Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

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@JimmyTheLock

Your misunderstanding is embarrassing you!

I am nothing, and Christ is everything.

You deny the Holy Spirit led Jesus in to the wilderness to be tempted by the devil???
That figures...

Where on Earth did I say that? That is your false assumption, friend. I told you before that Jesus operated by the Spirit at other times.

What you fail to understand is... he was made lower than the angels in order to come here and die on the cross... you seem to be denying Jesus died on the cross!

I believe Jesus was made lower than the angels and had a flesh and blood body. That is not in conflict with Jesus having His divine powers. Neither is such a thing in conflict with Him not being capable of sinning, either. Remember, Jesus is God. God cannot sin, and God cannot be anything less than God. Meaning if you take away God’s power and He is just a man, He is no longer God. Just as if Superman gave up his superpowers, he is no longer Superman.

John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

I posted this earlier... you must not have been paying attention.

Here's another one you need to be aware of that will help your misunderstanding...

John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

This is cheating. You are connecting two verses together that are from entirely two different chapters. Yes, they are both true verses. But you are ignoring the latter half of what John 5:19 says and you believe John 14:10 over rides the latter half of what was said in John 5:19, and John 5:21. You don’t believe the part of John 5:19 that says, BUT WHAT HE SEETH THE FATHER DO: FOR WHAT THINGS SOEVER HE DOETH, THESE ALSO DOETH THE SON LIKEWISE. You don’t believe the latter half of John 5:21 that says, “EVEN SO THE SON QUICKENETH WHOM HE WILL.” (Which is contrasted with the Father quickening). You think John 14:10 erases these words.

That's hilarious... I never denied that Jesus said:

John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

I certainly hope your misunderstanding gets better... Jesus is NOT separate from the Father!

I don’t believe in Tritheism. That is the false belief that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three separate gods.
The Trinity is that the Lord our God is one God (in number), and yet He exists as three distinct persons.

NO, what YOU need to do is accept all that God's Word teaches, including what the Lord says in John 14:10, John 5:19

John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Again, you are connecting John 14:10 to John 5:19 and John 5:21 in the wrong way. You are ignoring the latter half of John 5:19, and John 5:21. You don’t believe the latter half of John 5:19, and John 5:21 because you think John 14:10 over rides what they say. Unlike you, I believe both verses fully. I believe the Father does the works through Jesus at certain points in time, and at other times, Jesus the Son does what He sees the Father doing. Meaning, for whatever things the Father does, these also does the Son likewise as John 5:19 says. Meaning, just as the Father quickens others, the Son also quickens whom He wills (John 5:21).

YOU need to quit being a cherry picker and accept the whole counsel of God and quit twisting scripture.... that's why you are so confused about all this.

Well, you are the one who is ignoring the latter half of John 5:19, and John 5:21.
You are the one who is ignoring Mark 2:7, Luke 7:44-50, John 14:6, John 1:29, Matthew 18:20, John 14:15, John 2:11, and John 14:13-14.

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

So this means Jesus could not have potentially sinned because God cannot be tempted with evil. Meaning, God has no internal desire or temptation like us to do any kind of wrong. Men sin because they are drawn away by their own lusts. God has no lusts and therefore Jesus could not have potentially sinned as you falsely claim.

 

[Cameron143]

But Jesus did not lay aside His divine privileges. That is a lie in Modern Bibles. The NLT and ESV say that in Philippians 2:7.

1. Whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise (or in the same manner) (John 5:19).
2. As the Father raises up the dead and quickens others, the Son can also quicken (make alive) whom he will (John 5:21).
3. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).
4. Jesus had power to take on our sins & Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
5. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today.
6. Jesus can make His home or abode inside of us if we keep His commandments (John 14:15).
7. “This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.” (John 2:11). This was a direct statement. Meaning, Christ’s miracle at the wedding of Cana manifested His glory.
8. ”And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.” (John 14:13-14). This was said by Jesus before the cross, and answering prayers is definitely a divine act of God. Please pay close attention to what Jesus said. He said, “I will do it“ in reference to answering prayer. So if a person prays for a healing in His name, he will do it. He will be the One who will heal them and do it.



Right, Superman is still Superman even without his super powers? That makes no sense.

Divine attributes; not privileges.

