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Daniel only ate vegetables because the food offered him was not kosher.
If they offered him kosher meats, he would have enjoyed the meal.
God sees all believers as saints. The Catholic Church really landed a load of fake news on the people's heads as to manipulate them with religious thinking.
That was written to the entire Church in Philippi! All believers are saints!
In later years the Catholic Church dumbed down it's believers as it wanted to run their lives with religion, getting away from walking in grace and truth, true spirituality.
Grace and peace ............
If they offered him kosher meats, he would have enjoyed the meal.
God sees all believers as saints. The Catholic Church really landed a load of fake news on the people's heads as to manipulate them with religious thinking.
Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are at Philippi,
with the overseers and deacons: Philippians 1:1
That was written to the entire Church in Philippi! All believers are saints!
In later years the Catholic Church dumbed down it's believers as it wanted to run their lives with religion, getting away from walking in grace and truth, true spirituality.
Grace and peace ............
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Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
While you may say, "Those are the fruits of the Spirit, and not a gift", I promise you, they're a gift to anyone who has to tolerate me on a daily basis lol.
Other than that, I'm here prophesying in our Lord Jesus Christ, aren't I? That's all I'm going to comment on that.
If you want to learn more about me, listen to some of my sermons. I feel they're a good representation of how I perceive my faith. A lot of people really liked my sermon at Crossroads Church on my YouTube channel (I was attending there for a while and was asked to preach): July 31st 2022 Jon Minor (youtube.com)
While you may say, "Those are the fruits of the Spirit, and not a gift", I promise you, they're a gift to anyone who has to tolerate me on a daily basis lol.
Other than that, I'm here prophesying in our Lord Jesus Christ, aren't I? That's all I'm going to comment on that.
If you want to learn more about me, listen to some of my sermons. I feel they're a good representation of how I perceive my faith. A lot of people really liked my sermon at Crossroads Church on my YouTube channel (I was attending there for a while and was asked to preach): July 31st 2022 Jon Minor (youtube.com)
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I hope that you have read my other response to you. I was a pastor for 27 years preaching and teaching God's Word as a prophet challenging complacent churches to grow spiritually and numerically. I did have one vision; I don't remember dreams, but this vision I remember vividly more than 20 years after it happened.
It was a prophetic vision that God gave me in May, in which I first saw our church completely empty. Then, I saw all our members in a school gymnasium worshiping God and our children in the school's classrooms. Well, I preached my last sermon before we moved to another church about Paul's vision and "thorn in the flesh" (2 Corinthians 12:1-10) the following December.
During that message, I shared God's gift of the vision.
After we left, the church decided to move to the north side of town, and the new owners gave them several months to build their new building. After some delays, they had to find a place for them to worship and finally found that they could rent the Christian school gym and classrooms to use on Sundays, thus fulfilling God's vision to me.
Being a prophet is mostly preaching, teaching, and applying God's Word for the benefit of God's people, not predicting the future. Get good, conservative seminary education for that work.
It was a prophetic vision that God gave me in May, in which I first saw our church completely empty. Then, I saw all our members in a school gymnasium worshiping God and our children in the school's classrooms. Well, I preached my last sermon before we moved to another church about Paul's vision and "thorn in the flesh" (2 Corinthians 12:1-10) the following December.
During that message, I shared God's gift of the vision.
After we left, the church decided to move to the north side of town, and the new owners gave them several months to build their new building. After some delays, they had to find a place for them to worship and finally found that they could rent the Christian school gym and classrooms to use on Sundays, thus fulfilling God's vision to me.
Being a prophet is mostly preaching, teaching, and applying God's Word for the benefit of God's people, not predicting the future. Get good, conservative seminary education for that work.
The gift of prophesy ended around 90AD.
John when finished writing the last words of the NT around 90AD.
The gift of tongues, they ended in 70AD when Israel was overtaken and Jerusalem's Temple destroyed.
For tongues was to be a sign to the unbelieving Jews refusing to believe.
Yes... Some might experience a form of prophesy in our day.
But, it's nothing like the gift when it was operational by God's will.
John when finished writing the last words of the NT around 90AD.
The gift of tongues, they ended in 70AD when Israel was overtaken and Jerusalem's Temple destroyed.
For tongues was to be a sign to the unbelieving Jews refusing to believe.
Yes... Some might experience a form of prophesy in our day.
But, it's nothing like the gift when it was operational by God's will.
Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children.
In regard to evil be infants,
but in your thinking be adults.
In the Law it is written:
“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”
Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers;
“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”
Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers;
prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers.
1 Corinthians 14:20-22
1 Corinthians 14:20-22
Tongues were not given to bring unbeliever Jews to Christ.
It was to be as Noah's preaching in the face of those who God knew would reject his message...
Then, to face judgment when it came. (in 70 AD)
In Christ ........
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Only because this will get lost in the conversation, I will post it for those who look into this thread:
Recent mission: What is the point in being a prophet? - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
Recent mission: What is the point in being a prophet? - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
I thought this would encourage us all.
In Christ Alone.
The Lord says -
`It is not the towering ability of individual men that will bring the close of this dispensation to an end, but it will be the ripening, the molding, the perfecting of a Body of People that will be peculiarly Mine.
There will be no possibility for `flesh` to glory, for all will be interwoven one into the other, and in the centre of them will be the fires of Divine Affection, in the centre of them will be the seeds of Divine Love, in the centre of them will be the deposit of the eternal Purpose of God;
And when that time will come, it will be far greater! - drawing from the earth a people (who have been Mine) in the sense of rapture; it will be the carrying away from the earth of that functional Organ from the realm of Time into its Eternal Setting.`
Prophetic Word (part of) from the Apostolic Convention in Penygroes, 1943.
Prophetic Ministry through Pastor J.D. Eynon
In Christ Alone.
The Lord says -
`It is not the towering ability of individual men that will bring the close of this dispensation to an end, but it will be the ripening, the molding, the perfecting of a Body of People that will be peculiarly Mine.
There will be no possibility for `flesh` to glory, for all will be interwoven one into the other, and in the centre of them will be the fires of Divine Affection, in the centre of them will be the seeds of Divine Love, in the centre of them will be the deposit of the eternal Purpose of God;
And when that time will come, it will be far greater! - drawing from the earth a people (who have been Mine) in the sense of rapture; it will be the carrying away from the earth of that functional Organ from the realm of Time into its Eternal Setting.`
Prophetic Word (part of) from the Apostolic Convention in Penygroes, 1943.
Prophetic Ministry through Pastor J.D. Eynon
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John 25:24This is the disciple who is bearing witness about these things, and who has written these things, and we know that his testimony is true. 25Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.
As I recall Jesus said to his disciples, "Greater works shall you do because I'm going back to my Father."
So, as Jesus said, they did, meaning also the world couldn't contain the books if they were writen of the things THEY did.
Soooo many such works were done by Jesus' disciples, the twelve apostles' disciples, & so forth. Yet they weren't written down.
Then, because they weren't written down, somebody has the nerve to write down they DIDN'T happen because only the twelve has the gifts. Hogwash!
Even if the 12 disciples' disciples only did HALF what their mentors did, it would have still been a huge deal, for their disciples were many of each.
As I recall Jesus said to his disciples, "Greater works shall you do because I'm going back to my Father."
So, as Jesus said, they did, meaning also the world couldn't contain the books if they were writen of the things THEY did.
Soooo many such works were done by Jesus' disciples, the twelve apostles' disciples, & so forth. Yet they weren't written down.
Then, because they weren't written down, somebody has the nerve to write down they DIDN'T happen because only the twelve has the gifts. Hogwash!
Even if the 12 disciples' disciples only did HALF what their mentors did, it would have still been a huge deal, for their disciples were many of each.
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12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it."
"Because I go to my Father" That's the qualifier for "greater works than these he (one who believes in Him) will do..."
We shouldn't get hung up on the word "greater". It's just the Greek word megas. It's a common word used many times in the New Testament. It is a word that assumes comparison: when something is "greater" there must be something by which its existence is measured. In this case, Jesus is comparing the works He did to the works one who believes in Him will do.
It would calm the soul if Jesus was referring to the larger, corporate Body of Christ. Then "greater" works could certainly be understood to be "broader and far-reaching" because of the vastness of the Body in the earth. But, no, He's referencing "he"... one man... one believer.
And then the qualifier: "Because I go to my Father"
By reading that again I'm immediately reminded of this passage (This is just two chapters later, by the way.):
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."
There is this synergistic exchange from the Father to the Son to the Spirit and then to men. By Jesus going to the Father, only then could all the Father have be disclosed to men. The men had to first be changed from their old creations into new ones, awakened by the Spirit, before the things of the Spirit could be delivered to them. Otherwise they would not be able to understand what the Spirit is saying to them. This is consistent with the principle of the new wine skin and new wine: No one puts new wine into old wine skins.
We can conclude that the revelation Paul and the apostles received after Jesus' death was greater than what Jesus shared with the disciples when He walked with them. Jesus, in His kindness, even teed up this conclusion for us in John 14 so that we would not stumble, either by ignorance or pride. For whatever differences we might perceive between the Gospels & epistles and the teachings of Jesus, we should conclude: greater than. "Greater than" can add and expand upon what Jesus taught. But, we must not think that what was added was different than what was in the mind of God: the words of the scriptures are the words of the Lord. The gospels, the epistles and Book of Revelation are the furtherance of "all the Father has", not a different story.
Grace and Peace
"Because I go to my Father" That's the qualifier for "greater works than these he (one who believes in Him) will do..."
We shouldn't get hung up on the word "greater". It's just the Greek word megas. It's a common word used many times in the New Testament. It is a word that assumes comparison: when something is "greater" there must be something by which its existence is measured. In this case, Jesus is comparing the works He did to the works one who believes in Him will do.
It would calm the soul if Jesus was referring to the larger, corporate Body of Christ. Then "greater" works could certainly be understood to be "broader and far-reaching" because of the vastness of the Body in the earth. But, no, He's referencing "he"... one man... one believer.
And then the qualifier: "Because I go to my Father"
By reading that again I'm immediately reminded of this passage (This is just two chapters later, by the way.):
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."
There is this synergistic exchange from the Father to the Son to the Spirit and then to men. By Jesus going to the Father, only then could all the Father have be disclosed to men. The men had to first be changed from their old creations into new ones, awakened by the Spirit, before the things of the Spirit could be delivered to them. Otherwise they would not be able to understand what the Spirit is saying to them. This is consistent with the principle of the new wine skin and new wine: No one puts new wine into old wine skins.
We can conclude that the revelation Paul and the apostles received after Jesus' death was greater than what Jesus shared with the disciples when He walked with them. Jesus, in His kindness, even teed up this conclusion for us in John 14 so that we would not stumble, either by ignorance or pride. For whatever differences we might perceive between the Gospels & epistles and the teachings of Jesus, we should conclude: greater than. "Greater than" can add and expand upon what Jesus taught. But, we must not think that what was added was different than what was in the mind of God: the words of the scriptures are the words of the Lord. The gospels, the epistles and Book of Revelation are the furtherance of "all the Father has", not a different story.
Grace and Peace
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What demonic enabling can not counterfeit any alleged gifts you speak of?
That is why Christians have been told that certain temporary gifts have ceased.
It's for the protection of maturing saints, who would be confused and manipulated if not made aware.
It's spiritual warfare.....
It's not always nice.
But, the victory is glorious to those who remain true to the Word and do not walk by sight.
grace and peace ........
That is why Christians have been told that certain temporary gifts have ceased.
It's for the protection of maturing saints, who would be confused and manipulated if not made aware.
It's spiritual warfare.....
It's not always nice.
But, the victory is glorious to those who remain true to the Word and do not walk by sight.
grace and peace ........