WHY DO A LOT OF CHRISTIANS EAT PORK, BACON, AND HAM, WHEN GOD FORBADE EATING SWINE MEAT?

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RaceRunner

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6 Every beast that divideth the hoof in two parts, and cheweth the cud, you shall eat. 7 But of them that chew the cud, but divide not the hoof, you shall not eat, such as the camel, the hare, and the cherogril: because they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof, they shall be unclean to you. 8 The swine also, because it divideth the hoof, but cheweth not the cud, shall be unclean, their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. 9 These shall you eat of all that abide in the waters: All that have fins and scales, you shall eat. 10 Such as are without fins and scales, you shall not eat, because they are unclean.
 
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Gojira

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Not under this aspect of the law anymore. The NT is quite clear on this. To introduce this sends red flags all over the place.

Now, if your desire to not eat a certain food is because of some practical health concern you have, or due to personal taste, you are free as a Christian to make that choice. But, NO ONE who is born again is obligated to obey the ceremonial law anymore.

Do you make sacrifices, too? Do you believe men have be circumcised to be right with God?

I didn't think so.
 

Lynx

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Do you make sacrifices, too? Do you believe men have be circumcised to be right with God?

I didn't think so.
Also, do you keep a wooden paddle as a sword sheath and use it to dig a hole to poop in? That's in the Bible too, but we don't follow it.
 

Dino246

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To the thread title...

Bacon.

Additional reason:

We aren't under the law.
 

Dino246

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There's a difference between the moral law, which we are still bound to, and the ceremonial law.
There is no passage of Scripture supporting this theory. ;)

There is Scripture that refutes it, in Galatians 3:10 and James 2:10.

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” (emphasis added, of course)

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
 

Mem

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Also, do you keep a wooden paddle as a sword sheath and use it to dig a hole to poop in? That's in the Bible too, but we don't follow it.
Would you be interested in starting a holey digger revival?
 
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Gojira

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There is no passage of Scripture supporting this theory. ;)

There is Scripture that refutes it, in Galatians 3:10 and James 2:10.

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” (emphasis added, of course)

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
We are under the moral law simply because it reflects the character of God, and the holiness we are supposed to strive for.

The foods that were considered unclean were now, in the time of Peter, considered clean. Circumcision is no longer a spiritual requirement. That aspect of the law is no longer relevant to us.
 

Mem

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No thanks. Call me an infidel if you wanna, but I'm just not that holey.
the holiness we are supposed to strive for.
I found an article discussing the definition of holiness and might've saved it but I'm a coffee short of the ambition to search for it atm. Of course, I liked it because it supported my notion of holiness which basically is that we can't be any more or less holy than a vessel set apart for a specific purpose. For example, the lamppost isn't less holy because it ran out of oil, or the table of showbread isn't less holy because it was taken out of the temple. I don't even think it can cease being holy even if it is defiled.
 

Lynx

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I found an article discussing the definition of holiness and might've saved it but I'm a coffee short of the ambition to search for it atm. Of course, I liked it because it supported my notion of holiness which basically is that we can't be any more or less holy than a vessel set apart for a specific purpose. For example, the lamppost isn't less holy because it ran out of oil, or the table of showbread isn't less holy because it was taken out of the temple. I don't even think it can cease being holy even if it is defiled.
Holiness can be a good thing... In moderation. Holey-ness, not so much.

I've heard of churches where they handle snakes and drink poison to prove their faith. I've heard of churches where they only wear white shirts, no colored shirts. I've heard of churches that forbid musical instruments. But I've never yet heard of a church that shuns indoor plumbing and says you gotta carry a shovel to go poop. :p
 
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I found an article discussing the definition of holiness and might've saved it but I'm a coffee short of the ambition to search for it atm. Of course, I liked it because it supported my notion of holiness which basically is that we can't be any more or less holy than a vessel set apart for a specific purpose. For example, the lamppost isn't less holy because it ran out of oil, or the table of showbread isn't less holy because it was taken out of the temple. I don't even think it can cease being holy even if it is defiled.
Well then, adultery and theft, here I come!!
 
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I agree with Gideon300.

Gentiles weren't given the Law of Moses which was given by God solely to the Children of Israel by Covenant. There are 613 mitzvot or commands in it derived from Torah. Rather, they were given the Noahide Law. Any Orthodox Rabbi worth their salt can affirm this.

The New Covenant of Jesus Christ (born under the Law of Moses) subsumed some but not all of the Old Covenant, thus the doing away of the dietary rules.

para . . . .
 

Dino246

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We are under the moral law simply because it reflects the character of God, and the holiness we are supposed to strive for.

The foods that were considered unclean were now, in the time of Peter, considered clean. Circumcision is no longer a spiritual requirement. That aspect of the law is no longer relevant to us.
I disagree... given that there is no Scripture telling us which specific commands are "moral" and which are not, and that we are to operate by the guidance of the Holy Spirit rather than by the letter, I don't believe that "we are under the moral law" holds water.
 
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Gojira

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I disagree... given that there is no Scripture telling us which specific commands are "moral" and which are not, and that we are to operate by the guidance of the Holy Spirit rather than by the letter, I don't believe that "we are under the moral law" holds water.
Perhaps you're right. I'll start murdering and stealing immediately.
 
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Gojira

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For the record folks, I'm not saying that we get saved by obeying the moral law. I am saying that if we are saved, we ought to demonstrate our repentance by doing so.
 

Lynx

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There's a difference between the moral law, which we are still bound to, and the ceremonial law.
Here's a hint: Start with the part where God said He will write his laws in our hearts. ;)
 

Dino246

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For the record folks, I'm not saying that we get saved by obeying the moral law. I am saying that if we are saved, we ought to demonstrate our repentance by doing so.
So please tell us where in Scripture to find this alleged "moral law".
 
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Gojira

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So please tell us where in Scripture to find this alleged "moral law".
Are you saying that do not murder, do not steal, do not commit adultery, etc., are okay to disobey and indulge in? Do you think it's okay to break these and sin, so that grace may abound more?

I do not know of any verse that specifically states that "we are still under the moral law". But, to suggest that we are not to still make the moral law part of our lives is to say that it is permissible to break it. That is heresy.

You obey these commandments because, as James says, we show our faith by what we do. What do you think he meant?

Jesus told us to love our neighbors as ourselves, because that, and love God with all your heart, summed up the commandments.