 

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@JimmyTheLock

The reason He never sinned during His earthly life is because... He choose to not fall for satan's temptation which is something WE also are able to do because we too have the Holy Spirit that empowers us to do all things thru Christ (Phil 4:13)

No. The reason why Jesus chose not sin is because He is simply not capable of sinning because He is God. The moment you accept Jesus is God fully is when you will begin to understand and accept the many verses I have shown in Scripture. So far you have not even explained the latter half of John 5:19, and John 5:21.

Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

You said Jesus could have potentially sinned. Yet no verse actually says this, though.

Jesus has been where we all have in being tested, tempted, and tried with the evils of this life... and He was an overcomer and did not give in to any of this because He submitted His life to God, resisted the devil forcing him to flee (James 4:7)

No. James 4:7 is for us and not Jesus. Jesus did not need to submit to God because He is one with Him since eternity’s past. They are one God. Jesus is the second person of the Trinity. This is not the case for us.

It doesn't sound like you have a very good handle of what Jesus came to do...
It doesn’t sound like you have a good handle on explaining the verses that I have put forth to you.

You have repeatedly ignored the latter half of John 5:19, and John 5:21.

which includes Him living as a man anointed by the Holy Ghost and facing all that we face and choosing to over come the devil by walking in all the fruit of the Spirit.

Sorry, you are rambling off into your own imaginary thoughts and not the Bible. Please quote actually verses of the Bible to make your case and not your own thoughts please.

Please show me where I said there is darkness in God... this is your darkened imagination working because your feelings are hurt due to someone not lock step agreeing with you and instead going by what God's Word teaches.

My feelings were not hurt by any means. I am more afraid for you that you are attacking the Lord and His good character as revealed in Scripture than anything. I also realize that you are not saying directly that there is darkness in God. I am saying that is the logical conclusion you must eventually face if you falsely say Jesus could have potentially sinned. Again, a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit (See: Matthew 7). Meaning, Jesus is the good tree. He cannot potentially do evil because He is God and He is holy. No matter what test you put God in, He can never fail. There is no chance that God can ever fail or even potentially do wrong because He is God. This is what you fail to understand about the Lord our God. He is more pure and holy than you actually think He is.

You obviously do not understand what it means to submit one's life unto the Lord... just because satan tempted Jesus does NOT mean Jesus was thinking about doing sin. That's foolishness fueled by darkened understanding.

I am not a mind reader. I was only guessing as to your thinking on how it is wrong. But do not fool yourself that others may think this way. I have talked with other Christians who believe Jesus actually sinned. So there are all kinds of crazy ideas about Jesus out there. I am concerned about your view of Jesus because much of what you say about Him is not actually taken straight from the Scriptures but your own thinking. We are bible believers and we are not Charismatics.

But again, you were the one who said Jesus could have potentially sinned and yet you have no Bible verse that even says that.
So what you are saying about our Lord is unbiblical.

The devil temps me sometimes... and I have zero agreement with his temptation and do not consider doing whatever he's trying to get me to do... and I learned this from the Lord. You wouldn't understand.

Don’t insult me. I am not an OSAS believer or one of those sin and still be saved Christians. I believe without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. This is living holy by the Spirit. Salvation is conditional and we need both God’s grace and Sanctification in order to make it into His Kingdom. If we are not resisting sin and overcoming it by God’s power, we are not going to inherit the Kingdom of God.

Duh! All temptation comes from without...

Jesus says the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.
We are to crucify the affections and lusts.
This is internal, and if men do not crucify the affections and lusts, they can be slaves to sin.
It’s why some Christians cannot stop sinning even when they desire to stop.

it's only when we allow tempation to "enter in" does it choke God's Word from inside of us and we become unfruitful according to Jesus. (see Mark 4:13-20)

Yes, that is part of it, but we must crucify the affections and lusts according to Galatians 5:24.
2 Corinthians 7:1 says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
So there is cleansing of ourselves involved.

Actually you are twisting and ignoring the whole counsel of God. You can gaslight some of the people some of the time... but you can't gaslight all the people all the time.

