God had given us a commandment the Tithes & Offerings. How people today followed the commandment?

[maxwel]

The entire Bible is for me and every believer.

"For" you is different than "to" you.

A.) Directives given to someone else may simply have nothing to do with you, but it's still in the Bible in order to learn from it.
B.) Example: God never told you to pack your camels and depart from Ur, but you can still learn from the story.

Have a great weekend.
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[lrs68]

Who said anything about it being a chore? It sounds to me that you're making up strawman arguments rather than merely trying to defend your position.

Actually just telling you why I give. Didn't realize that was possible to be a strawman position.

 

[lrs68]

Do you stone adulterers? Do you attend the Temple three times a year? Do you sacrifice a lamb after committing a sin? Did you kill all of the Canaanites? Did you bang your arrows seven times on the ground?

Did you go out two by two throughout Israel? Have you gone over to Macedonia to preach? Have you brought Paul his scrolls and his cloak? Has Tychicus told you everything? Have you passed along Paul's greetings to Nympha and the church in her house?

All "No," I'm certain.

My job is the Great Commission + Love God with all that I am and my neighbors as myself. But the promises of God I apply because they are as effective today as the day God introduced them.

 

[Beckworth]

The words Jewish Christianity and Jewish Christian’s do not appear in the Bible either. So if that means Gentiles we’re not Christian’s then neither were Jews. That doesn’t prove anything.

Every source I have read about the church at Antioch says that it was a mixed congregation of Jews and Gentiles. Regardless, it calls the Christian’s “DISCIPLES” not Jews. You are ASSUMING too much and without proof. That’s just your limiting what the word actually says. When the word Christian is used in the Bible, it NEVER SPECIFIES only Jews, but refers the name “Christian” to “disciples”, or “ANYONE” in 1Peter 4:11. How are you not afraid to speak where the Bible does NOT speak? Rev. 22:18-19.



You said….
“Peter always and only wrote to the Jews about the Jews for the Jews without mention or consideration to the Gentiles, let alone the Body of Christ. Paul writing "anyone" referred to the Jews to whom he wrote, not Gentiles and not "Christians." Nor does this mention have anything


You seem to forget that the gospel is for all —not just Jews. There is plenty of evidence in the scriptures that Paul often turned away from the Jews to the gentiles and preached and worked with them. The Phillipian jailer was one example Acts 16. The churches where he worked were made up of Jews AND gentiles. Again your argument is based on ASSUMPTION—not evidence. Peter is the one who converted the first gentile in Acts 10. He addresses his epistle to the CHURCHES in 5 provinces—Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bythynia. Do you really believe that there were no gentiles in any of these churches???? Assumption!! Again. No proof! You are on sinking sand.

You said the Bible does not speak of gentile Christianity or gentile Christian’s. Well,
“Jewish Christian” and Jewish Christianity do not appear in the Bible either. Acts 11:26 the word “disciples” includes both gentiles and Jews. It doesn’t mean “only Jews.” That doesn’t prove anything!!

Acts 26:28 does not say “almost you persuade me to be a Jewish Christian”. . You assume too much. No proof.

1Peter 4:16 does not say if any “Jew” suffers as a Christian. No proof. It says if ANYONE— that, my friend , includes gentiles, blacks, whites, Asian, etc. Anyone” means any body. Not just Jews. Why would you try to make that “only Jews?”

You said…
QUOTE="Dino246, post: 5441462, member: 223333"]I suggest you read the context more thoroughly. In 1 Corinthians 16, Paul was talking about a collection for the believers in Jerusalem, who were enduring a famine at that time (See Acts 11:28). He also taught that he himself was not asking for support, though he could. I have yet to come across a traveling preacher who does not …



Paul was paid wages to preach, the gospel, by the churches, 2 Corinthians 11:8. He told the Philippians that “ no church shared with me concerning giving and receiving but you only..” and “even in Thessalonica you sent aid once and again to my necessities.” It is not wrong for preachers to be supported by the church or churches. Where did the “churches get the funds to support the preaching of the gospel? The only place ever mentioned in the New testament of the church even having a treasury is in 1 Cor. 16:1-2. Regardless of whether you believe it or not, the churches in the New Testament were “ORDERED” to take up a collection on the first day of the week. Every week has a “first day.” Just as the Jews did not ask God WHICH seventh day to keep holy, neither did Christians in the first century have to ask GOd which first day of the week do you want us to give into a church collection? The Jews knew that EVERY week has a seventh day, and each time a seventh day came around, they were to keep that day holy. In like manner, every week has a first day, and they understood that every time a first day came around, they were to take up a collection for the church. How else could the church have funds to support Paul’ while he preached the gospel? churches also were commanded to take care of “widows in deed” in 1 Tim 5 They were taken into “the number” of the church and fully supported by the church. So the early church was involved in evangelism and benevolence. That means they had to have funds. It’s illogical to insist it did not come from a common church treasury when God plainly tells us the church had one. I Cor, 9:1 “Now concerning the “”MINISTERING TO THE SAINTS… and in verse 12 he says,” For the administration of this service not only SUPPLIES THE NEEDS OF THE SAINTS… “ There is abundant evidence from the scriptures that prove the early churches of Christ used funds from a church collection to do benevolent work and to support evangelism from a common treasury.

The early churches of Christ did NOT get their funds by selling “chicken dinners” and “Boston Butts!” There is no evidence of collecting funds into a Church “collection anywhere else in the New Testament other than 1 Cor. 16:1-2

“Now concerning the COLLECTION for the saints, As I have given ORDERS to the CHURCHES of Galatia, even so MUST YOU DO also.
“ On the first day of the week, let each one of you lay something aside, AS HE HAS PROSPERED…”.

This is a command for all churches. Every time there is a first day of the week. This provides funds for the churches to help needy saints, provide for their widows, and support the preaching of the gospel.

It’s fine for you to not believe this. That is certainly your choice. Just remember that Jesus said His word will judge you in the last day. Good luck with that.

 

[lrs68]

"For" you is different than "to" you.

A.) Directives given to someone else may simply have nothing to do with you, but it's still in the Bible in order to learn from it.
B.) Example: God never told you to pack your camels and depart from Ur, but you can still learn from the story.

Have a great weekend.
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I prefer to share what I did and as a result God blessed me in hopes so it would cause others to try.

 

[NightTwister]

Ever hear the saying " if it walks like a duck"? There's your answer.

That's called stereotyping and it's lazy. Better to find out what a person actually believes rather than just label them.

 

[Cameron143]

"For" you is different than "to" you.

A.) Directives given to someone else may simply have nothing to do with you, but it's still in the Bible in order to learn from it.
B.) Example: God never told you to pack your camels and depart from Ur, but you can still learn from the story.

Have a great weekend.
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Great. What am I going to do with this camel now?

 

[maxwel]

Judging hearts is a dangerous business.

Can we know the heart?

We can't understand another person's heart in a perfect way, but we can certainly get in the ballpark... and God has provided metrics for this.

Examples:
* Matthew 12:34 "... out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks."
* Luke 12:34 "...where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
* Mark 16:14 "...he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed..."

Conclusion:
1. We can get a glimpse into a person's heart based on: their words, what they value and spend money on, and what they believe in.
2. There are many more passages explaining ways to understand a person's heart based on their actions.
3. We can't know a person's heart perfectly, but we can get in the ballpark.
4. Let's be honest, no reasonable person thinks Hitler had a good heart. Why? Because one's actions give insight into the heart.
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[ThereRoseaLamb]

That's called stereotyping and it's lazy. Better to find out what a person actually believes rather than just label them.

Nope. I've had enough convos in the Calvinists threads all these years to know when someone believes Calvinist principles. I don't why people don't want to admit what they believe. If someone asks my denomination, or anything about my church I answer directly. If you believe God created a people to be saved, an elect, that's Calvinism, whether you call it that or not.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Great. What am I going to do with this camel now?

Watch out! They spit!

 

[Godsgood]

Two distinct passages, not “one law”, and Malachi was not written to the people but to the priests. Further, Christians are not under the Law. The New Testament makes that clear in Romans, Galatians, and Hebrews.

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ECCLESIASTES 1:9
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

 

[Rufflebug]

You're sure this is not what you believe?

This is what the Bible says regardless of the label someone might attach to it. I do not follow a religion or a theology, just the Bible. There is much more behind it all that your post does not say, but essentially, with God's Spirit given to man, God turned the page to the new era of Grace, rendering the four Jewish Gospels about the Jews obsolete and He put away the Jews. Through Paul, God in Christ sent a new gospel to the Gentiles, excluding the Jews. This is the beginning of the Body of Christ, not Gentile Christianity. This is the Bible and God simply calls it His truth.

A century later, Gentile Christianity began. Christianity has always been a religion of worship, but during the Age of Grace, elements such as worship, water baptism, discipleship, church buildings, temples, altars, Jewish law, tithes, animal sacrifice, and more no longer exist. The one gift of God's indwelling spirit replaced it all, and now we have a relationship with God—this being God's simple message to us. Satan hid this simple message from the world through religion. Every religion you can name—all of them, not just Christianity—represents the greatest satanic deception ever perpetrated on mankind. Through it all, Satan has one goal: keeping people from God. Satan must keep you in ignorance, away from God, and religion is his tool of choice. He accomplishes this by talking incessantly about God and people worshiping at God, a god, and more recently, his proxy, a false Jesus character that does not exist in the Bible. People follow these religions—a mirage—searching for God but never finding the relationship with God, and that is God's single message in the Bible that He gave to man. Instead, people constantly study the Scriptures, create religions and non-biblical doctrines, and follow the obsolete old era, but like the Jews, they are blind without God's Spirit and never come to the knowledge of the truth. They never receive the truth so as to be saved. And there is so much more. ........ AlexanderCross.org

 

[GWH]

I am surprised the verse you cite is not Malachi 3:8-12, especially v. 10. However, the NT instruction amends the OT command thusly in 2CR 9:6-15, especially v.7: "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

IOW, God commanded the Jews to tithe before the New Covenant was revealed, which did not affirm tithing as a law, although Paul taught that Christians should be willing to express divine love by sharing excess wealth with the poor (presumably through no fault of their own, such as because of their own laziness), especially fellow believers.

 

[NightTwister]

Can we know the heart?

We can't understand another person's heart in a perfect way, but we can certainly get in the ballpark... and God has provided metrics for this.

Examples:
* Matthew 12:34 "... out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks."
* Luke 12:34 "...where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
* Mark 16:14 "...he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed..."

Conclusion:
1. We can get a glimpse into a person's heart based on: their words, what they value and spend money on, and what they believe in.
2. There are many more passages explaining ways to understand a person's heart based on their actions.
3. We can't know a person's heart perfectly, but we can get in the ballpark.
4. Let's be honest, no reasonable person thinks Hitler had a good heart. Why? Because one's actions give insight into the heart.
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I'll leave the heart judging to God. We can however judge fruit.

 

[Careym58]

These commands were given to ancient Israel and not to Christians.

So... what's your point?

The point is we can't bind Old Testament law to the Law of Liberty under Christ. If we bind one part of the law we must bind all the Old Law.

(Gal 2:16) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

(Col 2:13-14) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

This is what the Bible says regardless of the label someone might attach to it. I do not follow a religion or a theology, just the Bible. There is much more behind it all that your post does not say, but essentially, with God's Spirit given to man, God turned the page to the new era of Grace, rendering the four Jewish Gospels about the Jews obsolete and He put away the Jews. Through Paul, God in Christ sent a new gospel to the Gentiles, excluding the Jews. This is the beginning of the Body of Christ, not Gentile Christianity. This is the Bible and God simply calls it His truth.

Ok but we have had loads and loads of people come through here with one belief or another that they won't label and say they simply believe the truth.

A century later, Gentile Christianity began. Christianity has always been a religion of worship, but during the Age of Grace, elements such as worship, water baptism, discipleship, church buildings, temples, altars, Jewish law, tithes, animal sacrifice, and more no longer exist. The one gift of God's indwelling spirit replaced it all, and now we have a relationship with God—this being God's simple message to us.

