In the course of your extensive explanations as to why you believe the earth is flat, have you ever convinced anyone you are correct?No conspiracy here - just bible discussion, right?
In the course of your extensive explanations as to why you believe the earth is flat, have you ever convinced anyone you are correct?No conspiracy here - just bible discussion, right?
I have convinced many people God created the flat earth; those who still worship NASA are another fable.In the course of your extensive explanations as to why you believe the earth is flat, have you ever convinced anyone you are correct?
I see your post as spherical, rather than flat. In other words, you seem adept at circular reasoning. Also, this post you answered, was not addressed to you.I have convinced many people God created the flat earth; those who still worship NASA are another fable.
That's a factually strong argument. Adam was created as an adult, created in fully mature form.That's a philosophically weak argument.
It doesn't matter. The truth stands by itself, whether or not people believe it. Given that many of those I engage with on this subject are paid shills, I don't expect to convice these. Moreso, it is those who read the shill responses, and determine that the shill defence arguments in support of the unscriptural heliocentric belief are weaker than they realised when they were indoctrinated with them in school.In the course of your extensive explanations as to why you believe the earth is flat, have you ever convinced anyone you are correct?
This is not an analogous argument. God makes clear He created Adam as an adult, and there was no deception - He created a fully mature, functioning, adult man.That's a factually strong argument. Adam was created as an adult, created in fully mature form.
Ken Ham is inconsistent of his treatment of evolutionism and heliocentricity. He is correct in his dealing with the theory of evolution. He should deal with the heliocentric theory in the same way, and give scripture precedence.Ken Ham (of Answers in Genesis) is a young-earth creationist and a staunch anti-evolutionist; yet he believes the Earth is spherical.
Since truth stands on it’s on, why try so hard to convince everyone that you alone are correct? Your persistent diatribe borders on arrogance.It doesn't matter. The truth stands by itself, whether or not people believe it. Given that many of those I engage with on this subject are paid shills, I don't expect to convice these. Moreso, it is those who read the shill responses, and determine that the shill defence arguments in support of the unscriptural heliocentric belief are weaker than they realised when they were indoctrinated with them in school.
This is not an analogous argument. God makes clear He created Adam as an adult, and there was no deception - He created a fully mature, functioning, adult man.
In contrast, to believe that God created photons of light millions of light years away on their way to Earth requires either that the stars do not exist (e.g. God only created some 10,000 or 20,000 years worth of photons), or that stars' behaviour as it truly occurs will never be observed on Earth (at least not for millions of years). This is the same type of argument as claiming that God created fossils in place within the ground, rather than that He created the animals and they were subsequently fossilised in some catastrophic event (e.g. the Great Flood). The latter belief is consistent with scripture, the former little more than a just-so story, with neither scriptural nor scientific support.
How do you explain the stars falling from the sky in Revelation? According to your theory (consistently applied), the photons of light for this were already set in place some 7,000 - 10,000 years ago, when God declared the creation "very good".
Ken Ham is inconsistent of his treatment of evolutionism and heliocentricity. He is correct in his dealing with the theory of evolution. He should deal with the heliocentric theory in the same way, and give scripture precedence.
So much of Revelation is metaphorical, as is the case here.How do you explain the stars falling from the sky in Revelation? According to your theory (consistently applied), the photons of light for this were already set in place some 7,000 - 10,000 years ago, when God declared the creation "very good".
I don't see anyone getting upset. Shaking their heads in astonishment perhaps. Ball Earth does not depend on NASA, though it is possible to use evidence from NASA sources to demonstrate that the Earth is not flat.Here's my question: why do people get so upset at the thought that the earth might be flat? Is it because then if it's true they think they'll be looked at as a looney if they believe it? I don't consider myself a flat earther cuz I haven't been convinced yet, but I will say I trust NASA about as much as I trust hospitals. Or less.
I would love to hear compelling and intelligent answers to that question. I have been asking that among the Christian community for 8 years now without getting an answer that holds water. If I asked "does the Bible support the idea that we live on a motionless plane, with the Sun, Moon, and stars circling around us, I would expect a flurry of Bible verses, since they are there. Going to bed now, but look forward to reading replies tomorrow.
lol you haven't corrected anything or proven nothing, because the sun is also orbiting a black hole.That's a philosophically weak argument. Sure, God could have done it. The question that must be asked (as a scientist/theologian) is why would God put photons of light in place to indicate something that never happened? It would appear to have the intention of deception, and deception is not a characteristic of our God. It would be the same as the argument that God put dinosaur fossils in the Earth to test the faith of man, when dinosaurs never existed. Possible, but not aligned with the character of our God ('though very much aligned with the character of a wanna-be god who Christians are not ignorant of).
To repeat, although this can be an argument to explain the millions of light-years if one assumes a heliocentric universe, given the lack of scriptural or scientific support for a heliocentric universe, the simpler, more scientific approach is to reject heliocentricity outright. If heliocentricity is false, there is no need for stars to be millions of light-years away, and therefore, no need for the philosophically weak argument that God placed photons so far away to indicate events that never happened.
This also fits better with the Revelation scripture where the stars will fall from the sky. How can we see stars fall from the sky, if they're millions of light years away, and we don't have millions of years to wait to see them? Answer: Heliocentricity is wrong, and the stars are pretty close - certainly less than one light day away.
Good argument. Only thing is the Earth is accelerating, according to the Heliocentric theory. A constant speed around the sun is not a constant velocity. The Earth is accelerating, as it's velocity is changing. Remember velocity is a vector quantity, speed is a scalar quantity. Although the Earth's speed might be argued to be constant in Heliocentric theory, it's velocity most certainly is not. Hence Earth is accelerating (in Heliocentric theory).
Are you from Jupiter, given that this post appears to be made of the same stuff as its atmosphere? (Heliocentrically speaking).
Do you have the evidence to support the extra-ordinary claim that Earth can be viewed from space?
Is this not what we observe? Is this not what scripture records God did for Joshua, when God stopped the sun?
Do you know that these are all examples of the false cause logical fallacy?
Nor does Scripture assert that the earth is flat, so you lack consistency.Why do you think I'm trying hard? I'm simply countering false ideas as and when I see them, and barely putting effort in at
all. Scripture is correct, and scripture makes no reference to Heliocentric theory (or Evolutionary theory, for that matter).
There are more than one space agency besides NASA. Perhaps those that believe in a flat earth worship the Flat Earth Society? Is this a fair statement as well?I have convinced many people God created the flat earth; those who still worship NASA are another fable.