What is it with the fancy words here?
Yes, I do recall hearing this word in the past.
But it really is a full time job to try and keep up with all these terms.
So just speak plainly. I am only speaking what I know is the truth of God’s Word.
This is not about egos here. I am not looking to beat my chest and roar like a lion and say I was right.
I don’t get a drug rush when I am right and I get someone to see that they were wrong.
I admit when I am wrong. I am hoping you will do the same.
We have to remember, that we are nothing and Christ is everything. At the end of the day, Scripture wins. The Lord Jesus will win. Every knee will bow to Him.

 

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Divine attributes; not privileges.

Yep. The NLT in Philippians 2:7 is even worse than we thought. The KJV is superior.

 

[Kroogz]

It isn't actually true.



Adam means "ruddy" but we can use man.





No, it means substituted.

H8352
???
she^th
shayth
From H7896; put, that is, substituted; Sheth, third son of Adam: - Seth, Sheth.




Eh, Strong's says "a mortal" but close enough



No it means "fixed"

H7018
????
qe^yna^n
kay-nawn'
From the same as H7064; fixed; Kenan, an antediluvian: - Cainan, Kenan.




No, it's "praise of God"

H4111
??????
maha?lal'e^l
mah-hal-al-ale'
From H4110 and H410; praise of God; Mahalalel, the name of an antediluvian patriarch and of an Israelite: - Mahalaleel.




Pretty close, a descent.



No, initiated.


H2585
????
cha?no^k
khan-oke'
From H2596; initiated; Chanok, an antediluvian patriarch: - Enoch.




No, man of a dart (a spear)

H4968
????????
methu^shelach
meth-oo-sheh'-lakh
From H4962 and H7973; man of a dart; Methushelach, an antediluvian patriarch: - Methuselah.




No, powerful.

H3929
Lamech = “powerful”
1) the 5th lineal descendant from Cain, husband of Adah and Zillah, father of sons, Jabal, Jubal, and Tubal-cain, and daughter, Naamah
2) father of Noah




Yes.

It does not say, "Man Appointed Mortal Sorrow,
The Blessed God Shall come down Teaching,
His death shall bring The despairing, Rest"

Those are not fully accurate translations.


Based on the Strong's definitions: "man substituted a mortal fixed praise of God a descent initiated man of a spear powerful rest."

It's a great study, but has to go beyond Strongs. They are all proper names and have been transliterated to approximate the pronunciation(not translated). So if you can find an original roots book or site maybe? They dive deeper into the original proper names.

One I can remember off the top of my head is Seth. Strongs has "Substituted "

Going back to the proper name of Seth, it is Closer to "appointed"....
Gen 4:25~~And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth. For,'said she , God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel; for Cain slew him.

It has been a while for me, but if you wanted to look into it it's very interesting!

 

[Dino246]

No. The reason why Jesus chose not sin is because He is simply not capable of sinning because He is God.

Okay, so His temptation was a sham.

 

[Kroogz]

JimmyTheLock said:
God's Word says He was tempted in ALL things like we are tempted

QUOTE="Bible_Highlighter, post: 5201875, member: 327699"]Out of your beginning set of words, this is the only part that is actually biblical. Your next part of your words are your own thoughts, and not the words of the Bible.[/QUOTE]
Heb 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Okay, so His temptation was a sham.

Whatever lens you prefer to look through in order to see error is up to you.
The external temptation was very real. That is only way Christ was tempted. It was all eternal temptation.
Scripture says God cannot be tempted by evil.
If you believe Jesus is God, then this rules out any possibility that He could be tempted to do evil. Period.
Besides, the test was to show that Jesus is the Son of God to all — including the devil.
In fact, seeing the devil figured out that Jesus was really the Son of God, He no longer bothered to tempt Him again.
If you paid close attention to the details of the scene we see the devil saying this twice to Jesus.

If thou be the Son of God, (Matthew 4:3).
If thou be the Son of God, (Matthew 4:6).

Notice. The devil said twice in Matthew 4, …. IF thou be the Son of God.
So he was testing to see IF He was the Son of God.

Later, demons declared Jesus to be the Son of God.

“And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?” (Matthew 8:29).

The cat was out of the bag. His identity was confirmed by the devil’s test or temptation (Which was all external to the LORD of course).
They also did not think He was powerless, either. Meaning, they did not think He was like Superman who lost his powers. They said if He came to torment them before the time.

 

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Okay, so His temptation was a sham.

“…God cannot be tempted with evil,…” (James 1:13).
Yet, we know Jesus is God and it says that He was tempted in all points like us (Hebrews 4:15).

