gah
* more verses without context or depth
* Calvin - Total Depravity (have not seen that yet, I alluded to it)
* Mormon Perfectionism - denial of original sin (I alluded to it)
* Pelagian heresy (have not seen that yet, I alluded to it)
* Booth - Salvation Army (have not seen that yet)
* Blah, Blah, Blah
* Goo-Goo, Gah-Gah
* more verses without context or depth
I agree, there is more to say ... but a Masters Student in Theology would
need no more than 5 pages to elucidate the doctrine - some Professors might only allow
one page ... John's letters were sort of that way too - concise. too much Opinion, too
many off topic conversations, too much bickering, too many verses that apply to other
things, or are not enough in and of themselves ... it's your thread ... press on, I would not
say the topic has been covered at all, just saying it should have been by now.
And again, by way of encouragement and constructive criticism:
* You are a bit deeper than many here.
* Thus, the subjects you bring up and discuss are deep and important ones.
* Many contributors to any topic mean an almost necessary convolution apart from rigor
* Many topics brought up in conversation could or should or need to be their own thread
* A frame of reference, proposed outline, Key words, words to keep people on topic,
periodic review, and summary, would all aid the discussion.
Literature teachers who teach - stream of consciousness technique - would love you, I am
sure
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Oh like you do? You should study more. You not very versed on the gospel.
1. Eternal life is eternal not conditional
2. We are saved by grace, through FAITH. not because of works. Not because of rightious things we have done. Not because we are good enough. or are not bad enough.
3. We are saved, Made clean. Washed by the blood of the lamb.
You say you believe this. But you do not teach it. I do believe God can open your eyes though. But you have to let him. He wont force you
1. Eternal life is eternal not conditional
2. We are saved by grace, through FAITH. not because of works. Not because of rightious things we have done. Not because we are good enough. or are not bad enough.
3. We are saved, Made clean. Washed by the blood of the lamb.
You say you believe this. But you do not teach it. I do believe God can open your eyes though. But you have to let him. He wont force you
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let me talk very slowly. IF you are able to show that your understanding of God's word is in line with what GOD really teaches, then you will get less contention and argument from people.
you see Zone does not define "five fold ministry" as such but there are pastors and heretics in the world who define it as she has posted.
she thinks you are one of them. I'm not so sure and would rather hear what you believe the term 5 fold ministry according to the Bible and revelation from God.
would you care to explain your understanding of the term?
this might be a mistake to even ask but then my friends and family tell me I tend to believe the good in people even if it makes me look foolish and naive. I'd rather think they will listen to God's voice and walk in the Light of His love and truth then the lies Satan whispers in their ears.
you see Zone does not define "five fold ministry" as such but there are pastors and heretics in the world who define it as she has posted.
she thinks you are one of them. I'm not so sure and would rather hear what you believe the term 5 fold ministry according to the Bible and revelation from God.
would you care to explain your understanding of the term?
this might be a mistake to even ask but then my friends and family tell me I tend to believe the good in people even if it makes me look foolish and naive. I'd rather think they will listen to God's voice and walk in the Light of His love and truth then the lies Satan whispers in their ears.
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lol. Keep thinking that my friend. You will get a rude awakening one day, when you stand in front of God and demand he let you in because you have lived this righteous life and he says depart from me for he never knew you. Because he offered you grace, and you rejected it and tried to work your own way by being good. Then, as a man proclaiming to be a minister of his word. you are doubly judged for leading many to the pits of hell with you.
There how does it feel to be judged?
Judge not lest you be judged my friend!
There how does it feel to be judged?
Judge not lest you be judged my friend!
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I am not all knowing. There are many things I need to learn. But the most important thing I will ever need to know (the gospel which saves me) I am very versed on. I grew up with men like you. I know how you think and what you believe. that is how I picked you out when you came on here. I heard it all before.
Zone doesnt think some are pastor and others are heretics, she thinks there are no apostle or prophets at all, but God's word says.
Ephesians 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
With that said, let me ask you this. Do you think the Church has come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ?
Ephesians 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
With that said, let me ask you this. Do you think the Church has come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ?