The Heresy of Perfectionism
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I like Indian's idea of giving because they gave in order for people to use it to live not with the concept of ownership but the world view of stewardship for the future generation. the idea is that you didn't take it back but you need the use so you used it and when someone else needed to use the same thing then they were given it for just asking with the underlying understanding that when they were in need it would be provided. it is not their fault that Europeans came in with the mentality, "its mine, because I deserve it and you are foolish enough to give it to me freely, therefore what is yours is mine and what is mine is mine"
sorry off topic but anyways
sorry off topic but anyways
There's alot of speculation about the term 'Indian Giving'. It would be probably best to leave it alone and use something else to describe what is meant by the term. In any case, 'eternally-grateful' should not be condemned for using that term as he has, because he probably meant the meaning of the term and not the ones behind it.
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Exactly. I scarcely think that there's many of us Canucks that don't have some North American Indian blood running thru our veins. I know for certain that I do. Gots me some French and Scottish too 
None of it matters because I know EG is not an ill intended person in any regards whatsoever. He belongs to Christ
None of it matters because I know EG is not an ill intended person in any regards whatsoever. He belongs to Christ
Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
Nah. I just refuse to believe your truth. And refuse to worship your God. who is an indian giver
Nah. I just refuse to believe your truth. And refuse to worship your God. who is an indian giver
Asking a question that says.............Can/God .........is an oxymoron.
I dont dance for a living
I dont dance for a living
This is the point of this whole thread. Can God perfect His people in this life? Yes or No.
If yes then why do you kick against the pricks?
If No then.......................?
Pray for the Native Americans, that they will forsake their false gods, worshipping of the creature more than the Creator. Pray for them, that the Lord Jesus will reveal himself to them and they will come to the saving knowledge and put their trust in the Lord and dedicate their entire lives to serving the one true and mighty God, holy, righteous, eternal, immortal, our King, the only King. Pray for them please
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THE NEW APOSTLES [and perfectionism]
.....There is a great push these days to make us believe that the literal rapture, into the clouds, is an unbiblical teaching, and I suspect that this push originates in the Illuminatists/Freemasons (secretly) among us. Instead of the mortal becoming immortal thanks be to a rapture at the Appearance of Christ, Latter-Rain "prophets" are claiming that God's people will be transformed while still on earth, gradually taking on powerful, amazing bodies in order to empower the revival and conversion of the world. Paul Cain of the Kansas-City prophets expects us to be walking through walls soon, etc., apart from the rapture! This is the "Manifest Sons of God" doctrine currently promoted not only by his group of wayward seers, but by several con-artist tele-evangelists. The idea being passed off is that we are supposed to be achieving a spiritual-godhood condition as of now. Christians who disagree or do not conform are even now being accused of being anti-Holy-Spirit and, of course, the anti-Christ! But did you know that "Manifest Sons" is a phrase found in Rosicrucianism?
Upon studying the spirituality of Rosicrucianism, you will find that they apply a spiritual alchemy. Alchemy was at first the Rosicrucian quest to turn common metals into gold (note that recently the Latter-Rain charismatic leaders began claiming that silver fillings in teeth were turned to gold by God!!!) When the chemical process proved to be impossible, the Rosicrucians, to save face, claimed that their true alchemy was a "chemical process" of the soul in which it undergoes a transformation from the common state to "pure gold," as it were, until the inner being achieves a God-like condition. The Latter-Rain charismatics are teaching the very same! But the Bible teaches that we will not be so changed until the rapture in the clouds (see 1 Corinthians 15). And the apostle John said:
The reality is that demons act in Latter-Rain groups while posing as the Holy Spirit. Those who have left the straight way of Christ--apostates--are the mediums through which the demons act to give the impression that Manifest-Sons revival is under way. In the meantime, demons attempt to pollute, confuse, and deceive the Elect. Among the "great evangelists" through whom this terrible work has occurred was William Branham (mid-20th century). The fabulously wealthy Morris Cerullo is an example of one still alive.