But lets read 1 Corinthians 10:9.

1 Corinthians 10:9
”Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.”

This story took place in Numbers 21, and it was the LORD who was present. This was the pre-incarnate Christ and He was tempted in the Old Testament before He took on flesh.

So this means that Jesus (GOD) was EXTERNALLY tempted.
Jesus who is God cannot be tempted with evil — meaning He cannot consider or have any interest in evil because it is contrary to God’s nature. God is holy and good and love.

 

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Whatever lens you prefer to look through in order to see error is up to you.
The external temptation was very real. That is only way Christ was tempted. It was all eternal temptation.
Scripture says God cannot be tempted by evil.
If you believe Jesus is God, then this rules out any possibility that He could be tempted to do evil. Period.
Besides, the test was to show that Jesus is the Son of God to all — including the devil.
In fact, seeing the devil figured out that Jesus was really the Son of God, He no longer bothered to tempt Him again.
If you paid close attention to the details of the scene we see the devil saying this twice to Jesus.

If thou be the Son of God, (Matthew 4:3).
If thou be the Son of God, (Matthew 4:6).

Notice. The devil said twice in Matthew 4, …. IF thou be the Son of God.
So he was testing to see IF He was the Son of God.

Later, demons declared Jesus to be the Son of God.

“And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?” (Matthew 8:29).

The cat was out of the bag. His identity was confirmed by the devil’s test or temptation (Which was all external to the LORD of course).
They also did not think He was powerless, either. Meaning, they did not think He was like Superman who lost his powers. They said if He came to torment them before the time.

Meant to say EXTERNAL temptation.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

See post #1688 and post #1689.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Heb 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

In addition, Hebrews 7:26 says,
”For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;”

So there was no defilement in Jesus to even potentially sin. Hebrews 7:26 says He was undefiled and separate from sinners. It’s why He was born of a virgin woman. Sin is passed down by the male seed. We know this because Romans says sin entered the world through one man (Romans 5:12), and yet we know Eve sinned first (See: Genesis 3). In fact, the Messianic prophecy of Jesus being born of the seed of the woman is found in Genesis 3.

 

[Kroogz]

Whatever lens you prefer to look through in order to see error is up to you.
The external temptation was very real. That is only way Christ was tempted. It was all eternal temptation.
Scripture says God cannot be tempted by evil.
If you believe Jesus is God, then this rules out any possibility that He could be tempted to do evil. Period.
Besides, the test was to show that Jesus is the Son of God to all — including the devil.
In fact, seeing the devil figured out that Jesus was really the Son of God, He no longer bothered to tempt Him again.
If you paid close attention to the details of the scene we see the devil saying this twice to Jesus.

If thou be the Son of God, (Matthew 4:3).
If thou be the Son of God, (Matthew 4:6).

Notice. The devil said twice in Matthew 4, …. IF thou be the Son of God.
So he was testing to see IF He was the Son of God.

Later, demons declared Jesus to be the Son of God.

“And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?” (Matthew 8:29).

The cat was out of the bag. His identity was confirmed by the devil’s test or temptation (Which was all external to the LORD of course).
They also did not think He was powerless, either. Meaning, they did not think He was like Superman who lost his powers. They said if He came to torment them before the time.

The Lord Jesus Christ is 100% humanity and undiminished Deity in one person. His humanity and Deity never co-mingle. The tempter was tempting His humanity. He can't tempt God.
And the "if" is a first class conditional clause........IF(and you are) the Son of God.....satan knew he was the son of God.

 

[Kroogz]

In addition, Hebrews 7:26 says,
”For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;”

So there was no defilement in Jesus to even potentially sin. Hebrews 7:26 says He was undefiled and separate from sinners. It’s why He was born of a virgin woman. Sin is passed down by the male seed. We know this because Romans says sin entered the world through one man (Romans 5:12), and yet we know Eve sinned first (See: Genesis 3). In fact, the Messianic prophecy of Jesus being born of the seed of the woman is found in Genesis 3.

Heb 7:26 is The Lord Jesus Christ sitting at the right hand of the Father. Glorified. Post resurrection.

Yet, we can still say "Undefiled" and "separate from sinners" while he was on this earth.

He did not sin and he did not have a sin nature. As you say, that comes from Adams original sin.

