The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[reneweddaybyday]

so all for whom Christ died,are by that death alone dead to the curse of the Law

... you continue to suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18).

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Ps 106:10

And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them, and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy.

... another example of you ripping a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture placed it in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.

Psalm 106:10 refers to the time when God brought the children of Israel out of Egypt:

Psalm 106:

9 He rebuked the Red sea also, and it was dried up: so he led them through the depths, as through the wilderness.

10 And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them, and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy.

11 And the waters covered their enemies: there was not one of them left.

12 Then believed they his words; they sang his praise.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.

Isa 63:9

read the next verse, brightfame52:

Isaiah 63:

8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.

9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

For many unlearned men would make a difference in being saved and being redeemed, they are the same !, just stated differently !

they are not "the same !"

God has a purpose for every thing He says ...

For you to come along and claim with absolutely no Scriptural support at all that "being saved" and "being redeemed" are the "same !" just shows your ignorance and "many unlearned men" just like you probably believe "they are the same !, just stated differently !" because they do not care to find out what the Author of Scripture means when He says "saved" or when He says "redeemed".

You are one of the many you regard as "unlearned men".

None whom Christ died for shall ever hear these words directed towards them as some will Matt 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

again ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... the whole world.

Let's just see who will "hear these words directed towards them":

Matthew 25:

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[Michael68]

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:4-6

Dying to the law is dying to righteousness of obeying the law. The believer must do this to bear fruit for God.
Why? The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56 The legally binding law with the power to condemn.
Why are sinfull passions aroused in us by the law if we live under it? Let’s take an example. If you live under the law your sin can condemn you to hell. Let’s take one of the ten commandments. ‘’Thou shalt not covet.’’ A person understands what that particular commandment entails. What do they do if they live under righteousness of obeying the law? ‘’’I must not dwell on any impure thought, if I do am condemned as I am breaking one of the ten commandments. I must not lust, if I do I will go to hell’’’ Heaven or hell, eternity for such a person hinges on dwelling on no impure thought. Frankly, they would be petrified of them if they are in earnest about their beliefs. What will be the result? Verses7&8 explain it well. But by dying to righteousness of obeying the law, you die to the power of sin, and by following after the Holy Spirit you bear fruit for God. For if you take somethings power away it must weaken, hence:
For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace Rom6:14

 

[reneweddaybyday]

by following after the Holy Spirit you bear fruit for God.

When the born again one walks in the Spirit, he or she will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh ... he or she will not be under the law:

Galatians 5:

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

...

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace Rom6:14

Did you know that grace teaches us to live righteously and godly ???

Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world

 

[Michael68]

When the born again one walks in the Spirit, he or she will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh ... he or she will not be under the law:

Galatians 5:

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

...

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.





Did you know that grace teaches us to live righteously and godly ???

Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world

Let's go one step at a time. I just quoted Paul to you, a person is made alive with Christ even when they are dead in transgression/sin. That is why I believe Rom4:5 refers to a person living an ungodly/sinfull lifestyle.

‘But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a law-breaker. Gal2:17&18

The above verses relates to someone in Christ. They are sinners according to Paul.
What justification is Paul writing about? For it is one that clearly takes time to achieve, justification is instantaneous when someone accepts Christ as their saviour.
Why does Paul ask the question: Doesn't that mean that Christ promotes sin?
And what does he mean when he states: Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a law-breaker

 

[brightfame52]

... newsflash for you, brightfame52 ... the "Gospel of brightfame52" is another gospel about which we are warned in Galatians 1:

Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.





I do not deny Scripture ... I deny your erroneous dogma in which you manipulate Scripture in your futile attempt to align Scripture with your dogma. You are to align your dogma with Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.


... btw, brightfame52,

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1587, your Post 1583 has been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1588, your Post 1584 has been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1589, your Post 1585 has been refuted.


since you have still not provided any response to my Post 1587, Post 1588, Post 1589, your erroneous dogma submitted in your Posts 1583, 1584, 1585 has been refuted by Scripture.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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You oppose the Gospel !

 

[brightfame52]

again ... 1 Peter 3:18 refers to those who have a good conversation in Christ – 1 Peter 3:16 (i.e. those who are already born again ... already set apart holy).

If they are still "ungodly" there is no way they are going to have access into the heavenly holy of holies ... God will not have anything unclean at His right hand.