It is noteworthy that the miracle-working Branham and, a half-century earlier, the "father of healing revivalism in America," John Dowie, had both accepted the title of "Elijah" for themselves. Dowie claimed, as any typical cult of the time had, that his movement was the restoration of the Apostles, of which he was the first in modern times. Branham went further and proclaimed himself an angel in the Book of Revelation!
The New Apostles
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it appears the author holds to a future millennial view which i do not.
the link is provided to inform of the cults of the New Apostles.
in my opinion, this is the greatest problem we are facing in the church today.
i am reading reports everywhere of new church gov't systems being forced into place in some denominations (i.e: Calvary Chapel denominations)
the deacons and pastor-teachers are being forced out.
the only solution to this problem is to understand that God is NOT sending new prophets and apostles.
if you're facing this in your church, you're going to be asked to sign an oath of loyalty to the new leadership.
.....There is a great push these days to make us believe that the literal rapture, into the clouds, is an unbiblical teaching, and I suspect that this push originates in the Illuminatists/Freemasons (secretly) among us. Instead of the mortal becoming immortal thanks be to a rapture at the Appearance of Christ, Latter-Rain "prophets" are claiming that God's people will be transformed while still on earth, gradually taking on powerful, amazing bodies in order to empower the revival and conversion of the world. Paul Cain of the Kansas-City prophets expects us to be walking through walls soon, etc., apart from the rapture! This is the "Manifest Sons of God" doctrine currently promoted not only by his group of wayward seers, but by several con-artist tele-evangelists. The idea being passed off is that we are supposed to be achieving a spiritual-godhood condition as of now. Christians who disagree or do not conform are even now being accused of being anti-Holy-Spirit and, of course, the anti-Christ! But did you know that "Manifest Sons" is a phrase found in Rosicrucianism?
Upon studying the spirituality of Rosicrucianism, you will find that they apply a spiritual alchemy. Alchemy was at first the Rosicrucian quest to turn common metals into gold (note that recently the Latter-Rain charismatic leaders began claiming that silver fillings in teeth were turned to gold by God!!!) When the chemical process proved to be impossible, the Rosicrucians, to save face, claimed that their true alchemy was a "chemical process" of the soul in which it undergoes a transformation from the common state to "pure gold," as it were, until the inner being achieves a God-like condition. The Latter-Rain charismatics are teaching the very same! But the Bible teaches that we will not be so changed until the rapture in the clouds (see 1 Corinthians 15). And the apostle John said:
"Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we shall be has not yet been manifested. We know that when [Jesus] is manifested, we shall be[come] like him. And everyone having this hope purifies himself..." (1 John 3:2-3)
There is a big difference between purifying ourselves from worldly norms while we wait patiently for Jesus to transform us suddenly at His appearance, and becoming slowly like little gods while we transform the world to Christ apart from His appearance.
The reality is that demons act in Latter-Rain groups while posing as the Holy Spirit. Those who have left the straight way of Christ--apostates--are the mediums through which the demons act to give the impression that Manifest-Sons revival is under way. In the meantime, demons attempt to pollute, confuse, and deceive the Elect. Among the "great evangelists" through whom this terrible work has occurred was William Branham (mid-20th century). The fabulously wealthy Morris Cerullo is an example of one still alive.
It is noteworthy that the miracle-working Branham and, a half-century earlier, the "father of healing revivalism in America," John Dowie, had both accepted the title of "Elijah" for themselves. Dowie claimed, as any typical cult of the time had, that his movement was the restoration of the Apostles, of which he was the first in modern times. Branham went further and proclaimed himself an angel in the Book of Revelation!
The New Apostles
~
it appears the author holds to a future millennial view which i do not.
the link is provided to inform of the cults of the New Apostles.
in my opinion, this is the greatest problem we are facing in the church today.
i am reading reports everywhere of new church gov't systems being forced into place in some denominations (i.e: Calvary Chapel denominations)
the deacons and pastor-teachers are being forced out.
the only solution to this problem is to understand that God is NOT sending new prophets and apostles.
if you're facing this in your church, you're going to be asked to sign an oath of loyalty to the new leadership.