The double-standards of the preterist and why I left that system

[MrE]

two questions, not three

That's a pretty silly assertion. Since we've never met in person, let's say we decide to do so.

What time and where do you want to meet?

You can argue that I just asked only one question.... congrats. It's still silly, because it has two different and distinct elements that while related, they are separate and the answer to one in no way answers the other.

Do you get it now?

 

[MrE]

Please read these groups of posts:

https://christianchat.com/conspirac...m/wars-and-rumors-of-war.196408/#post-4450502 (post #9)
https://christianchat.com/conspirac...m/wars-and-rumors-of-war.196408/#post-4451797 (post #11)

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why…-we-are-not…-and-will-not…-go-through-the-tribulation.212413/page-8#post-5152528 (post #143)
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why…-we-are-not…-and-will-not…-go-through-the-tribulation.212413/page-8#post-5152533 (post #144)
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why…-we-are-not…-and-will-not…-go-through-the-tribulation.212413/page-8#post-5152544 (post #145)

Mission accomplished. Homework complete.

When and where?

When and what?

-And you are ignoring the obvious in favor of the obscure. That’s a fatal error in logic and scientific inquiry.

When he spoke of “this generation” he was speaking directly to, and about “that” generation. Don’t let your notions feed the narrative. It’s fine just the way it’s written.

 

[TMS]

The 'paradise' that Jesus referred to was (at that time) "in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40).

Study.

Please explain this paradise??
From the scripture.

You need to do some study. But, before you do that - why do you not believe the words of Jesus?

If He said the thief would be with Him in paradise that day - you can believe it - the thief was with Him in paradise that day - period.

You just need a better understanding of what Jesus was talking about.

Study the whole Bible, All of scripture.

God's word and truth does not contradict itself.

It is proven that the comma ,,, was added by man.

And the rest of scripture proves that the dead do not go to heaven or paradise or hell until they are raised from the dead.

I do believe that the thief will be with Jesus in paradise, I believe Jesus told him that day.

But I also believe what the rest of scripture teaches.

Job 4:17 Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?

Mortal = subject to death....
God did not make us without the capacity to die. The fact is, only God is immortal.
Eze 18:4 ....so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Is David saved? Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, ......
Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

The inspired Peter said David was right out there in his grave, and had not yet ascended to heaven. How interesting! If the man after God’s own heart had not received his reward 1,000 years after death, what about all the other good people who had lived and died up to that time?

Jesus assured the people of His day, Luke 14:4 ...thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just. Again, He said, Matt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. There is no equivocation here. In simple, direct language Jesus declared that no one would be rewarded until the resurrection takes place at His second coming.

Your trying to prove that the thief recieved his reward when Jesus died.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Both good and bad are sleeping in their graves until the resurrection day. At that time they are brought forth to face the judgment, after which punishments and rewards are assigned. Job said,
Job 14:12-14
12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. 13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

Dan 12:1-2 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, ....and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Psa 146:3,4 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Of all the inspired writers that talk about death, they always speak of unconsciousness. Never once do we find any of the exciting descriptions of life after death which mark the modern version of the doctrine. It seems that all the pagan teachings have become part of the modern Church's.

Ecc 9:5-6 KJV 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

There are many more verses but people still try to say the thief was conscious

You asked me to study the subject
Please show me from the bible how the thief was conscious after death..

 

[TMS]

1 Corinthians 3:16-20
3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the Temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the Temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

It is so sad that millions of christian are looking to the things of this evil earth instead of the heavens above.

The only thing that is worth anything in this world is our souls. The thing that Jesus gave all for. He came to save us.

Rev 22:12-14
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[Jimbone]

It can be fulfilled if the church is the temple. By a cursory reading of the New Testament, one could understand that the church is made up of both carnal and spiritual people, and that some peo[le who are spiritual canfall into fleshly livng and fall away from the faith. People who believe in OSAS might not be able to countenance the temple of 2 Thessalonians 2:4 being the church, because their presuppositions exclude the possibility. But those of us who concede that it seems possible that Christians could fall from grace do not have the same presuppositions preempting the conclusion. To us, the antichrist can indeed istall himself in the temple and deceive many ill-informed Christians into believing he is God: Christ returned.