 

[NTNT58]

One thing that I don't understand is when people claim that Peter was supposedly given authority over the disciples/church, in say, Matt 16... why then did the sons of Zebedee ask to be seated in the places of power... over Peter. And why did the disciples argue later on about who was the greatest among them?
If Peter had actually been given that authority, none of this would make sense because the answer would have already been given.

So, in short, the Scriptures show that the disciples didn't think Peter was anything special, why should we?

Good point, but the mother of Zebedee's children may not have been aware of the power structure, and if she was, she did ask about the afterlife, not the world of the living where Peter was placed as a chief apostle. And the disciples argued about who was the greatest (or best), not who was the leader. In Mathew 11:11 Jesus said John the Baptist is the greatest of all born of women, but he wasn't even a disciple of Jesus or in any leadership role. The same Greek word used in Mathew 11:11 -μείζων (meizōn)- is also used in Luke 9:46 where they argued about who was the greatest. It means large or great, not necessarily chief.

 

[Kroogz]

“…God cannot be tempted with evil,…” (James 1:13).
Yet, we know Jesus is God and it says that He was tempted in all points like us (Hebrews 4:15).

But lets read 1 Corinthians 10:9.

1 Corinthians 10:9
”Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.”

This story took place in Numbers 21, and it was the LORD who was present. This was the pre-incarnate Christ and He was tempted in the Old Testament before He took on flesh.

So this means that Jesus (GOD) was EXTERNALLY tempted.
Jesus who is God cannot be tempted with evil — meaning He cannot consider or have any interest in evil because it is contrary to God’s nature. God is holy and good and love.

They were destroyed because they tempted God.

The Lord Jesus Christ temporarily laid aside His independent use of His deity during the hypostatic union. His true and 100% humanity was being tested/tempted while He lived on this earth.

Humanity needs a perfect/unblemished human Savior. And to think that God lowered Himself to that is unthinkable/unimaginable! No words can describe it.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

The Lord Jesus Christ is 100% humanity and undiminished Deity in one person. His humanity and Deity never co-mingle. The tempter was tempting His humanity. He can't tempt God.

Please show this in Scripture.

And the "if" is a first class conditional clause........IF(and you are) the Son of God.....satan knew he was the son of God.

But isn’t odd that Jesus was never tempted again by the devil?
It only took place once. This suggests it was a test to see who He was.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

They were destroyed because they tempted God.

The Lord Jesus Christ temporarily laid aside His independent use of His deity during the hypostatic union. His true and 100% humanity was being tested/tempted while He lived on this earth.

Humanity needs a perfect/unblemished human Savior. And to think that God lowered Himself to that is unthinkable/unimaginable! No words can describe it.

Okay. You don’t appear to understand what 1 Corinthians 10:9 says.

1 Corinthians 10:9
”Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.”

This verse is saying that the event in numbers is that the Israelites tempted Christ in the serpent on the pole narrative in Numbers 21.

 

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Heb 7:26 is The Lord Jesus Christ sitting at the right hand of the Father. Glorified. Post resurrection.

That is false. Hebrews 7:26 is saying that He was made higher than the Heavens. So it is referring to His body that He would have during His earthly ministry. He was not made higher than the heavens after the Incarnation. That would be denying part of what the verse actually says.

Yet, we can still say "Undefiled" and "separate from sinners" while he was on this earth.

He did not sin and he did not have a sin nature. As you say, that comes from Adams original sin.

Jesus was simply incapable of sinning because on the inside of His body was ALL God and not a human soul. If Jesus joined with a human soul or if one was tailored made for Him, then He could not say He came down from Heaven in John chapter 6 (Seeing He was a newly created being that did not exist before). If Jesus was a newly created being, neither could Jesus declare that He was the “I AM” from Exodus 3 in John chapter 8 to the Jews (Whereby they wanted to pick up stones and kill him for such a declaration).

 

[Kroogz]

Okay. You don’t appear to understand what 1 Corinthians 10:9 says.

1 Corinthians 10:9
”Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.”

This verse is saying that the event in numbers is that the Israelites tempted Christ in the serpent on the pole narrative in Numbers 21.

Yes, I understand it. Maybe the confusion comes from the hypostatic union? Jesus(humanity of Christ) Did not go to the Isrealites. Christ(God) did.