Ok what about the people that haven't heard the Gospel and don't have the indwelling Spirit?

Satan hid this simple message from the world through religion. Every religion you can name—all of them, not just Christianity—represents the greatest satanic deception ever perpetrated on mankind. Through it all, Satan has one goal: keeping people from God. Satan must keep you in ignorance, away from God, and religion is his tool of choice. He accomplishes this by talking incessantly about God and people worshiping at God, a god, and more recently, his proxy, a false Jesus character that does not exist in the Bible.

What is false about Jesus, in the way that you mean?

People follow these religions—a mirage—searching for God but never finding the relationship with God, and that is God's single message in the Bible that He gave to man. Instead, people constantly study the Scriptures, create religions and non-biblical doctrines, and follow the obsolete old era, but like the Jews, they are blind without God's Spirit and never come to the knowledge of the truth. They never receive the truth so as to be saved. And there is so much more. ........ AlexanderCross.org

When I get a chance I will give it a look. We're fighting snow storms and frigid temps where I am right now. Hoping February brings better weather.

 

[Lamar]

if these verses are talking to you..

"if these verses are talking to you"???

What does this mean?

 

[Lamar]

DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

I have no corn in my yard, I have no winepress or olive press either.
I have no herds or flocks.

This command is for a time and place that no longer exist.

I also do not concern myself with the commands on gathering manna.

 

[Rufflebug]

Ok but we have had loads and loads of people come through here with one belief or another that they won't label and say they simply believe the truth.

I'm sure. One must always discern and test the spirits to know if they are from God.

Ok what about the people that haven't heard the Gospel and don't have the indwelling Spirit?

Everyone inherently knows right from wrong and good from evil. This knowledge is in all people. Every person born into this world knows enough to judge themselves according to a standard contained in their innate conscience. Ever heard of The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil? Everyone born into this world is a descendant of Adam and Eve and knows good and evil. It is all part of the package. You inherited both, and they are permanent and irrevocable parts of your DNA that you will have all your life—you, either condemning or else approving your thoughts, actions, and desires without even thinking. Give a child a piece of paper and a crayon and ask them to write good things on one side and bad things on the other, and they will do it without hesitation. No one taught them right and wrong. They know that when they took the cookie without permission, they broke the rules.

Everyone also has the knowledge of God. That too is a part of you, in your DNA, programmed into your very being by God Himself. Everyone has the signature of God on their heart. Even if a person does not know His name, or the name Jesus, even if they never read the Bible or know about anything else, they know there is something else beyond themselves. God makes Himself apparent to everyone, even in created nature, so that everyone is without excuse when they deny what they know and understand, then choose to do what they know in their heart and conscience that they should not. This is how God ultimately judges the people of the world at the Great White Throne Judgment, and everyone outside of a relationship with God fails the test. (Revelation).

Rom_1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

God knows how to save. In this Age of Grace, even without understanding anything, a person turns to God in childlike faith and God accepts them. Since no one can know or understand the things of God without the Spirit of God (including much of Christianity), we cannot understand and begin to grow spiritually until we have God's Spirit. Religion is not required or desired due to the present state of religion.

Christianity will never speak of it, but for most of the sixteen centuries of Catholic religion, there were no Bibles, the people could not read, most of the people in the world never heard of or knew about Jesus, and there were no preachers or missionaries to canvass the world proclaiming salvation if you do this or that. Neither Protestant nor evangelical religions existed during that time to “save the souls” of the people. For 60 generations, there was no “come to Jesus, make disciples for Jesus, have the heart of Jesus, conform to Jesus,” and all the other nonsense such religions preach and teach today about their false deity. So, what happened to those people? God saves, even by the testimony of created nature and their turning to God, who they understand.

