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The kingdom of God is withn you,Luke 17:21, either you are like Him and one with Him or you are not. It is the way of God that He be in you and you be in Him as one, John 17, heaven isnt some place you go to, it is a state of being and only Gods Spirit be in you can open that kingdom. Even heaven was opend to Jesus when he was 30 years old see Matt 3:16, and until we recieve the same heaven will only be a place that you wish for instead of entering into.
 
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There could be many. Do you know every person in the world, and the people you do know do you follow their every move to see if and when they sin?
I was just wondering if you have met one.

So have you or havn't you?

The you are saying you are sinless?
Yes, I'm found not guilty of my sinful deeds because as soon as I commit them they are forgotton by God. An act of GRACE through FAITH in Jesus Christ.

Washed clean.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no more condemnation to the that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
Hyper Grace teachers say that this means once you get saved you cannot be condemned for anything you do. Yet they leave out the condition of this promise. The condition is walking in the Spirit and not the flesh. Those that walk in the Spirit will not sin therefore they indeed will not be condemned
There is no condition to the promise. There is simply a STATEMENT of what WILL happen.

who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

Thats what Christians do. They do not ABIDE in sin. They are a new man. Reborn and walking after the spirit.

Thats a general statement about the WALK.

Nothing to do with absolute sinless perfection. A heretical notion.

The whole purpose of this passage is to explain that we must not continue to be led by our own flesh, lust, and desire. But that we have to let the Spirit of God lead us into the freedom from sin that He sent His Son to give us. Yet there are those that would use 1/2 of one scripture to say just the opposite. If that is not inspired by Satan, then nothing is.
Nope. It doesnt say things WE NEED TO DO.

It describes things WE DO. Fullstop.

Christians do this.

Wicked do that.

Predestination, and OSAS are both a lode of crap
I can see your well on your way to sinless perfection.

Not if we continue in sin
Christians dont continue in sin. They live after the spirit. We still fall short of God's Holy law every single day though.

You mean like Jesus, Paul Peter, James, and John?
None of them taught what you do.

God is able

Yep it is by the ability given to us by God that we are able. thank you for proving my point.
Huh? Jude 24 doesnt talk about anything WE are able to do or not do.

God keeps us in the faith.

God presents us spotless in His presence.
 
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You do not even know the meaning of the word legalistic. you apply it to anyone that thinks sin is wrong.
Now your just spewing falseties out?

Sin is wrong.

A legalist says if one who places guidlines other than faith in the work of Christ as a requirement for salvation.
As you are doing.
 
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All have sinned, past participle, but in Christ it is impossible to be in sin, either you are His righteous or you are not and in sin, it is one or the other but not both. He was snt to take away the sins of this world, how did He fail to do that in you? Why is it that Christ has no power to take away your sin? Is sin mor powerful to you than the Christ that is suposed ot be in you? Christ simply means to be anointed of God, Gods SPirit in you, Christ in you. Who tould you that yuou are a sinner? It sure wasnt Christ for in Him is no sin at all.
 
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All have sinned, past participle, but in Christ it is impossible to be in sin, either you are His righteous or you are not and in sin, it is one or the other but not both. He was snt to take away the sins of this world, how did He fail to do that in you? Why is it that Christ has no power to take away your sin? Is sin mor powerful to you than the Christ that is suposed ot be in you? Christ simply means to be anointed of God, Gods SPirit in you, Christ in you. Who tould you that yuou are a sinner? It sure wasnt Christ for in Him is no sin at all.
We got another one.

Are you completely devoid of sinful deeds in your life?

Yes or no.
 
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Seem some are looking at the Christ as some other person other than yourself, Christ in you, same as He was in Jesus, same anointing in you, same mind in you, same Spirit in you, same light. How can you say you walk in Christ and as He does and be a sinner? That just donet compute at all. To follow the way of Christ, which is without sin, or follow the way of law which is sin and death. Follow Him instead of the law and you will see that you establish that law. In Christ we are free from those things which hold you to sin.
 

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The only way you're proving your point is taking stuff out of context...
 
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The only way you're proving your point is taking stuff out of context...
Not at all God's word stands on its own. As stated in Jude ''GOD IS ABLE''. you are right if we could become sinless on our own we would not need a savior. However are full and complete sanctification in this life is a work of God's grace. When we receive Salvation through faith in Christ and submit to Him as Lord, God works in us to make us as pure as Jesus is.
 
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Declared NOT GUILTY of sin before the Father. (cleansed/washed clean/sin FORGOTTEN)

Not sinless in DEED.
According to you not scripture. According to Scripture God is able. Are you claiming your flesh is more powerful than God Himself?
 
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Not at all God's word stands on its own. As stated in Jude ''GOD IS ABLE''. you are right if we could become sinless on our own we would not need a savior. However are full and complete sanctification in this life is a work of God's grace. When we receive Salvation through faith in Christ and submit to Him as Lord, God works in us to make us as pure as Jesus is.
DECLARED pure.

DECLARED righteous.

Not made so in act and deed.

Do you pray the Lords Prayer 4runner?
 
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According to you not scripture. According to Scripture God is able. Are you claiming your flesh is more powerful than God Himself?
God is able to declare us not guilty. Correct.

Whats the other bit about? huh?
 
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A legalist says if one who places guidlines other than faith in the work of Christ as a requirement for salvation.
As you are doing.
I have done no such thing. And that is not even what legalist do. As I said you do not even know what a legalist is.
 
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We got another one.

Are you completely devoid of sinful deeds in your life?

Yes or no
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I doubt we'll get an answer Doc. But I'm bumping this anyways. Well Gary ...... it's a very simple YES or NO ??
 
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DId not God send Christ into this world to take away the sins of this world? Yes or no! Let me ask you how did He fail to do that? How did He fail in be ye therefore perfect, mature, even as your Father in heaven is perfect, mature? What is it about the Christ that you dont believe or follow? God sent an example for you to follow, to be like, to immitate, to walk as He walks, same mind, same Spirit, pick up that cross and continue where he left off. DO you think that you are excluded in His righetiousness and this feat? I dont knwo who has been teaching you your doctrine but it is contrary to what Christ teaches for in Him is no sin at all. Do you even know what it is to be in Christ, Christ in you?