... note that JFB indicates those who were "the unjust" are now "justified together with Him".

"access into the Holiest" is barred to those who are not "justified together with Him".

Also, please note that JFB states "our having access into the Holiest" was "opened by Christ's ascension" ... not the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, not His resurrection ... but the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ into heaven ...


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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The death of Christ brings them He died for unto God, effects their conversion, and you deny it, that's unbelief !

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You oppose the Gospel !

... newsflash for you, brightfame52 ... the "Gospel of brightfame52" is another gospel about which we are warned in Galatians 1:

Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


... btw, brightfame52,

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1587, your Post 1583 has been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1588, your Post 1584 has been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1589, your Post 1585 has been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1618, your Posts 1613 and 1614 have been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1619, your Post 1615 has been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1620, your Post 1616 has been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1621, your Post 1617 has been refuted.


since you have still not provided any response to my Post 1587, Post 1588, Post 1589, Post 1618, Post 1619, Post 1620, Post 1621, your erroneous dogma submitted in your Posts 1583, 1584, 1585, 1613, 1614, 1615, 1616, 1617 has been refuted by Scripture.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[reneweddaybyday]

The death of Christ brings them He died for unto God, effects their conversion

... you continue to suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18).

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiat.ion for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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[reneweddaybyday]

Let's go one step at a time. I just quoted Paul to you, a person is made alive with Christ even when they are dead in transgression/sin. That is why I believe Rom4:5 refers to a person living an ungodly/sinfull lifestyle.

‘But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a law-breaker. Gal2:17&18

The above verses relates to someone in Christ. They are sinners according to Paul.
What justification is Paul writing about? For it is one that clearly takes time to achieve, justification is instantaneous when someone accepts Christ as their saviour.
Why does Paul ask the question: Doesn't that mean that Christ promotes sin?
And what does he mean when he states: Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a law-breaker

you posted this in the other thread. See my reply to you here.
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[brightfame52]

... you continue to suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18).

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.





... another example of you ripping a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture placed it in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.

Psalm 106:10 refers to the time when God brought the children of Israel out of Egypt:

Psalm 106:

9 He rebuked the Red sea also, and it was dried up: so he led them through the depths, as through the wilderness.

10 And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them, and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy.

11 And the waters covered their enemies: there was not one of them left.

12 Then believed they his words; they sang his praise.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.





read the next verse, brightfame52:

Isaiah 63:

8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.

9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.





they are not "the same !"

God has a purpose for every thing He says ...

For you to come along and claim with absolutely no Scriptural support at all that "being saved" and "being redeemed" are the "same !" just shows your ignorance and "many unlearned men" just like you probably believe "they are the same !, just stated differently !" because they do not care to find out what the Author of Scripture means when He says "saved" or when He says "redeemed".

You are one of the many you regard as "unlearned men".





again ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... the whole world.

Let's just see who will "hear these words directed towards them":

Matthew 25:

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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All for whom Christ died He accomplished their Salvation, saved them, if you dont believe that, its your unbelief !

 

[brightfame52]

... newsflash for you, brightfame52 ... the "Gospel of brightfame52" is another gospel about which we are warned in Galatians 1:

Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


... btw, brightfame52,

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1587, your Post 1583 has been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1588, your Post 1584 has been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1589, your Post 1585 has been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1618, your Posts 1613 and 1614 have been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1619, your Post 1615 has been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1620, your Post 1616 has been refuted.

inasmuch as you have no reply to my Post 1621, your Post 1617 has been refuted.


since you have still not provided any response to my Post 1587, Post 1588, Post 1589, Post 1618, Post 1619, Post 1620, Post 1621, your erroneous dogma submitted in your Posts 1583, 1584, 1585, 1613, 1614, 1615, 1616, 1617 has been refuted by Scripture.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
.

Sorry but you vehemently oppose the Gospel which describes the accomplishment of Salvation for all whom Christ died, thats unbelief !

 

[brightfame52]

... you continue to suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18).

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiat.ion for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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See how you oppose that fact that Christs death brings to God them He died for, converts them to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Christs death and the success thereof brings them He substituted for all the way to Glory, corresponding to Heb 2:10 as per them He tasted death for Heb 2:9-10

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Now for anyone to deny this success its unbelief !