Jesus already clearly told them when this was going to happen, and yes, no one knows the day or hour, but that generation would not pass away until ALL those things took place. There is no way around this without ADDING to scripture with your presupositions, charts, graphs, timelines, and gurus to exsplain it. That's just what the words say. God always said the Messiah was going to bring salvation and then judgement. Judgement specifically against the covenant breaking Jews, the very Jews that screamed "Crusify Him!", "We have no king but Ceasar!", and "His blood be on our heads and the heads of our children". These are the people Jesus said things to on the way to the crucifixion to like, "Don't weep for me, weep for your children", the children He said and knew were going to face this judgement.

Nothing fits scripture like the truth, and just the nature of the whole "pre-tribulation", still "future to us", kind of theology is just such a contradiction to that. I'm down here in the south, this belief reigns supreme here by a LONG shot. I know it very well and was one of the most interesting subjects to me, early in my walk. I know it pretty well and do not understand why it's so hard for people to take a step back and at least look at what I'm saying. You have got to bring so much to the text in order to even start to understand what it "really means" in the pre-trib context, and why this over here that sounds contradictory really isn't because you have to cut it here and run it parallel with that over there. The honest truth is that you can't "pull" this view from scripture, you have to add so much to His word that once I saw this there was no way I could just ignore it.

I know you can, and will, but the only way you can get around it is to ignore it and act as if it's not so. I don't blame anyone for believing it, there are some geniuses, highly educated pastors and leaders vastly beyond anything I could ever hope of doing, highly respected men that believe and teach this on a level that would leave me speechless and taking notes, that have been taught and been teaching this their whole lives. It's DEEPLY ingrained in everything at this point. So much so that people are just blind to the shear amount you do have to "bring into" the text in order to get this whole pre-trib theology as a whole.

So, we can go on to debate this, that, or the other about the details of each belief, but if you take a step back and are honest about it, you cannot avoid the glaring fact that this belief requires you to add (a lot) to His word to understand it "correctly".

 

[HeIsHere]

Magenta is correct - in the context of the above verse, 'paradise' is not [the 3rd] heaven.

Where did I state paradise and heaven are the same, no where.
My point was not about the location, but that "soul sleep" is not a thing.

 

[Hakawaka]

Is David saved? Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, ......
Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Yes he is, his spirit is in heaven yes, but his body is not.

Of all the inspired writers that talk about death, they always speak of unconsciousness. Never once do we find any of the exciting descriptions of life after death which mark the modern version of the doctrine. It seems that all the pagan teachings have become part of the modern Church's.

We do, read Revelation chapter 6 for example, chapters 4 or 5 was it? The souls in heaven are talking. Revelation 20 souls are coming to life. Its not paganism its in the bible.

Ecc 9:5-6 KJV 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Yes their memory is forgotten and they pass on, once again, their bodies are done for, until the resurrection. But as the story of rich man and Lazarus shows, there is an afterlife.

 

[HeIsHere]

Why, ?
Are you going to believe the bible? And acknowledge that the thief could not be with Jesus in heaven on that day?

The point is that soul sleep is a myth.

 

[MrE]

Nothing fits scripture like the truth, and just the nature of the whole "pre-tribulation", still "future to us", kind of theology is just such a contradiction to that. I'm down here in the south, this belief reigns supreme here by a LONG shot. I know it very well and was one of the most interesting subjects to me, early in my walk. I know it pretty well and do not understand why it's so hard for people to take a step back and at least look at what I'm saying. You have got to bring so much to the text in order to even start to understand what it "really means" in the pre-trib context, and why this over here that sounds contradictory really isn't because you have to cut it here and run it parallel with that over there. The honest truth is that you can't "pull" this view from scripture, you have to add so much to His word that once I saw this there was no way I could just ignore it.

I sympathize with you and your Southern plight. You might as well go try sell Jesus in Jerusalem or Seattle. They each have their own way of considering things, and it's not like yours.

It's almost impossible-- very difficult at best, to convince someone of the truth when it is completely counter to their own ideas, their own beliefs and the things they've been taught.... the ideas they've bought.

A better way (and @GaryA) can probably attest to this truth-- is to get them to examine the lies, the misinformation, the deceptions, the mistakes and ultimately-- the evidence. The truth is what will stand at the end. You don't have to convince anyone, rather each person must choose for themselves whether to accept that uncomfortable truth, or cling to those tired lies for sake of comfort.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Paradise is not heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:17-18 plus 1 Thessalonians 4:14

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭

“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭37:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:51-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; And his kingdom ruleth over all.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭103:19‬ ‭KJV‬

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18‬ ‭


“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬ ‭
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Start here:

Isaiah 65:

17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isaiah 66:

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

2 Peter 3:

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Indeed

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes this a consistent interpretation of scripture. I really liked the way you phrased the last line.
Such a blessing to read.

Sounds good because I was just summarizing Paul’s teaching there in Galatians three regarding the seed of promise

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

…For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16, 27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬
“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Replacement theology believes all that.
Non Replacement theology also believes every word of that.

ive noticed in a couple years here a lot of times man made terms like “ replacement theology “ everyone sort of has thier own meaning of what the term means.

can you explain what you mean by the term “ replacement theology ?” Do they both agree with this concept taught by Jesus ?

“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Or Again

“But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

those concepts relevant to replacement theology ? Or one of many prophecies to isreal Like this ?

“I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; …….

which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:2-3, 5-9, 11-12, 15‬ ‭

It seems like someone is being warned that they’ll be replaced with another people at some point . Is this replacement theology ?

 

[PaulThomson]

Jesus already clearly told them when this was going to happen, and yes, no one knows the day or hour, but that generation would not pass away until ALL those things took place. There is no way around this without ADDING to scripture with your presupositions, charts, graphs, timelines, and gurus to exsplain it. That's just what the words say. God always said the Messiah was going to bring salvation and then judgement. Judgement specifically against the covenant breaking Jews, the very Jews that screamed "Crusify Him!", "We have no king but Ceasar!", and "His blood be on our heads and the heads of our children". These are the people Jesus said things to on the way to the crucifixion to like, "Don't weep for me, weep for your children", the children He said and knew were going to face this judgement.

Nothing fits scripture like the truth, and just the nature of the whole "pre-tribulation", still "future to us", kind of theology is just such a contradiction to that. I'm down here in the south, this belief reigns supreme here by a LONG shot. I know it very well and was one of the most interesting subjects to me, early in my walk. I know it pretty well and do not understand why it's so hard for people to take a step back and at least look at what I'm saying. You have got to bring so much to the text in order to even start to understand what it "really means" in the pre-trib context, and why this over here that sounds contradictory really isn't because you have to cut it here and run it parallel with that over there. The honest truth is that you can't "pull" this view from scripture, you have to add so much to His word that once I saw this there was no way I could just ignore it.

I know you can, and will, but the only way you can get around it is to ignore it and act as if it's not so. I don't blame anyone for believing it, there are some geniuses, highly educated pastors and leaders vastly beyond anything I could ever hope of doing, highly respected men that believe and teach this on a level that would leave me speechless and taking notes, that have been taught and been teaching this their whole lives. It's DEEPLY ingrained in everything at this point. So much so that people are just blind to the shear amount you do have to "bring into" the text in order to get this whole pre-trib theology as a whole.

So, we can go on to debate this, that, or the other about the details of each belief, but if you take a step back and are honest about it, you cannot avoid the glaring fact that this belief requires you to add (a lot) to His word to understand it "correctly".

Mat 24:34
“Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Mar 13:30
“Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Luk 21:32
“Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

γενεά geneá, ghen-eh-ah'; from (a presumed derivative of) G1085; a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons):—age, generation, nation, time.

γενεά, -ᾶς, ἡ, (ΓΕΝΩ, γίνομαι [cf. Curtius, p. 610]); Sept. often for דּוֹר; in Greek writings from Homer down;
1. a begetting, birth, nativity: Herodotus 3, 33; Xenophon, Cyril 1, 2, 8, etc.; [others make the collective sense the primary significance, see Curtius as above].
2. passively, that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family;

I think Jesus was assuring the Jews that despite the terrible things that would happen to them in 70AD and down through history, they would continue to exist as a nation until His return at the end of the age.