Salvation did not begin with the invention of a false, apostate Protestant Christian “evangelical religion” of the mid-20th century sporting a false Jesus god, as this religion would have you believe. That is unbelievable. Yet today, a billion people believe this is true because their religion taught this to them from childhood. Their religion repeats the idea as a mantra constantly; it is what the four generations alive today choose to believe, and no one ever bothers to examine their beliefs to see if the things they believe actually exist in the Bible. I looked. They don’t. These religious ideas do not align with God’s truth, and we know that because you will not find them in the Bible.

Today, the largest and most difficult mission field in the world is Christianity. Satan has given these churchlings an anti-god religion to play with, to entertain them and appease them that they will not soon relinquish.

Today we live in a spiritual wilderness of false religions that know nothing and get everything wrong, where the church you attend follows and preaches a false Jesus deity and a false gospel and more. It is far more difficult for people in a worship religion to find God because they think they already have. That begs the question, “What if all the religious people never hear?” You can see what Satan is up to: giving people so much religion that they cannot see or ever find the real God. So, like the man in the wilderness, churchlings in false religions must take a step of faith away from their false religions toward God.

What is false about Jesus, in the way that you mean?

God In Jesus came to earth for the salvation of all mankind past, present and future. God in Jesus came only to His people, the Jews.

Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

In the history of the world, the Jewish Jesus for the Jews never had anything to do with the Gentiles. Nor did the Jewish Jesus have a roll in the Age of Grace. Gentiles are not featured in the Old Testament, which includes the four Jewish Gospels about the Jews. God, through the ascended Christ sent a Jew named Paul to the Gentiles to fulfill prophecy--that the Jews would bring salvation to the Gentiles (which included their bringing the Bible forward in time, and of course, Jesus).

As mentioned before, and as the name implies, Christianity always "worshiped" and focused on the Jewish Jesus of the old era. However, the only thing God's gospel says post-ascension, conveyed to us in Christ through the Apostle Paul, is our relationship with God, which is why He created us and why He came to us through Jesus to redeem us. The ascended Christ lives to intercede between God and the children of God who are new spiritual creations in Christ, having the Spirit that is Jesus that is Christ that is God. (This does not include all who call themselves Christians) God is only one, not three as the trinity suggests. The Jewish Jesus, who was intended for His own, the Jews, and never had dealings with the Gentiles, died for all the world. When religion singles out the "trinity Jesus" or the "trinity spirit," they do not pursue God. Have you noticed that there is not one sect devoted to our relationship with God except the Body of Christ? This is Satan's work. He must keep us from God. So, while people pursue parts of Satan's trinity, they turn their backs on the only thing the Bible says: our relationship with God. This is why God has no part in Christianity and never has. Predictably, religions focus on a Jesus proxy, assigning various attributes to their Jesus. Be like Jesus, follow Jesus, have the mission of Jesus, make disciples for Jesus, have the love of Jesus, conform to Jesus, and many, many more. This is not biblical, as nowhere in the Bible does such a Jesus exist, including in God's gospel to us. No where did God in Christ say such things. God did not tell anyone to follow Jesus. Paul, God's ambassador to the Gentiles did not follow Jesus and never told anyone throughout his ministry to follow Jesus including Timothy. And Timothy never told anyone to follow Jesus. Jesus is not calling anyone to follow Him today, nor has He called anyone to follow Him in the last two millennia―or ever since He called the twelve. During His three-year ministry, after calling the twelve disciples, neither Jesus nor anyone else ever called anyone to follow Jesus. This false Jesus that the world follows today is intended only to distract the world from God and our relationship with Him: the only thing the Bible says to us, completely hidden from us by Satan through his religion scheme. It is the same with the false Mary, the errant phony spirt of some religions, and the many errant religions of our day and days past.

That is to take nothing away from God who through Jesus died for our sins that we might have a relationship with Him. We now have the indwelling Spirit of Jesus who is Christ who is God, not a Jesus in a Bible and that's the way God intended it.

We're fighting snow storms and frigid temps where I am right now

Stay warm.



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[maxwel]

I'll leave the heart judging to God. We can however judge fruit.

God explains ways the HEART can be understood BY the fruit.

In scripture God explains much about methods of discernment, because he expects us to discern things.
If people don't wish to use scripture to discern things, that is between them and God.

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