Obviously, the priesthood identified in the law has been replaced by the eternal high priest Jesus.There was at least a half hour between when you posted and when I replied, which is more than sufficient time for me to type it.
Obviously, the priesthood identified in the law has been replaced by the eternal high priest Jesus.
Well you accept that don't you.
Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished!
If the Levitical priesthood has been fulfilled by Jesus, then logically, the 'stroke of a letter'. Has passed from the law.
Which means simply, that the law has been fulfilled, all we need is one letter to pass from the law.
Indeed and I have repented.Question for you: have you broken the law?
I laugh when I see things like this.
- All have sinned and fallen short; therefore, death is what we all deserve.
- Jesus is the only way to salvation you can't get saved and then put Jesus on the shelf and follow the law when you broke it already.
- Jesus took your punishment for you. If you return back to the law, you then return the judgment of it
Jesus did not end the Sermon on the Mount by telling us to have good luck or by telling us that he was just kidding about doing all those things, but rather he ended it by saying:
- You can fool man with the outward appearance of obeying the law, BUT YOUR Heart God knows therefore, you may never do the act of adultery, but you can have a heart full of it. You may never commit murder but have a heart full of hate. You are a murderer. Jesus said Good luck with the law. FYI, far better people than I who saw God could not do it.
It is contradictory to think both that Gentiles were freed from the Torah and that Gentiles were never under the Torah, though both positions are wrong. In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Torah was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which means that if Gentiles were freed from that requirement, then Gentiles have no need of the Gospel and have no need for Jesus to have need for Jesus to have himself to free us form all lawlessness.If you're a practicing Jew, you are obligated to obey the Torah. If you are a Christian you are freed from that requirement.
That is a false dichotomy, but rather God is gracious to us by teaching us to obey His law (Psalms 119:29-30, Exodus 33:13, Genesis 6:8-9, Romans 1:5, Titus 2:11-13). Likewise, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27) and Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to His law (Romans 8:4-7).You are either under the law or you are under grace. You either are governed by the external law or internally by the Holy Spirit. It's either/or.
Indeed, love fulfills the Mosaic Law because everything in it was commanded in order to teach us how to love God and our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them. So the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments on the Mosaic Law is the position that we should obey all of he commandments that hang on them, for example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, idolatry, rape, kidnapping, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the Mosaic Law.I've heard it explained this way, which makes sense to me... "The Law is the railings to the road which is Love."
In other words, The Law is still effective to remind us and spur us to Love.
"Owe no one anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves another has FULLFILLED THE LAW. The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery; you shall not murder; you shall not steal; you shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this word" You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore, love is the fulfilling of the law.
Romans 13:8-10
The time stamp of post #283 is 4:26 PM and the time stamp on my reply to it in post #298 is 4:56 PM.I am not saying you are lying-but you came back with a rather lengthy response in about 2 seconds after my post-how did you accomplish this?
The Mosaic law contains a lot more than that, including many things which cannot be done. Such asIndeed, love fulfills the Mosaic Law because everything in it was commanded in order to teach us how to love God and our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them. So the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments on the Mosaic Law is the position that we should obey all of he commandments that hang on them, for example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, idolatry, rape, kidnapping, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the Mosaic Law.
op: The Torah is still binding & we MUST obey it?
"What Saith The Scripture?":
A) knowing "the purpose" of the law:
"Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and forsinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers andmurderers of mothers, for manslayers" (1 Timothy 1:9)
B) knowing why it "is still binding" for the unrighteous man (who will
Never 'obey it' all, Christ Being The Only "Perfect Obeyer" of law):"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us untoChrist, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.” (Galatians 3:24 AV)
C) knowing what happens to "those who insist they are 'of the law,' and
think they are obeying all of it for their salvation"?:
"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for itis written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things whichare written in the book of the law to do them." (Galatians 3:10 AV)
D) knowing .... The Final Judgment .... of those who think they are obeying,
and calling The Righteous Judge "Lord, Lord" and Also boasting of ↑ ↑ ↑?:
"Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into thekingdom of heaven; but he that doeth The Will of My Father Whichis in heaven.Many will say to Me In That Day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesiedin Thy Name? and in Thy Name have cast out devils? and in ThyName done many wonderful works? And then will I profess untothem, I Never Knew you: Depart from Me, ye that work iniquity. "(Matthew 7:21-23 AV)
Conclusion1: Yes, the law is "still binding" for the unrighteous, and:
For any and all "who are of the law, and still under it's curse," who read God's
Word For you today, and, who wish Eternal Life, see God's Simple Will!
For those who are Under Grace, with "Freedom And Liberty" to serve God:
E) our position, as "righteous in The Body Of Christ":
"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye arenot under the law, but under Grace." (Romans 6:14 AV)"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law,but under Grace? God forbid." (Romans 6:15 AV)
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Conclusion2:
"Christ Hath Redeemed us from the curse of the law,being made a curse for us: for It Is Written, Cursed isevery one that hangeth on a tree" (Galatians 3:13 AV)
We, the BLOOD-Washed righteous, should all "obey the New Law":
"Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works?Nay: but by The Law of faith." (Romans 3:27 AV):
In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Ephesians 2:8-10, it says that we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while it denies that we can earn our salvation as the result of works, being a doer of good works in obedience to God's law is nevertheless a central part of our salvation.+
"For By Grace are ye Saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:it is The Gift Of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.For we are His Workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works,which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."(Ephesians 2:8-10; All commands in Romans - Philemon AV)
"Simplicity In Christ" For the obedience of the new-born babe?:
►► The New law of faith which worketh By love ◄◄
All believers Should do "good works" {Which will Never
Equal CHRIST's Payment For the Penalty of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform
for Him, having "been Called into fellowship With Him!"
(Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:
We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
for Grace Deliverance From the power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:
How we, righteous, who have obeyed The Gospel of The Grace
of God, although 'not under the law,' "Fulfil All the law", by Grace,
With Christ Living In us:
In "One Word: Love thy neighbor as thyself!"
His Spirit Guiding and
It is ironic how often that verse is used by people to justify wrongly dividing the word of truth.
The fact that God's law works wrath for those who refuse to submit to it is not a very good reason for refusing to submit to it.Precious friends, my apologies - I overlooked this crucial point:
"Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression." (Romans 4:15 AV)Changing none of the Grace and "faith which worketh By love"
conclusions above.
Amen.
All the law which yet should be applied is included in the laws of love which have been inscribed upon the hearts of all who believe Jesus Yeshua..You are either under the law or you are under grace. You either are governed by the external law or internally by the Holy Spirit. It's either/or.
Since you are unable to keep the law perfectly, have you become a cannibal?In Deuteronomy 27-28, it describes the blessing of the law of living in obedience to it and the curse of the law of not living in obedience to it,
If Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it and he warned against relaxing the least part of the law or teaching others to relax the least part of it, so fulfilling the law does not refer to abolishing the least part of it. Rather, "to fulfill the law means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo). Eternal instructions for how to testify about God's eternal nature can't be abolished without first abolishing God.Obviously, the priesthood identified in the law has been replaced by the eternal high priest Jesus.
Well you accept that don't you.
Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished!
If the Levitical priesthood has been fulfilled by Jesus, then logically, the 'stroke of a letter'. Has passed from the law.
Which means simply, that the law has been fulfilled, all we need is one letter to pass from the law.
Hello,Hello Soyeong,
I would just like to know about the mosaic law. Since Christ fulfilled the law of Moses, commandments and confirmed (fulfilled) the prophecy about his birth and death, How can anyone follow the laws regarding sacrifices, temple etc... all these other Mosaic laws that cannot be followed today. Have the Jewish peoples replaced these Laws that cannot be followed by other similar laws as a replacement? I do not ask to judge in any way, just trying to understand.
Hypothesis: If the temple was rebuild, would the messianic Jewish community resume the sacrifices of Old? Would for instance animal sacrifices be replaced by other types of sacrifice or burnt offerings?
In my opinion, since Christ was the ultimate and last sacrifice in the full payment for sin of all who believe in him and do his Father's will, how could it be possible to reconcile offering sacrifices since Jesus saved us all by his sacrifice for us?
Thank you and Peace to you.
Hello,
"To fulfill the Law and the Prophets" means "to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment" (NAS Greek Lexicon).
In Acts 18:18, Paul took a vow involving shaving his head and the only vow that involves doing that which is prescribed in the Bible is the Nazarite vow, which involves making offerings (Numbers 6). Likewise, in Acts 21:20-24, Paul planned to pay for the offerings of others who where under vow in order to disprove false rumors that he was speaking against obeying the Mosaic Law and to show that he continued to live in obedience to it. In Hebrews 8:4, it speaks about offerings that we still being done in accordance with the Mosaic Law, so offerings did not cease with the death or resurrection of Jesus, but only ceased because of the destruction of the 2nd temple. If all of Jerusalem had repented and followed Jesus, then the 2nd temple would not have been destroyed and there would still be offerings being made in accordance with the Mosaic Law. Laws in regard to temple practice that weren't followed after the destruction of the 1st temple were once again followed after the construction of the 2nd temple, so there is nothing about the destruction of the 2nd temple that means that these laws have been replaced, but rather they will be followed once again when another temple is constructed (Ezekiel 40-46).
In the meantime, Jews teach that forgiveness is obtained through repentance, prayer, and good deeds.
Hosea 14:3
Take words with you
And return to GOD.
Say:
“Forgive all guilt
And accept what is good;
Instead of bulls we will pay
[The offering of] our lips.
Likewise, prayer was used to attain forgiveness in 1 Kings 8:46-50:
“When they sin against You—for there is no mortal who does not sin—and You are angry with them and deliver them to the enemy, and their captors carry them off to an enemy land, near or far; and then they take it to heart in the land to which they have been carried off, and they repent and make supplication to You in the land of their captors, saying: ‘We have sinned, we have acted perversely, we have acted wickedly,’ and they turn back to You with all their heart and soul, in the land of the enemies who have carried them off, and they pray to You in the direction of their land that You gave to their ancestors, of the city that You have chosen, and of the House that I have built to Your name—oh, give heed in Your heavenly abode to their prayer and supplication, uphold their cause, and pardon Your people who have sinned against You for all the transgressions that they have committed against You. Grant them mercy in the sight of their captors that they may be merciful to them.
Prayer services are also designed to parallel the temple service. Nineveh was forgiven and spared destruction because they repented and fasted, which did not including having offerings. There were also other types of offerings that did not involve the slaughter of animals and that had nothing to do with sin. The point of the sacrificial system and the rest of the Torah is to testify about Christ, so we should live in a way that testifies about him by obeying it rather than a way that bears false witness against him by refusing to obey it.
But if you haven’t made the appropriate sacrifice, you haven’t obeyed the Law and remain a sinner.Indeed and I have repented.
Why does it make sense to you to think that a just God demands obedience to laws even when they can't be obeyed? There are examples in the Bible of people being forgiven without offering sacrifices.But if you haven’t made the appropriate sacrifice, you haven’t obeyed the Law and remain a sinner.