Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?

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The exact opposite can be said of you. Why are you so dead set on making sure that everything fits nice and neat into your own personal understanding that don't allow for anything to fall outside of what YOU think is possible or not. To be honest I think your obsession with proving angels don't have "wieners", is just as baffling to me as proving they do is to you. I personally think it clearly says these things and honestly fits EVERYTHING in reality so much better than any other explanation I've heard. Now I don't want to debate this or get into it at all. This is so close to the bottom of the list of "things I want to debate brothers and sisters about", that I just won't, but my point here is that you are at the other extreme on this issue to the point you won't allow for anything outside of your own modern experience to have possibly taken place.

I think it's obvious something out of the ordinary took place here and made giants. Was that just really tall guys? What about the others that made Israelites feel like grasshoppers in there sight? Your view doesn't allow for these to be actual giants right?
So you have to fit these parts into you nice safe personal understanding off the top right? Like your view denies all these verses, right?

That's my point, you're calling them out for "having to make it all fantastical", but you're having to do the same thing the other way to make it 100% unfanatical. Maybe this isn't the hill to die on?
You obviously haven't been following along. All of these things have been covered. Gigantism is a natural phenomenum due to genetic defect; no need for fantastical speculation. At any level. Everything makes perfect sense without wandering off into la la land
 

John146

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“A son of God as evident in scripture is any creature made by God who was sinless”

show me any verse in the Bible sayong any such thing and you’ll have some merit . Here’s a sample of biblical support for saying mankind has always been Gods sons
Adam was sinless.
Angels, cherubims, and seraphims were sinless.
Fallen man after the new birth are sinless.
Jesus, the only begotten Son is sinless.
 

John146

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For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee?
Was Adam a son? yes
Was Adam begotten of God? Nope
Are angels sons of God? Yes
Are any angels begotten sons of God? Nope

Next...
 

Pilgrimshope

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Was Adam a son? yes
Was Adam begotten of God? Nope
Are angels sons of God? Yes
Are any angels begotten sons of God? Nope

Next...
Lol next haha no one ever said Adam was begotten it doesn’t say “ the begotten sons of God “ it says sons of God “

“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

how does you adding in begotten change anything I said ? Or what the scripture says about Adam a man being the son and not angels ?
 

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PLease, please, the context is obviously the things of God. There is no warrant to go beyond the written word to entertain fantasies that are not found in scripture
The fantasy is claiming that human to human procreation in Gen 6 led to total destruction of everything on earth, save a tiny little ark.
 

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You obviously haven't been following along. All of these things have been covered. Gigantism is a natural phenomenum due to genetic defect; no need for fantastical speculation. At any level. Everything makes perfect sense without wandering off into la la land
No I have, that's how I made the observation that you ignored to start debating with me exactly like I said I wasn't going to do. Sorry you missed my point.
 

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well then why do you believe God has not destroyed the entire world again for Christians marrying non Christians,
or Jews marrying non Jews, and that Christians/believers or even true Israel are a physically hereditary group?
Because He promised/prophesied not to... until the end of this age? .:unsure::geek:
 

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The fantasy is claiming that human to human procreation in Gen 6 led to total destruction of everything on earth, save a tiny little ark.
It sure seems like this is the reason he destroyed everything

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Genesis six never even mentions angels in any capacity it mentions mankind as the culprit angels aren’t flesh they are spiritual creatures

“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:5, 7, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its not about what angels did it’s about what man did because of our corrupt flesh through good and evil

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The only creature you’ll find in scripture called the sons of God is mankind the only creatures you’ll see created in his image is mankind the only creatures you’ll see given dominion over his creation is mankind his children


It was true here

“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and will be true here also

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:7‬ ‭

Gods children are created in his image
 

Pilgrimshope

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Because He promised/prophesied not to... until the end of this age? .:unsure::geek:
its a new covenant christians aren’t given Israel’s marriage laws were taught if your married stay married even if the other isn’t a believer …..we have a different covenant
 
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No I have, that's how I made the observation that you ignored to start debating with me exactly like I said I wasn't going to do. Sorry you missed my point.
If you've been following why did you bring up giants when I already addressed that gigantism is due to a genetic defect?
 

Magenta

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its a new covenant christians aren’t given Israel’s marriage laws
I am not sure what any laws have to do with it... marriage related or otherwise. The fact remains
that an answer to post's question is as I said: God has promised not to destroy the world again
by flood, and prophesy tells us the world will be destroyed at the end of this age.
 

Kroogz

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It sure seems like this is the reason he destroyed everything
Jesus Christ died for the whole world right? I know you believe this.

Anyone who believes in Jesus Can be saved...........What makes the Gen 6 generation un-savable? Because He died for TRUE humanity.


Isaiah 26:14 "They are dead, they shall not live; they are
deceased, they shall not rise."
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"Dead, they shall not live; Rephaim,
they shall not rise."

All true humans will be resurrected to life or to condemnation.
 

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Those who say angels are God's sons are making God out to be a liar because he said Jesus is his only begotten son. Any other son must be begotten in Christ through the spirit of God and adopted into the family of God
Then what are the entities that the Hebrew calls “bene Elohim” (sons of gods/God)?
 

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PLease, please, the context is obviously the things of God. There is no warrant to go beyond the written word to entertain fantasies that are not found in scripture
According to your”logic”, anything not in Scripture is not true at all. You have left no middle ground for there to be true statements outside of Scripture.

While that may seem like a safe approach, it will limit (and has apparently limited) your ability to learn. As I’ve said before, Scripture doesn’t tell us everything. We can reject anything that contradicts Scripture but need not do so otherwise.
 

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Lol next haha no one ever said Adam was begotten it doesn’t say “ the begotten sons of God “ it says sons of God “

“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

how does you adding in begotten change anything I said ? Or what the scripture says about Adam a man being the son and not angels ?
You quoted the verse pertaining to angels. That's was my reference point. Angels are sons of God, but not begotten sons of God. Only Jesus was begotten of God.