To keep the law of Moses, you must obey Jesus

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GWH said:
Well, I thought it might be because you thought I would be insulted by what you really thought of what I had to say, but if it really is merely that you dislike the abbreviations, here is the unabbreviated version:

As a person who loves God's Word may I add that we align with the New Testament mainly/primarily, and the Old Testament secondarily as interpreted or superseded by the New Testament, but we may also run with truth discovered by scientists and mathematicians, because creation and conscience as well as Old Testament laws manifest God's Word per Psalms 19:1 & Romans 1:20.
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Thank you, I appreciate that. I read all of your posts when I am following a thread.
 
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lrs68 said:
I will trust the words of Jesus Himself preaching His Gospel.

19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

According to your post compared to the greatest sermon Jesus preached you have established the level of LEAST in heaven.

Well done :unsure:
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You seem to be saying that you are under the law?
 
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lrs68 said:
Absolutely Not!

But Jesus gave us a Commission and Commandments to obey and we're all under that Covenant.
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Not us. No Christian is under the old covenant or old law when Christ died, which meant the new covenant replaced the old. Even the disciples were released from everything related to the old cov and law at the cross.
 
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ewq1938 said:
Not us. No Christian is under the old covenant or old law when Christ died, which meant the new covenant replaced the old. Even the disciples were released from everything related to the old cov and law at the cross.
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So you don't love God with all that you are and love your neighbor as yourself?

Jesus taught us the Lord's Prayer which includes daily asking for forgiveness and giving forgiveness {to our proverbial neighbor} and I suppose you ignore that as well..
 
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lrs68 said:
The Gospel of Christ Jesus!
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The gospel of Jesus Christ represents a new covenant based on His sacrifice for us.

Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out
for you is the new covenant in My blood.

The law of Moses is the old covenant based on the book of the law.
The old covenant was between Israel and God.

Exodus 34:28
So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water.
And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
 
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Inquisitor said:
The gospel of Jesus Christ represents a new covenant based on His sacrifice for us.

Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out
for you is the new covenant in My blood.

The law of Moses is the old covenant based on the book of the law.
The old covenant was between Israel and God.

Exodus 34:28
So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water.
And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
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I was never talking about the Law at any time.
 
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lrs68 said:
So you don't love God with all that you are and love your neighbor as yourself?

Jesus taught us the Lord's Prayer which includes daily asking for forgiveness and giving forgiveness {to our proverbial neighbor} and I suppose you ignore that as well..
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What I do not ignore is that the new covenant started AT HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS. Why post things that were spoken before that?

The real question is a person saved if they have one foot in the new covenant and the other in the old covenant?
 
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Does rephrasing the OP's statement as, "To obey Jesus, you must keep the law of Moses," change the intention of its assertion?
 
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ewq1938 said:
What I do not ignore is that the new covenant started AT HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS. Why post things that were spoken before that?

The real question is a person saved if they have one foot in the new covenant and the other in the old covenant?
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But you DO IGNORE the 3 years of Jesus teaching about His New Covenant.
 
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lrs68 said:
I was never talking about the Law at any time.
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Jesus was talking about the law in the gospels.

Jesus was only sent to the Jews.

Jesus was born under the law and Jesus was circumcised.

Gentiles are not subject to the law and Gentiles are not circumcised.

The law was never applicable to the Gentiles.

Jesus fulfilled the law and the commandments changed.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.
We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
 
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lrs68 said:
According to Bible Hermeneutics and Theologians (Protestants) God Himself doesn't have a God.

So either Jesus is speaking from His human nature, or the angel speaking for Him is acknowledging who Jesus is. But ultimately speaking, God does not have a God. God is God.
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Which church is it you attend if you don't mind me asking. I cannot understand what it is you are saying with regards to Jesus/God.

LDS and JW's teach Jesus is God but that is not an actual Christian belief, nor does scripture teach that.
 
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"Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Mark 10:21 NIV) "

There was no Church. That man asked about the law.. Christ answered Him. See I disagree with you because you said "you must obey Jesus" . How long did the 12 walk with Him day and night and years later said "if you love me". How can you love someone you don't know? Side note.. I love side notes Song playing "Midnight Cry by Charles Billingsley.. I can almost see the Father as He says .. Son I think its time to go get your Children.. HOW is this not SHOUTING TIME! Praise YOU FATHER!

If you love me keep my words, commands. Right at the start "don't rejoice demons are subject unto you but that your names are.. not will be not lets hope you stay sin free but are written in heaven. Who there at that moment knew Him loved Him?

He wants our heart.. people obey yet only because its written..well He said it so you know I have to. If my heart is not in it.. its the same as not doing it. I love this song Jon Reddick.. The Power of your Name.. YESHUA/JESUS! We lift up the name of Jesus.. hey get use to it.. all creation worships Him.. it never stops. If you hush them.. even the rocks will cry out. God telling Israel..if you do the same kind of sins (to the land) it will spit you out.. it? Everything He creates is life. So fall all I have done is.. Father I wanna go home but your will not mine
 
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greenonions said:
Nothing can be added or removed from what God commands (Deut. 4:2; 12:32), but did you notice that Deuteronomy 18:15 extends the law of Moses to everything that God's prophet says?

The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. (Deut. 18:15 NIV)

I guess this could mean everything that God's prophets spoke in the rest of the Old Testament, but especially what Jesus said. So when the rich young ruler wanted to keep all of the commandments, this might be the one thing that he lacked: he needed to do whatever Jesus commanded. (Though maybe "love your neighbour as yourself" may have been his problem too, but Scripture does not say that explicitly)

Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Mark 10:21 NIV)
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It prophesies a prophet like Moses, not about a prophet who would teach his own set of laws. The same God to gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus in fulfillment of the promise to bless us by turning us from our wickedness in disobedience to it (Acts 3:25-26), so there is no disagreement. Jesus quote three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, including saying that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so he affirmed its authority and was not in disagreement with anything that has come from the mouth of God.
 
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ocean said:
Which church is it you attend if you don't mind me asking. I cannot understand what it is you are saying with regards to Jesus/God.

LDS and JW's teach Jesus is God but that is not an actual Christian belief, nor does scripture teach that.
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No, Christ is God and the bible does teach that. Most Christians believe it as well. My sig has some verses that prove it.
 
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Jesus was talking about the law in the gospels.

Jesus was only sent to the Jews.

Jesus was born under the law and Jesus was circumcised.

Gentiles are not subject to the law and Gentiles are not circumcised.

The law was never applicable to the Gentiles.

Jesus fulfilled the law and the commandments changed.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.
We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
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No, Jesus taught about the Kingdom of God at hand which is for every human being.
 
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