Making a case for women in leadership

[Blain]

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This post was meant to be a joke like I believe Blain was making a joke in his reference to identifying as a cat 😺

Yeah I thought it was pretty funny I was tempted to reply saying I could make a kitty cult

 

[lrs68]

Yeah I thought it was pretty funny I was tempted to reply saying I could make a kitty cult

Lol that would have been hilarious 🤣

 

[Snackersmom]

@Magenta

True.....

In college I remember having discussions with the campus pastor about the pastoral requirements, for instance in the pastoral epistles.

One view was that the husband of one wife only applies to polygamy, multiple wives.

Another view of the passage was one wife at a time; meaning you could legitimately marry and divorce 5 times, as long as you were married at the time of the office.

Another was that you had to be married and at least have a child on the way, as in wife must be pregnant .
That was a discussion that I had with a previous pastor who hired an assistant and ordained him.

Then there's the view that a single guy can pastor as long as he's not a novice.

There's probably more, but those are what I surprisingly remember.
I was serious about the thread and my initial post. Tonight I'm not taking anything too awful seriously because I need sleep to function well tomorrow.
Besides, I've been down the debate road a time or two on this one with a former pastor.

For whatever its worth.... the Greek text literally translates "a one-woman man". Polygamy wasn't common in Ephesus at the time, but divorce/remarriage/adultery/fornication were all very common. Polygamists would definitely be disqualified, but I'm guessing the instruction was speaking more towards:

-Adulterers

-Men who were keeping relations within marriage but divorcing and remarrying for non-biblical reasons

-Single guys who were "playing the field"

-Just any guy in general (married or single) who was known for seeking out the romantic attention of multiple females, even if he refrained from sexual contact.

I could be wrong of course, but "one woman man" does seem to me to refer more to heart attitude than marital status..... Paul himself was single, and he oversaw much.

 

[lrs68]

For whatever its worth.... the Greek text literally translates "a one-woman man". Polygamy wasn't common in Ephesus at the time, but divorce/remarriage/adultery/fornication were all very common. Polygamists would definitely be disqualified, but I'm guessing the instruction was speaking more towards:

-Adulterers

-Men who were keeping relations within marriage but divorcing and remarrying for non-biblical reasons

-Single guys who were "playing the field"

-Just any guy in general (married or single) who was known for seeking out the romantic attention of multiple females, even if he refrained from sexual contact.

I could be wrong of course, but "one woman man" does seem to me to refer more to heart attitude than marital status..... Paul himself was single, and he oversaw much.

Those evil wicked male Gentiles

 

[Snackersmom]

Those evil wicked male Gentiles

Lol I doubt the women were any better! 😜

Keep in mind that a lot of new converts were being added rapidly.... Paul knew Timothy would be fighting against ingrained mindsets and cultural norms that would wreck the church if not guarded against 😬

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

For whatever its worth.... the Greek text literally translates "a one-woman man". Polygamy wasn't common in Ephesus at the time, but divorce/remarriage/adultery/fornication were all very common. Polygamists would definitely be disqualified, but I'm guessing the instruction was speaking more towards:

-Adulterers

-Men who were keeping relations within marriage but divorcing and remarrying for non-biblical reasons

-Single guys who were "playing the field"

-Just any guy in general (married or single) who was known for seeking out the romantic attention of multiple females, even if he refrained from sexual contact.

I could be wrong of course, but "one woman man" does seem to me to refer more to heart attitude than marital status..... Paul himself was single, and he oversaw much.

Considering how common fornication and adultery are today, I think that principle should apply to anyone in marriage. I go with the traditional translation, but see your point. If a gal pulled out of her purse or have on a face book account her ex boyfriends, I'd probably laugh and walk away.
That has actually happened once, no twice. Once was Kathleen who acted like she accidentally found a picture of her old boyfriend. She showed me.
I asked her what she planned to do with it. Her response led me to tell her to throw it in the trash. What ended up happening was she ended up alone. At least she has that picture to take care of her.

Tonya was a popular lady who was in the same Animal and Veterinary program. Her parents were very nice and we all got along great.
I had no idea how popular she was until she showed me the picture of the dudes she swam with in college. I appreciated that I didn't need to waste any more time, money or get emotionally connected with that.
It seems like there are required classes on how to ruin marriages in Highschool through college.