 

[Kroogz]

I think Jesus was assuring the Jews that despite the terrible things that would happen to them in 70AD and down through history, they would continue to exist as a nation until His return at the end of the age.

Read this again......let it sink in. So very true.

Now try to devise a plan that a believer can lose/walk away/forfeit salvation.

 

[Kroogz]

Don Preston is way ahead in his exegesis.

I would beg to differ. He goes to great lengths to disprove (or shy away from) a bodily resurrection for Christ and born again believers. Understandably so for his view of eschatology .
@Divinewatermark has a deep and understandable view on eschatology.

 

[HeIsHere]

I would beg to differ. He goes to great lengths to disprove (or shy away from) a bodily resurrection for Christ and born again believers. Understandably so for his view of eschatology .
@Divinewatermark has a deep and understandable view on eschatology.

He believes in the real bodily resurrection of Christ Jesus and of the believers in the first century, that is just what people say to cast aspersions and to keep futurism going even though it has been 2000+ plus years since Christ Jesus stated "this generation" and "when YOU see these things."

 

[Kroogz]

He believes in the real bodily resurrection of Christ Jesus and of the believers in the first century, that is just what people say to cast aspersions and to keep futurism going even though it has been 2000+ plus years since Christ Jesus stated "this generation" and "when YOU see these things."

Nope. Donny P knows the contradiction. And that is why he wavers on this subject.
Pretty HUGE event.......Can you point me to church history or scientific history of this MAJOR event? Millions, possibly billions of humans bodily resurrected........Surely people noticed!

 

[PaulThomson]

He believes in the real bodily resurrection of Christ Jesus and of the believers in the first century, that is just what people say to cast aspersions and to keep futurism going even though it has been 2000+ plus years since Christ Jesus stated "this generation" and "when YOU see these things."

I visit the USA and say to a group of US parents, "If this nation continues to have fewer that 2.1 children per family, you will find in 100 years time that this nation will no longer have the present distinctively US culture."


"this nation" represents the descendants of the present population of the US. "You" represents all US citizens as a single class, including all future US citizens.

Jesus' statement can be understood in a similar manner, with "this generation/race/nation" being the Jews past, present and future. And you being the Jews as a single class. There is no need to adopt preterism to adequately explain "this generation" and "you" in Jesus' statement. People are entitled to propose new paradigms that they believe fit scripture. But it does seem somewhat unethical to me to poison pill the competition with false assertions intended to disqualify them from consideration.

 

[GaryA]

Where did I state paradise and heaven are the same, no where.
My point was not about the location, but that "soul sleep" is not a thing.

Sorry darlin' - perhaps I could have done a better job writing that post...?

My remark under Magenta's post was not actually directed at/to you.

Everything in the post was actually directed at @TMS - as a reply to his post #213 - which quoted the same post of yours that I quoted.

I was just using the posts you and @Magenta made to "set up" the point I wanted to make to TMS.

"I promise I will try to do better next time..."

 

[HeIsHere]

I visit the USA and say to a group of US parents, "If this nation continues to have fewer that 2.1 children per family, you will find in 100 years time that this nation will no longer have the present distinctively US culture."


"this nation" represents the descendants of the present population of the US. "You" represents all US citizens as a single class, including all future US citizens.

Jesus' statement can be understood in a similar manner, with "this generation/race/nation" being the Jews past, present and future. And you being the Jews as a single class. There is no need to adopt preterism to adequately explain "this generation" and "you" in Jesus' statement. People are entitled to propose new paradigms that they believe fit scripture. But it does seem somewhat unethical to me to poison pill the competition with false assertions intended to disqualify them from consideration.

Yes but Jesus framed all the events that were to happen and the conclusion of evident in the destruction of the temple.

Well, I do not see truth as competition, it is quite evident for those willing to do the research that dispensation/futurist view is at its heart a system developed for worldly political reasons.