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The entire Bible is for me and every believer.
"For" you is different than "to" you.

A.) Directives given to someone else may simply have nothing to do with you, but it's still in the Bible in order to learn from it.
B.) Example: God never told you to pack your camels and depart from Ur, but you can still learn from the story.

Have a great weekend.
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lrs68

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Who said anything about it being a chore? It sounds to me that you're making up strawman arguments rather than merely trying to defend your position.
Actually just telling you why I give. Didn't realize that was possible to be a strawman position.
 

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Do you stone adulterers? Do you attend the Temple three times a year? Do you sacrifice a lamb after committing a sin? Did you kill all of the Canaanites? Did you bang your arrows seven times on the ground?

Did you go out two by two throughout Israel? Have you gone over to Macedonia to preach? Have you brought Paul his scrolls and his cloak? Has Tychicus told you everything? Have you passed along Paul's greetings to Nympha and the church in her house?

All "No," I'm certain.
My job is the Great Commission + Love God with all that I am and my neighbors as myself. But the promises of God I apply because they are as effective today as the day God introduced them.
 

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The words Jewish Christianity and Jewish Christian’s do not appear in the Bible either. So if that means Gentiles we’re not Christian’s then neither were Jews. That doesn’t prove anything.

Every source I have read about the church at Antioch says that it was a mixed congregation of Jews and Gentiles. Regardless, it calls the Christian’s “DISCIPLES” not Jews. You are ASSUMING too much and without proof. That’s just your limiting what the word actually says. When the word Christian is used in the Bible, it NEVER SPECIFIES only Jews, but refers the name “Christian” to “disciples”, or “ANYONE” in 1Peter 4:11. How are you not afraid to speak where the Bible does NOT speak? Rev. 22:18-19.



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“Peter always and only wrote to the Jews about the Jews for the Jews without mention or consideration to the Gentiles, let alone the Body of Christ. Paul writing "anyone" referred to the Jews to whom he wrote, not Gentiles and not "Christians." Nor does this mention have anything


You seem to forget that the gospel is for all —not just Jews. There is plenty of evidence in the scriptures that Paul often turned away from the Jews to the gentiles and preached and worked with them. The Phillipian jailer was one example Acts 16. The churches where he worked were made up of Jews AND gentiles. Again your argument is based on ASSUMPTION—not evidence. Peter is the one who converted the first gentile in Acts 10. He addresses his epistle to the CHURCHES in 5 provinces—Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bythynia. Do you really believe that there were no gentiles in any of these churches???? Assumption!! Again. No proof! You are on sinking sand.

You said the Bible does not speak of gentile Christianity or gentile Christian’s. Well,
“Jewish Christian” and Jewish Christianity do not appear in the Bible either. Acts 11:26 the word “disciples” includes both gentiles and Jews. It doesn’t mean “only Jews.” That doesn’t prove anything!!

Acts 26:28 does not say “almost you persuade me to be a Jewish Christian”. . You assume too much. No proof.

1Peter 4:16 does not say if any “Jew” suffers as a Christian. No proof. It says if ANYONE— that, my friend , includes gentiles, blacks, whites, Asian, etc. Anyone” means any body. Not just Jews. Why would you try to make that “only Jews?”

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QUOTE="Dino246, post: 5441462, member: 223333"]I suggest you read the context more thoroughly. In 1 Corinthians 16, Paul was talking about a collection for the believers in Jerusalem, who were enduring a famine at that time (See Acts 11:28). He also taught that he himself was not asking for support, though he could. I have yet to come across a traveling preacher who does not …



Paul was paid wages to preach, the gospel, by the churches, 2 Corinthians 11:8. He told the Philippians that “ no church shared with me concerning giving and receiving but you only..” and “even in Thessalonica you sent aid once and again to my necessities.” It is not wrong for preachers to be supported by the church or churches. Where did the “churches get the funds to support the preaching of the gospel? The only place ever mentioned in the New testament of the church even having a treasury is in 1 Cor. 16:1-2. Regardless of whether you believe it or not, the churches in the New Testament were “ORDERED” to take up a collection on the first day of the week. Every week has a “first day.” Just as the Jews did not ask God WHICH seventh day to keep holy, neither did Christians in the first century have to ask GOd which first day of the week do you want us to give into a church collection? The Jews knew that EVERY week has a seventh day, and each time a seventh day came around, they were to keep that day holy. In like manner, every week has a first day, and they understood that every time a first day came around, they were to take up a collection for the church. How else could the church have funds to support Paul’ while he preached the gospel? churches also were commanded to take care of “widows in deed” in 1 Tim 5 They were taken into “the number” of the church and fully supported by the church. So the early church was involved in evangelism and benevolence. That means they had to have funds. It’s illogical to insist it did not come from a common church treasury when God plainly tells us the church had one. I Cor, 9:1 “Now concerning the “”MINISTERING TO THE SAINTS… and in verse 12 he says,” For the administration of this service not only SUPPLIES THE NEEDS OF THE SAINTS… “ There is abundant evidence from the scriptures that prove the early churches of Christ used funds from a church collection to do benevolent work and to support evangelism from a common treasury.

