God gave the law about Circumcision.

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Let us remember that other purpose of circumcision is to remove the exceeding skin or the Foreskin so that the opening of the Penis will be shown or expose what is inside. Because the foreskin is covering what is inside.
Therefore the cover must be removed so that what is inside will be revealed.

As an example demonstration of SPIRITUAL CIRCUMCISION performed by Our Lord Jesus as Spiritual Doctor.
Let us read the following verses carefully.
The Story of Lazarus:
JOHN 11:38-44
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Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
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Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Who will humble themselves and accept this revelation.

The Penis symbolizes the Cave.
The Foreskin symbolizes the Stone Lay Upon it

When the Stone is laying upon the cave, was a pitch of darkness inside. This is the equivalent of UNCIRCUMCISION.

When the Stone covering the Cave removed, the light came in. This is the equivalent of CIRCUMCISION.

Upon light entered inside the cave there is a dead body who is Lazarus. Then Jesus asked Lazarus to come forward and Lazarus came forward. And Lazarus risen from the dead.

Without removing The Stone that covering the opening of the Cave, the light will not come in and Lazarus will not come forward.

This is the Spiritual Circumcision that must be followed by everybody in any gender either Boy or Girl.
GENESIS 17:10
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
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Yes, I do. You have no life in you and are lost in yours sins if you don't.

My point is that Jesus was speaking figuratively about eating his flesh and drinking his blood, which is also what he was doing when he spoke about eating idol sacrifices
 

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Yes, I do. You have no life in you and are lost in yours sins if you don't.

My point is that Jesus was speaking figuratively about eating his flesh and drinking his blood, which is also what he was doing when he spoke about eating idol sacrifices
the Revelations passages I quoted as 'figuratively' - nope - how can you have sin if you have no law?
 
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the Revelations passages I quoted as 'figuratively' - nope - how can you have sin if you have no law?
Sin is disobedience to God's voice, ie acting unrighteously. Sin existed before the law

All unrighteousness is sin. 1 John 5:17
For sin was in the world until law, but sin isn't imputed there not being law. Romans 5:13
 
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Let us remember that other purpose of circumcision is to remove the exceeding skin or the Foreskin so that the opening of the Penis will be shown or expose what is inside.
This is confusing purpose with definition.

We know a lot of the Old Testament laws had health benefits. Uncircumcision provides an environment where bacteria can readily breed, and it can restrict blood flow to the male organ in some cases, potentially risking permanent damage or loss. Not the sort of problems desirable in a society that is to be fertile and virile. Some health and hygiene issues can even be transferred to the wives of uncircumcised men. Infant circumcision (ideally at 8 days old) eliminates all such problems before they can even manifest. I've known of several mothers who delayed circumcision for their sons, only to encounter health issues at a later age when it became urgently necessary, despite being more traumatic and difficult.

I don't think there's any scriptural evidence for what you talked about with caves representing the male organ, and even non-Christian cultures would associate caves more with female anatomy (e.g. the womb or vulva). My point is that there's more relating circumcision with a purging from uncleanliness than your symbolism with caves and stone representing the male organ and foreskin.
 

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Sin is disobedience to God's voice, ie acting unrighteously. Sin existed before the law

All unrighteousness is sin. 1 John 5:17
For sin was in the world until law, but sin isn't imputed there not being law. Romans 5:13
sin is disobedience to Gods command - you cannot be unrighteous unless you know what is & is not righteous (right or wrong) - that comes from Gods commands which are law.
 
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sin is disobedience to Gods command - you cannot be unrighteous unless you know what is & is not righteous (right or wrong) - that comes from Gods commands which are law.
You're just being obstinate and unamenable to what scripture witnesses
 

hornetguy

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sin is disobedience to Gods command - you cannot be unrighteous unless you know what is & is not righteous (right or wrong) - that comes from Gods commands which are law.
um.... wrong.....at least according to scripture.... from Romans 2

12 When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God’s written law. And the Jews, who do have God’s law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it. 13 For merely listening to the law doesn’t make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight. 14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
 

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When Lazarus was inside the Cave and dead, although he was Physically Circumcised but he was not Spiritually Circumcised.

Therefore: People who are Spiritual Uncircumcised are dead.

What is the use of Circumcision when the person is already dead?
It is easy to understand that Lazarus when he was in the Cave he was dead.
In man' understanding, dead people are those in Morgue or in Cemetery.

Since God The Father is Speaking in Parables Psalms 78:2.
God The Father is referring to Spiritually dead.

Who are the People that are Spiritually Dead?
This is what God The Father said.
PROVERBS 21:16
16 The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.

Anybody even He or She is Physically Alive but has no understanding from God is Spiritually Dead or Spiritually Uncircumcised.
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According to Our Lord Jesus people are being deceived:
REVELATION 12:9
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And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And everybody has no understanding from God.
ROMANS 3:10-12
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As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Therefore: People have the same situation same as Lazarus when he was inside the cave.
Yes, People symbolizes by Lazarus and the Earth is symbolizes by the Cave.

Since God is Love and God wants the people to be saved.
This is what God The Father gave the Commandment of Circumcision in GENESIS 17:10-13.


 

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um.... wrong.....at least according to scripture.... from Romans 2

12 When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God’s written law. And the Jews, who do have God’s law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it. 13 For merely listening to the law doesn’t make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight. 14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
Noted: But how can any one sin if there is no rules / guidance on what is right and wrong?
 

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According to Our Lord Jesus people are being deceived:
REVELATION 12:9
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And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And everybody has no understanding from God.
ROMANS 3:10-12
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As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Therefore: People have the same situation same as Lazarus when he was inside the cave.
Yes, People symbolizes by Lazarus and the Earth is symbolizes by the Cave.

Since God is Love and God wants the people to be saved.
This is what God The Father gave the Commandment of Circumcision in GENESIS 17:10-13.


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Question:
If God The Father Commanded the People to be Circumcised in Genesis 17:10-13.
How come Paul who taught by Our Lord Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) said Circumcision as if is forbidden?
GALATIANS 5:2-4
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Where is the word of God in these verses?
ECCLESIASTES 1:9
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

MALACHI 3:6
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
 
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Question:
If God The Father Commanded the People to be Circumcised in Genesis 17:10-13.
How come Paul who taught by Our Lord Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) said Circumcision as if is forbidden?
GALATIANS 5:2-4
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Where is the word of God in these verses?
ECCLESIASTES 1:9
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

MALACHI 3:6
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Because the whole of the law is fulfilled in Christ. If you're looking to fulfill it any other way, you're damned. Including by trusting in what is probably one of the easiest commands to obey in this day and age - circumcision.
 

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How can one be righteous / exceed if there is no right or wrong (no law) or its irrelevant?

“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.” Matthew 5:20
 

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Noted: But how can any one sin if there is no rules / guidance on what is right and wrong?
just as that scripture stated.... people know instinctively what is right and wrong....

14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
 

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How can one be righteous / exceed if there is no right or wrong (no law) or its irrelevant?

“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.” Matthew 5:20
The passage you quoted doesn’t relate to your question.

The passage is addressing the need for perfection under the Law (which is impossible for regular humans). Your question is about the existence or non-existence of laws. The two issues are only loosely related.
 

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How can one be righteous / exceed if there is no right or wrong (no law) or its irrelevant?

“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.” Matthew 5:20
Yes, God gave the law about spiritual circumcision.
 

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The passage you quoted doesn’t relate to your question.

The passage is addressing the need for perfection under the Law (which is impossible for regular humans). Your question is about the existence or non-existence of laws. The two issues are only loosely related.
Nope - Jesus condemned the pharisees so exceeding them is not impossible - they were far from perfect - again how can you be righteous if we don’t know what is right and wrong – clearly we have different interpretations
 

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just as that scripture stated.... people know instinctively what is right and wrong....

14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
What - so which one is right - the ones that say you can be gay and Christian or the ones that say you cannot be gay and Christians?
 

hornetguy

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What - so which one is right - the ones that say you can be gay and Christian or the ones that say you cannot be gay and Christians?
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Not really sure where that comes from, but, I would refer you to God's word for the answer.... unless you are simply wanting my opinion.... which is based on my understanding of God's word...