Should Jesus love you because you are a sinner 🤔
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In general, God is justified in sending everyone to hell. And even under the terms of the old covenant God is justified in condemning everyone to hell. But once God covenanted to send forth the seed of the woman, He was obligated to save enough for the seed to come through. This is made even more clear with the Abrahamic covenant.
The new covenant throws in another wrench. The new covenant is not between God and man, but between God the Father and God the Son. So depending on what Jesus means by all that the Father has given me, there seems to be an obligation between Father and Son to redeem whatever is given.
The new covenant throws in another wrench. The new covenant is not between God and man, but between God the Father and God the Son. So depending on what Jesus means by all that the Father has given me, there seems to be an obligation between Father and Son to redeem whatever is given.
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"Why does God love you" is a question that warrants an answer with and overt or implied "because" in it, giving the causal explanation for the reality at hand.
Scripture does indeed say, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart."
However, it definitely does not say that God loves me because I love Him with all my heart. That would be putting the cart before the horse.
Scripture does indeed say, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart."
However, it definitely does not say that God loves me because I love Him with all my heart. That would be putting the cart before the horse.
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Hello Thunderrr-mental, God's love for us is just like He is, from everlasting .. e.g. Jeremiah 31:3. What that means is that there was never a time in eternity past (LONG before we existed, IOW) when He did not already love us. This also means that He ~chose~ to love all of us who are or who will be His adopted children LONG before we did anything, good or bad, long before we would have had an opportunity to love Him back.
Therefore, His love for us isn't based on anything that we choose to do or fail to do, rather, it's based on who we are to Him (like a parent's love is for their newborn baby). God chooses to love us as human "beings", not as human "doings".
This also means that He doesn't stop loving us when we make sinful choices, or love us more because we make righteous choices, because again, His love for us isn't based on what we do, but on who we are
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy (David)
Therefore, His love for us isn't based on anything that we choose to do or fail to do, rather, it's based on who we are to Him (like a parent's love is for their newborn baby). God chooses to love us as human "beings", not as human "doings".
This also means that He doesn't stop loving us when we make sinful choices, or love us more because we make righteous choices, because again, His love for us isn't based on what we do, but on who we are
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy (David)
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Hello Thunderrr-mental, God's love for us is just like He is, from everlasting .. e.g. Jeremiah 31:3. What that means is that there was never a time in eternity past (LONG before we existed, IOW) when He did not already love us. This also means that He ~chose~ to love all of us who are or who will be His adopted children LONG before we did anything, good or bad, long before we would have had an opportunity to love Him back.
Therefore, His love for us isn't based on anything that we choose to do or fail to do, rather, it's based on who we are to Him (like a parent's love is for their newborn baby). God chooses to love us as human "beings", not as human "doings".
This also means that He doesn't stop loving us when we make sinful choices, or love us more because we make righteous choices, because again, His love for us isn't based on what we do, but on who we are
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy (David)
Therefore, His love for us isn't based on anything that we choose to do or fail to do, rather, it's based on who we are to Him (like a parent's love is for their newborn baby). God chooses to love us as human "beings", not as human "doings".
This also means that He doesn't stop loving us when we make sinful choices, or love us more because we make righteous choices, because again, His love for us isn't based on what we do, but on who we are
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy (David)
But before the work of grace, the heart is stoney, and even the stoney man is still duty bound to obey God.
A stony heart is stubborn, but God says he will take away the stoney heart,
He does not say he will try to take it away.
Or give us some power, so that we can take it away ourselves,
No he says he will take it away. And nothing will stop him.
So how is man's will free brother.
He then promises to give us a new heart and a new spirit.
Scripture then says he does this in order that we will fear him and walk in his ways.
He even then writes his laws on our hearts.
This simply means he will put in us the power to walk in obedience to him.
Above I posted scripture about even the stoney heart is duty bound to obey God.
A drug addict could decide to obey God.
A lost child could decide to obey God.
But his heart is still stoney.
It remains stoney until God takes it away.
Is he able to love all people with his power he puts in people to walk in obedience to him.
What I'm asking and saying, is part of removing a stubborn heart is that a person loves him, by walking in obedience to him.
Because what I'm saying is the same seed he puts in two separate drug addicts, one gets there stoney heart removed one doesn't.
But yet His word says nothing will stop him from taking away a stoney heart.
A drug addict could decide to obey God.
A lost child could decide to obey God.
But his heart is still stoney.
It remains stoney until God takes it away.
Is he able to love all people with his power he puts in people to walk in obedience to him.
What I'm asking and saying, is part of removing a stubborn heart is that a person loves him, by walking in obedience to him.
Because what I'm saying is the same seed he puts in two separate drug addicts, one gets there stoney heart removed one doesn't.
But yet His word says nothing will stop him from taking away a stoney heart.
I'm confused. God knows the beginning and the end so of course he knew we would sin. Didn't he set that up?....I mean a tree of knowledge? That would be like giving your kid a giant red button and telling them don't push it.
My theory is it was done on purpose for multiple reasons but mainly he wanted the prodigal son to still be with him. So he made mankind, little gods who look like him! So we would be more attached to him bc he is life. I think he wanted to experience life in us. Eternity is a long time.... I think he enjoys being with us and experiencing life with us. Like watching your baby walk for the first time.... so many firsts. Of course he could have had that in the garden of eden, but.... the new earth will be like the garden of eden. Everything will be turned around to the way it was suppose to be.
Okay so he knew everything was going to happen but allowed it. In my opinion the demons and the devil were basically used by God. I mean it sounds mean but he created them too. The tree of knowledge caused death bc God didn't want sin to last forever. He also allowed us to sin in time, a loophole in the law so he could pull us out of the crime essentially. The devil and demons sinned in eternity.... so they can't be saved. The wicked people on earth are just as useless as the demons but they are also used to help us or make us grow. They are the weeds.... if not for us they would be gone. But wheat grows with the weeds, maybe even in the same family. While we don't know the weeds we can tell by their fruit.
Now the law part. God is love and justice. So people love to remove that justice part. Jesus was essentially a loophole in the death law. A perfect lamb was needed to unite people and God. So now the devil is ticked bc he realizes God tricked him this whole time.
"Should" Jesus love us? No. But he does so why argue with it? Jesus was tested by God, the way we are only he passed. Jesus understood only he could do the task and trusted the father to make things right. Which he did. The suffering lasted on the cross and the torture, but then he rose and was in paradise. Again I say Jesus was blessed before the cross and was a rich man. It says he was a rich man. God paid his child support when the 3 kings showed to Jesus. The father always took care of Jesus, even on earth and that's why he loved him so much. The only time he didn't bless him was on the cross, and that's why Jesus says "why have you forsaken me?" Bc God is a God of blessing and the cross seemed like the opposite. But it was a loophole.
So there you have it. You may not agree with it but it makes way more sense than what I was taught growing up.
My theory is it was done on purpose for multiple reasons but mainly he wanted the prodigal son to still be with him. So he made mankind, little gods who look like him! So we would be more attached to him bc he is life. I think he wanted to experience life in us. Eternity is a long time.... I think he enjoys being with us and experiencing life with us. Like watching your baby walk for the first time.... so many firsts. Of course he could have had that in the garden of eden, but.... the new earth will be like the garden of eden. Everything will be turned around to the way it was suppose to be.
Okay so he knew everything was going to happen but allowed it. In my opinion the demons and the devil were basically used by God. I mean it sounds mean but he created them too. The tree of knowledge caused death bc God didn't want sin to last forever. He also allowed us to sin in time, a loophole in the law so he could pull us out of the crime essentially. The devil and demons sinned in eternity.... so they can't be saved. The wicked people on earth are just as useless as the demons but they are also used to help us or make us grow. They are the weeds.... if not for us they would be gone. But wheat grows with the weeds, maybe even in the same family. While we don't know the weeds we can tell by their fruit.
Now the law part. God is love and justice. So people love to remove that justice part. Jesus was essentially a loophole in the death law. A perfect lamb was needed to unite people and God. So now the devil is ticked bc he realizes God tricked him this whole time.
"Should" Jesus love us? No. But he does so why argue with it? Jesus was tested by God, the way we are only he passed. Jesus understood only he could do the task and trusted the father to make things right. Which he did. The suffering lasted on the cross and the torture, but then he rose and was in paradise. Again I say Jesus was blessed before the cross and was a rich man. It says he was a rich man. God paid his child support when the 3 kings showed to Jesus. The father always took care of Jesus, even on earth and that's why he loved him so much. The only time he didn't bless him was on the cross, and that's why Jesus says "why have you forsaken me?" Bc God is a God of blessing and the cross seemed like the opposite. But it was a loophole.
So there you have it. You may not agree with it but it makes way more sense than what I was taught growing up.
It not that I want to disagree with you directly, its what scripture says that has me wondering so much about certain doctrines, that has been labelled to a certain denomination.
I find labels so stupid, its like someone
could put a Nike sports label on a dollar t- shirt and some mug would buy it for 30 dollars.
The lord God says in his word, I the lord God tempt nobody.
I find labels so stupid, its like someone
could put a Nike sports label on a dollar t- shirt and some mug would buy it for 30 dollars.
The lord God says in his word, I the lord God tempt nobody.
Just "in part" Say it ain't so
Although that question literally SCREAMS OUT for a thread of its own (as it will probably derail the purpose of this thread if it continues), I believe that a man's will is free as long as he is able to choose whatever he wants most at a given moment in time. So, when a man with a fallen/sinful/stony heart chooses to reject the Lord, he does so both freely, and in accordance with his (stony-heart) nature and desires, which is proof that his will is free, in point of fact. It's only when a man chooses to do something that is at odds with his nature, and (especially) at odds with what he desires most in the moment, that his will cannot be considered to be "free".
That is all that I will say here about that topic.
As to the topic at hand, nothing about our nature (whether we are a person who still has a heart of stone and is, therefore, an unbeliever, or whether we are a person who has been given a new heart of flesh, who is born again and who has already come to saving faith in Christ as a result) has anything to do with God's choice to love us, or not, because His love for us is not determined by something that He sees in us, or by something that we've done/said/thought, whether good or bad.
As I said previously, the basis for His choice to love us is found in who we are to Him, alone.
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy
Say it ain't so
But before the work of grace, the heart is stoney, and even the stoney man is still duty bound to obey God. A stony heart is stubborn, but God says he will take away the stoney heart, He does not say he will try to take it away. Or give us some power, so that we can take it away ourselves, No he says he will take it away. And nothing will stop him ... So how is man's will free brother
That is all that I will say here about that topic.
As to the topic at hand, nothing about our nature (whether we are a person who still has a heart of stone and is, therefore, an unbeliever, or whether we are a person who has been given a new heart of flesh, who is born again and who has already come to saving faith in Christ as a result) has anything to do with God's choice to love us, or not, because His love for us is not determined by something that He sees in us, or by something that we've done/said/thought, whether good or bad.
As I said previously, the basis for His choice to love us is found in who we are to Him, alone.
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy
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