Understanding God’s election

[Magenta]

1 Corinthians 4:7b; John 3:27; Romans 9:15-16 What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

 

[Kroogz]

Paul was one of the very top Jewish theologians that God had drafted to take Gentile believers, and convert them to the ways that Jews had known for centuries. Paul being a Roman citizen was the perfect choice, having known both worlds.

On the other hand...

Jews were not needing as much what the Gentiles needed concerning how to live as people of God.
So, for the Jews?
God drafted Peter to go to the Jews with a simpler message on one hand, but also embedded with revolutionary Church age truths.

In the end, after time passed. God had both teachings merge into one system for all the Church.

The gentiles are doing EXACTLY the same thing as the Jews did. Many gentiles believe they are born saved as the elect. And many are working the "system" to be saved. The simplicity of Christ is lost for the majority.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 9:25-26

 

[Magenta]

Romans9:6b-8

 

[Magenta]

Galatians 5:1; Romans 10:10a; Romans 6:17-18; Colossians 2:20 It was for freedom that Christ set us free. Therefore, stand firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. With the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness. Though you used to be slaves to sin, you have been set free from sin and become slaves to righteousness. You have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world.
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[HeIsHere]

Yes Jesus Saves! not tulip saves

Because this system is a "construct of men's imagination" sprinkled with some truth, it is like what John Piper states in his book “Five Points”......

He asserts that he will start with the Scriptures and end with TULIP.

But in reality he ends up defending TULIP with Scripture.

Typically they are very defensive and even though they have Google putting their websites at the tippy top of the search list the tide is turning, but not fast enough.

Yet, since it appeals to the ego it will probably never go away...... but to the very back of the closet would be good!

 

[Magenta]

Romans 10-13 + Galatians 3:5~ Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you obey the law, or because you hear and believe?

 

[Magenta]

Romans 10:4

 

[Magenta]

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

 

[Rufus]

Well I can tell you that doesn't work but on a computer keyboard. It sure doesn't work in real life. I have been in hundreds of churches of all denominations and we preached Christ, that Jesus Saves. Most people never knew our denomination, we wanted to see people won for the kingdom. I think that is what upsets me so about Calvinists and their ilk, I see no compassion for the lost, like Jesus has.

What a pile of horse manure! Reformed Christians have a great zeal for the Gospel and for lost souls because we realize that the world is filled with spiritually, dead HELPLESS people who cannot believe the gospel because it's against their nature. It's simply NOT in their nature. The world is literally filled with spiritually poor, naked, wretched, self-deceived people who have no idea of what awaits them at the end of their days. And against a heart in which there is no love for God or his Christ. Reformed folks realize that God MUST intervene into his elect's lives to rescue them in order for them to come to their senses.

But what about you FWers? You guys certainly don't see mankind the way reformed folks do. You see mankind as super people -- who can do things even God can't. Who can from an evil heart nonetheless make good decisions. Man is pretty resilient. Man possesses this awesome thing called "freewill" that can slay dragons and even raise people from the dead. Man is also resourceful. He knows how to figure out spiritual things, etc., etc. How can you feel sorry or anxious for such supermen and superwomen?

 

[Magenta]

Romans 10:13-15 ~ Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on Him in Whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of Whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? As it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

 

[Genez]

Another useless post. You just didn't have the ["freewill"]power to address the examples I gave in my last post. This thread has its share of empty suits....

Why do you always keep dragging the conversation down to the emotional level of a ninth grader?
Those must have been your glory days.
Since you do not want to give it up to grow up.
That takes humility.

 

[Kroogz]

How did all that equality work out with the Egyptians when God came down to rescue his people? And how did it work out for the two groups of Israelites who were involved with the Bronze Serpent episode in the wilderness? And what about the people in Mat 7:23 who Jesus never knew --- ever!? Since He never knew them, then how could he ever desire to give them eternal life (Jn 5:21)

I don't know and neither do you. We do know that they were not willingly functioning in God's plan. One of God's HARSH punishments for believers is physical death.......Saved as if through fire. ALL believers will enter eternal life, but not all will inherit all rewards. So we don't know who was saved and who was not.

ON THAT DAY. He never knew them. Judgement day. ON THAT DAY, every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess.....All unbelievers.

And they will "plead" their case with their good deeds. And He shall say, I never knew you......They never PERSONALLY believed in the Lord.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 11:33-36

 

[Genez]

Exactly.

The lord Jesus Christ died for all. And all of mankind have equal privilege and equal opportunity to receive His salvation.

God simply knows who will refuse what he has done for them, and molds them on his potters wheel to suit his purpose.

 

[Genez]

1 Timothy 4:10

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.​

No limited atonement there!

 

[Genez]

The gentiles are doing EXACTLY the same thing as the Jews did. Many gentiles believe they are born saved as the elect. And many are working the "system" to be saved. The simplicity of Christ is lost for the majority.

Misery... like history.
Repeats itself.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Well...you finally got something right. Congrats! However, I wonder if you also see in those three chapters a large amount of theological and practical applications to the original audience to whom Paul was writing...which just happened to be Gentile believers?

You care to amend this comment at all?

"Romans doesn't tell the Jewish "chosen people" anything since the epistle was written to Gentile believers."

It seems to me you should have spent more prayerful time in the Word of God, then you would know what you're talking about.

I know the Word of God and the character of God, it's not what you're selling.

Also, Whatever church you are attending, I'm wondering if it's one of the cult-like community that indoctrinates or brainwashes their members?

I have to wonder in all your many years of self-professed "evangelism" that when you encounter a tough question by an unbeliever who brought a specific text to you if you pull the same switching game on them instead of addressing the specif text brought to you?

Again, don't reach out to the lost. They don't need your kind of gospel. You would have cast the first stone at the woman caught in adultery. As far as the evangelism, God knows, and those who heard the Gospel know. I don't need validation from a keyboard warrior.

 

[Genez]

It seems to me you should have spent more prayerful time in the Word of God, then you would know what you're talking about.

You need to find a good teacher if you are ever going to find your way out of the box you hide yourself in.
Pray for a good teacher. That is what you should pray for.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

What a pile of horse manure!

Yes, I agree, it is, and I hope you don't share it with unsaved people.

How can you feel sorry or anxious for such supermen and superwomen?

Because they are lost and in need of a Savior, just like you. The only difference is the Blood applied.