 

[reneweddaybyday]

All for whom Christ died He accomplished their Salvation, saved them

the Gospel which describes the accomplishment of Salvation for all whom Christ died

You already know the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind. I have provided the verses to you numerous times ... yet you still suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18):

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


When God reveals Himself to those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, they will suffer the consequence ... not because the Lord Jesus Christ did not die to take away their sin ... but because they rejected Him:

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katecho = suppress, restrain] the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Those who do not believe suppress the truth in unrighteousness. They reject the truth of Scripture ... not because they do not have faith, but because they hold to something (place their faith in something) other than the truth of Scripture which God has clearly revealed to them.
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[reneweddaybyday]

1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

Those spoken of in 1 Peter 3:18 are already born again ... they have a good conscience ... they have a good conversation in Christ.

1 Peter 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

quit ripping verses from their context in order to manipulate Scripture in your futile effort to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

vs 9 – notice the Lord Jesus Christ tasted death for every man ... the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.

vs 10 - those who are brought to glory are the ones who do not suppress the truth in unrighteousness when the gospel is preached to them.


Romans 1:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechō = suppress] the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
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[brightfame52]

You already know the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind. I have provided the verses to you numerous times ... yet you still suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18):

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


When God reveals Himself to those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, they will suffer the consequence ... not because the Lord Jesus Christ did not die to take away their sin ... but because they rejected Him:

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katecho = suppress, restrain] the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Those who do not believe suppress the truth in unrighteousness. They reject the truth of Scripture ... not because they do not have faith, but because they hold to something (place their faith in something) other than the truth of Scripture which God has clearly revealed to them.
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If you dont believe that Christs death saved them He died for, thats unbelief !

 

[brightfame52]

Those spoken of in 1 Peter 3:18 are already born again ... they have a good conscience ... they have a good conversation in Christ.

1 Peter 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

quit ripping verses from their context in order to manipulate Scripture in your futile effort to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma.





vs 9 – notice the Lord Jesus Christ tasted death for every man ... the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.

vs 10 - those who are brought to glory are the ones who do not suppress the truth in unrighteousness when the gospel is preached to them.


Romans 1:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechō = suppress] the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
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Christs death ensures the ones He died for are brought to God, even to Glory, 1 Pet 3:18 If you dont believe that, you in unbelief.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

If you dont believe that Christs death saved them He died for, thats unbelief !

your argument is with the Author of Scripture ...

Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, on him shall not be ashamed.

Christs death ensures the ones He died for are brought to God, even to Glory, 1 Pet 3:18 If you dont believe that, you in unbelief.

and 1 Peter 3:16-17 tells us who the Lord Jesus Christ brings into the presence of God:

1 Peter 3:

16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God [those having a good conscience ... those who have a good lifestyle in Christ – vs 16 ... those who suffer for well doing – vs 17], being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

... and you do realize that the Lord Jesus Christ brings us to God because He was quickened by the Spirit – vs 18 (i.e. resurrected). And in order to bring us to God, that also takes into consideration the ascension ... just sayin'
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[John146]

See how you oppose that fact that Christs death brings to God them He died for, converts them to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Christs death and the success thereof brings them He substituted for all the way to Glory, corresponding to Heb 2:10 as per them He tasted death for Heb 2:9-10

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Now for anyone to deny this success its unbelief !

Are you saying that if any deny Calvinism, aka fatalism, they are in unbelief?

 

[brightfame52]

your argument is with the Author of Scripture ...

Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, on him shall not be ashamed.





and 1 Peter 3:16-17 tells us who the Lord Jesus Christ brings into the presence of God:

1 Peter 3:

16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God [those having a good conscience ... those who have a good lifestyle in Christ – vs 16 ... those who suffer for well doing – vs 17], being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

... and you do realize that the Lord Jesus Christ brings us to God because He was quickened by the Spirit – vs 18 (i.e. resurrected). And in order to bring us to God, that also takes into consideration the ascension ... just sayin'
.

If you dont believe Christs death for a person actually brings them to God in a conversion experience as Per 1 Pet 3:18 indicates and teaches, then thats unbelief !

 

[brightfame52]

Are you saying that if any deny Calvinism, aka fatalism, they are in unbelief?

Im saying if you deny that Jesus death actually brings to God in a conversion experience them He died for as Per 1 Pet 3:18 testifies to, then thats unbelief ! 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: