God gave the law about Circumcision.

[Needevidence]

When was 8 days old it was all I could do was sneak out of the house, hitch a ride to the hospital, and plead with the doctor to circumcise me. But all I could think is...WWJD?

Great observation! again would be helpful to respond to the points raised - where did Jesus abrogate this?

 

[Gideon300]

Yeap its the usual argument of should we follow the law or not (basically, do whatever you want with no consequences)

Jesus never stated the old law is no longer required, far from it - Matt 5:17 - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law .........

1) Do you accept that Revelations clearly states that some of the law is still valid as this is the last book after Paul and others?

2) Matthew 23:23 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

3) coming back to Acts - Acts 21:20-26 The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them. (clearly following some laws)

Try reading the Bible instead of wasting the time of people who have. Start in Galatians. Either you accept the Bible as God's word in its entirety or you have no basis for salvation.

 

[Needevidence]

Try reading the Bible instead of wasting the time of people who have. Start in Galatians. Either you accept the Bible as God's word in its entirety or you have no basis for salvation.

I quote the bible - Jesus says we are not allowed to eat food sacrificed to idols or commit sexual immorality - he also says Law is a weightier matter - do you not agree with this?

 

[Cameron143]

Great observation! again would be helpful to respond to the points raised - where did Jesus abrogate this?

He didn't. He fulfilled it, so that you didn't have to relate to God on the basis of the law. He freed you from the law of sin and death, that you might walk in the Spirit.

 

[Gideon300]

I quote the bible - Jesus says we are not allowed to eat food sacrificed to idols or commit sexual immorality - he also says Law is a weightier matter - do you not agree with this?

That is not what I said. I said that you should read the whole Bible. Galatians answers most questions to do with the Law of Moses. When you've finished that, read Hebrews.

 

[Needevidence]

He didn't. He fulfilled it, so that you didn't have to relate to God on the basis of the law. He freed you from the law of sin and death, that you might walk in the Spirit.

Where did Jesus say this?

 

[Needevidence]

That is not what I said. I said that you should read the whole Bible. Galatians answers most questions to do with the Law of Moses. When you've finished that, read Hebrews.

I’m talking about Jesus or does Paul take precedence - and how can Gal undermine Revelations the last book?

 

[Cameron143]

Where did Jesus say this?

Matthew 5:17.
Romans 6:4.

 

[GWH]

TOP #24: The only circumcision that is salvific is that which is inward or of the heart and done by the Spirit. [RM 2:25-29, COL 2:11-12] Paul said that physical circumcision according to a written code has value only if one obeys the law, meaning perfectly per RM 3:23.

The second passage (TOP #203) indicates that water baptism replaced fleshly circumcision as the outward sign of faith in God/Jesus.

 

[Dino246]

would he helpful to actually respond to the points raised, please show me whats incorrect!

I did respond by addressing the point.

A dichotomy is a choice between only two options. You propose that one may only follow the law or, as you characterize it, “Do whatever you want with no consequences”.

Christians have the indwelling Holy Spirit Who changes our motivations from within. We uphold the law because we walk by rhetorical Spirit and not by the flesh.

People who don’t understand that are operating in the flesh, not the Spirit.

 

[Needevidence]

Matthew 5:17.
Romans 6:4.

fulfil - not abrogate the law - Matt 5:19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 6:4 irrelevant to Revelations or what Jesus stated

 

[homwardbound]

GENESIS 17:10-13

10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Today transformed to the Heart of us all whether Jew or Gentile or Greek or male or female
Circumcision of the Heart, a New Heart as in Ezekiel 36:26, read the whole Chapter

 

[Needevidence]

I did respond by addressing the point.

A dichotomy is a choice between only two options. You propose that one may only follow the law or, as you characterize it, “Do whatever you want with no consequences”.

Christians have the indwelling Holy Spirit Who changes our motivations from within. We uphold the law because we walk by rhetorical Spirit and not by the flesh.

People who don’t understand that are operating in the flesh, not the Spirit.

Not really - and where does Jesus say these things - lets do one point at a time - Revelations - are we allowed to eat food sacrificed to idols or commit sexual immorality?

 

[Magenta]

From Acts 15:20 plus 28 Abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements

 

[Magenta]

Acts 15:10-11 Why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.

 

[Cameron143]

fulfil - not abrogate the law - Matt 5:19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 6:4 irrelevant to Revelations or what Jesus stated

If you don't begin with the full council of God, you certainly won't end with it.

 

[Dino246]

Great observation! again would be helpful to respond to the points raised - where did Jesus abrogate this?

“Abrogate” is simply the wrong word. Read Hebrews 8:13.

 

[Dino246]

I quote the bible - Jesus says we are not allowed to eat food sacrificed to idols or commit sexual immorality - he also says Law is a weightier matter - do you not agree with this?

I disagree, because that’s not what He said. What He did say is that the Pharisees were neglecting the weightier matters OF the law.

 

[Dino246]

If you don't begin with the full council of God, you certainly won't end with it.

Psst… full counsel. A council is a group of people.

 

[Cameron143]

Psst… full counsel. A council is a group of people.

Maybe I want Father, Son, and Holy Spirit present.

Good catch.