The early churches of Christ did NOT get their funds by selling “chicken dinners” and “Boston Butts!” There is no evidence of collecting funds into a Church “collection anywhere else in the New Testament other than 1 Cor. 16:1-2

“Now concerning the COLLECTION for the saints, As I have given ORDERS to the CHURCHES of Galatia, even so MUST YOU DO also.
“ On the first day of the week, let each one of you lay something aside, AS HE HAS PROSPERED…”.

This is a command for all churches. Every time there is a first day of the week. This provides funds for the churches to help needy saints, provide for their widows, and support the preaching of the gospel.

It’s fine for you to not believe this. That is certainly your choice. Just remember that Jesus said His word will judge you in the last day. Good luck with that.
 

lrs68

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"For" you is different than "to" you.

A.) Directives given to someone else may simply have nothing to do with you, but it's still in the Bible in order to learn from it.
B.) Example: God never told you to pack your camels and depart from Ur, but you can still learn from the story.

Have a great weekend.
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I prefer to share what I did and as a result God blessed me in hopes so it would cause others to try.
 

Cameron143

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"For" you is different than "to" you.

A.) Directives given to someone else may simply have nothing to do with you, but it's still in the Bible in order to learn from it.
B.) Example: God never told you to pack your camels and depart from Ur, but you can still learn from the story.

Have a great weekend.
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Great. What am I going to do with this camel now?
 
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Judging hearts is a dangerous business.
Can we know the heart?

We can't understand another person's heart in a perfect way, but we can certainly get in the ballpark... and God has provided metrics for this.

Examples:
* Matthew 12:34 "... out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks."
* Luke 12:34 "...where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
* Mark 16:14 "...he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed..."

Conclusion:
1. We can get a glimpse into a person's heart based on: their words, what they value and spend money on, and what they believe in.
2. There are many more passages explaining ways to understand a person's heart based on their actions.
3. We can't know a person's heart perfectly, but we can get in the ballpark.
4. Let's be honest, no reasonable person thinks Hitler had a good heart. Why? Because one's actions give insight into the heart.
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That's called stereotyping and it's lazy. Better to find out what a person actually believes rather than just label them.

Nope. I've had enough convos in the Calvinists threads all these years to know when someone believes Calvinist principles. I don't why people don't want to admit what they believe. If someone asks my denomination, or anything about my church I answer directly. If you believe God created a people to be saved, an elect, that's Calvinism, whether you call it that or not.
 
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Two distinct passages, not “one law”, and Malachi was not written to the people but to the priests. Further, Christians are not under the Law. The New Testament makes that clear in Romans, Galatians, and Hebrews.
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You're sure this is not what you believe?
This is what the Bible says regardless of the label someone might attach to it. I do not follow a religion or a theology, just the Bible. There is much more behind it all that your post does not say, but essentially, with God's Spirit given to man, God turned the page to the new era of Grace, rendering the four Jewish Gospels about the Jews obsolete and He put away the Jews. Through Paul, God in Christ sent a new gospel to the Gentiles, excluding the Jews. This is the beginning of the Body of Christ, not Gentile Christianity. This is the Bible and God simply calls it His truth.

A century later, Gentile Christianity began. Christianity has always been a religion of worship, but during the Age of Grace, elements such as worship, water baptism, discipleship, church buildings, temples, altars, Jewish law, tithes, animal sacrifice, and more no longer exist. The one gift of God's indwelling spirit replaced it all, and now we have a relationship with God—this being God's simple message to us. Satan hid this simple message from the world through religion. Every religion you can name—all of them, not just Christianity—represents the greatest satanic deception ever perpetrated on mankind. Through it all, Satan has one goal: keeping people from God. Satan must keep you in ignorance, away from God, and religion is his tool of choice. He accomplishes this by talking incessantly about God and people worshiping at God, a god, and more recently, his proxy, a false Jesus character that does not exist in the Bible. People follow these religions—a mirage—searching for God but never finding the relationship with God, and that is God's single message in the Bible that He gave to man. Instead, people constantly study the Scriptures, create religions and non-biblical doctrines, and follow the obsolete old era, but like the Jews, they are blind without God's Spirit and never come to the knowledge of the truth. They never receive the truth so as to be saved. And there is so much more. ........ AlexanderCross.org
 
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I am surprised the verse you cite is not Malachi 3:8-12, especially v. 10. However, the NT instruction amends the OT command thusly in 2CR 9:6-15, especially v.7: "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."
IOW, God commanded the Jews to tithe before the New Covenant was revealed, which did not affirm tithing as a law, although Paul taught that Christians should be willing to express divine love by sharing excess wealth with the poor (presumably through no fault of their own, such as because of their own laziness), especially fellow believers.
 

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Can we know the heart?

We can't understand another person's heart in a perfect way, but we can certainly get in the ballpark... and God has provided metrics for this.

Examples:
* Matthew 12:34 "... out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks."
* Luke 12:34 "...where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
* Mark 16:14 "...he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed..."

Conclusion:
1. We can get a glimpse into a person's heart based on: their words, what they value and spend money on, and what they believe in.
2. There are many more passages explaining ways to understand a person's heart based on their actions.
3. We can't know a person's heart perfectly, but we can get in the ballpark.
4. Let's be honest, no reasonable person thinks Hitler had a good heart. Why? Because one's actions give insight into the heart.
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I'll leave the heart judging to God. We can however judge fruit.