Ask away.. I am willing to answer any question any about my biblical beliefs
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have you ever actually read ephesians 4runner?
Ephesians 2
By Grace Through Faith
1And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the bodya and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4Butb God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
One in Christ
11Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,c but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God byd the Spirit.
4runner, i know you are living in a world of your own making, one where you are righteous enough to merit favour with God.
so i won't argue with you, for you will have no other gospel than that one.
and this is your choice, you have free will, and can forfeit your salvation if you like. you do seem to like the idea....maybe you are a risk-taker? i do not know.
in any case, the biblical Gospel is nothing like what you teach and confess. i know you don't believe that.
as for the possibility of living sinlessly for 10, 20 30 years....well.....
you sin, and you sin daily, and you sin much. i know you don't believe that either.
because you do not understand that you have not loved The Lord Thy God with all your heart mind and soul, nor your neighbour as yourself. you didn't do it yesterday, not today, and you will not do it tomorrow. you are not able.
there was only ONE who did.
it's a bitter pill for the self-righteous, and many will never swallow that pill - they can't.
the Gospel of grace is far too offensive for a righteous man who may have begun in the Spirit, but indeed is making himself now perfect in the flesh.
we most assuredly disagree on all points of what it means to be a Christian.
but we are still human beings, and so in that spirit i say,
take care, have a lovely day.
zone
Ephesians 2
By Grace Through Faith
1And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the bodya and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4Butb God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
One in Christ
11Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,c but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God byd the Spirit.
4runner, i know you are living in a world of your own making, one where you are righteous enough to merit favour with God.
so i won't argue with you, for you will have no other gospel than that one.
and this is your choice, you have free will, and can forfeit your salvation if you like. you do seem to like the idea....maybe you are a risk-taker? i do not know.
in any case, the biblical Gospel is nothing like what you teach and confess. i know you don't believe that.
as for the possibility of living sinlessly for 10, 20 30 years....well.....
you sin, and you sin daily, and you sin much. i know you don't believe that either.
because you do not understand that you have not loved The Lord Thy God with all your heart mind and soul, nor your neighbour as yourself. you didn't do it yesterday, not today, and you will not do it tomorrow. you are not able.
there was only ONE who did.
it's a bitter pill for the self-righteous, and many will never swallow that pill - they can't.
the Gospel of grace is far too offensive for a righteous man who may have begun in the Spirit, but indeed is making himself now perfect in the flesh.
we most assuredly disagree on all points of what it means to be a Christian.
but we are still human beings, and so in that spirit i say,
take care, have a lovely day.
zone
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What a crazy thread. I haven't even read all of it.
4runner, I was going to ask for your definition of "sin" and "perfect" so as to better understand. I feel that so much dissension among fellow Christians comes from a lack of word definition. For example, I believe that sin is knowing the right thing to do (in any situation) and choosing not to do it. (James 4:17) also I believe that being perfect is essentially living up to all the light we have. Whatever we know to do, we do it. And as we obey, God shows us more. Therefore, I believe it is possible to live a perfect life as we were commanded (Matt. 5:48) through God's amazing grace!
Anyway, that was just my two cents on the subject so you can see where I'm coming from. Thanks!
4runner, I was going to ask for your definition of "sin" and "perfect" so as to better understand. I feel that so much dissension among fellow Christians comes from a lack of word definition. For example, I believe that sin is knowing the right thing to do (in any situation) and choosing not to do it. (James 4:17) also I believe that being perfect is essentially living up to all the light we have. Whatever we know to do, we do it. And as we obey, God shows us more. Therefore, I believe it is possible to live a perfect life as we were commanded (Matt. 5:48) through God's amazing grace!
Anyway, that was just my two cents on the subject so you can see where I'm coming from. Thanks!
Just so you know from this point forward, I will answer all honest questions, but I will ignore all negativity and childish rhetoric.
Furthermore I would ask if you here to debate or cause division or strife, post in another thread. There are plenty of threads that you can cause trouble in. Please and thank you.
Furthermore I would ask if you here to debate or cause division or strife, post in another thread. There are plenty of threads that you can cause trouble in. Please and thank you.
YOU WILL BE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD.
yay!
we agree.
over and out then (though i thought we were getting somewhere, at least in making the chasm between us distinct and clear....but i presume you mean when you say that on 4runner's thread debate; division; strife, etc is occuring its because others question your beliefs).
now that we have established this is what the goose gets, be certain to eat your sauce when your time comes.
have a great day.
gander
No it is not because you challenge my beliefs it is when people such as strangelove ask the exact same question for 3 days and then start accusing people of being Gnostics. You can challenge my position all you want (although I said at the beginning I wasnt going to debate just tell you want I believe on any articular subject) just do it with some dignity.
If you want to challenge what I believe that is fine, if you want to rude, immature, and cause strife, I will ignore you.
Not just you zone, but starangelove, and anyone else with an ax to grind.
If you want to challenge what I believe that is fine, if you want to rude, immature, and cause strife, I will ignore you.
Not just you zone, but starangelove, and anyone else with an ax to grind.
So then explain this statement?
You make a distinction between SINS and MISTAKES.
I asked you what MISTAKES means:
And you said:
So stop lying and pretending you didnt make a distinction....and tell us what the difference is?
Sinless and perfect are not the same thing according to you. Sinless means you dont sin and PERFECT means not even any ACCIDENTAL SINS.
So WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?
Check.
You make a distinction between SINS and MISTAKES.
I asked you what MISTAKES means:
And you said:
So stop lying and pretending you didnt make a distinction....and tell us what the difference is?
Sinless and perfect are not the same thing according to you. Sinless means you dont sin and PERFECT means not even any ACCIDENTAL SINS.
So WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?
Check.
Once agaon you are attempting to be deceptive. Mistake in this answer has nothing to do with sin. It is about mis-spelling a word...is that sin, going the wrong direction in your car....is that sin. Forgeting something at the store...is that sin. I wasnt even talking about sin at all.
The fact is living a sinless life doesnt make you perfect, it makes you sinless. God has called us to live sinlessly, and has empowered us to do so. No amount of question and twisting others words around to deceive, and muddy the truth will change that fact
The fact is living a sinless life doesnt make you perfect, it makes you sinless. God has called us to live sinlessly, and has empowered us to do so. No amount of question and twisting others words around to deceive, and muddy the truth will change that fact