The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[CS1]

Maybe they read this verse ?

Of course many might insist Paul is wrong but it’s really straight forward

“be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You won’t find another name in the nt anyone was baptized into , anyone prayed in , or did anything in other than the name of Jesus

“And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you know how your saying three persons ? The whole trinity is in one person , jesus christ

“For in him ( Jesus ) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God is one and there’s one name

You choose to ignore all scriptures that say otherwise. The whole trinity is one person? LOL. First, neither you nor I can fully understand the Divine Nature of God. The Word of God clearly states Father, The Son, and the Spirit of God, three distinct personifications Yet ONE. A mystery, the word of God says, but you know better? Your fleshly mind cannot understand what God said; we will not be able to until we have been glorified.
Ephesians 5: 20-21,
20giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21submitting to one another in the fear of God.

You are correct that Jesus saves, every 1st grader in Bible class learns this.

And when does Jesus save?

Baptism, which is like that water, now saves you. Baptism doesn’t save by removing dirt from the body. Rather, baptism is a request to God for a clear conscience. It saves you through Jesus Christ, who came back from death to life.

They learn this in 2nd grade Bible class.

Salvation happens when one has Heard the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ, which is the power of GOD for Salvation, as Romans 1:16
srares. The Holy Spirit convicts the person to see their sin and need for forgiveness, which leads the person to surrender and repeat and receive Grace through faith in the Death, Burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ and accept the gift of salvation which Christ as provided Roman Chapter 10: 9-11

Then is obedience one follows Christ into water Baptism to symbolically say to the world they are no longer alive to sin but died and are born again in to new life as Roman chapter 6 states.



6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You choose to ignore all scriptures that say otherwise. The whole trinity is one person? LOL. First, neither you nor I can fully understand the Divine Nature of God. The Word of God clearly states Father, The Son, and the Spirit of God, three distinct personifications Yet ONE. A mystery, the word of God says, but you know better? Your fleshly mind cannot understand what God said; we will not be able to until we have been glorified.
Ephesians 5: 20-21,
20giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21submitting to one another in the fear of God.



Salvation happens when one has Heard the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ, which is the power of GOD for Salvation, as Romans 1:16
srares. The Holy Spirit convicts the person to see their sin and need for forgiveness, which leads the person to surrender and repeat and receive Grace through faith in the Death, Burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ and accept the gift of salvation which Christ as provided Roman Chapter 10: 9-11

Then is obedience one follows Christ into water Baptism to symbolically say to the world they are no longer alive to sin but died and are born again in to new life as Roman chapter 6 states.



6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

“You choose to ignore all scriptures that say otherwise.”

yeah I’m probably ignoring scriptire ….that’s the issue

“The whole trinity is one person? LOL.”

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him ( singular) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ( all of God in one body one person )

And ye are complete in him, ( singular ) which is the head of all principality and power:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God doesn’t have three names and he isn’t three people he’s one person and his name is Jesus .

The holy spirit is his spirit not a different person

“For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭1:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Spirit of Christ , body of Christ , name of Christ Jesus ,

But since your sure show me one example of anyone baptizing someone in any other name than Jesus , I don’t think you can do that I think you’ll just explain how foolish I am and how I won’t acknowledge scriptures but I’m asking you to provide a single one tbat shows someone being baptized in any name other than Jesus ……

Can show you what I think in the scriptures your telling me I won’t acknolwedge the many scriptures explaining different but I’m asking you for one scripture that shows anyone being baptized in another name other than this name

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,


and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

We aren’t baptized in the name “ the Jesus “ because Jesus is a name “ the Holy Ghost isn’t a name “ the son “ not a name the sons name is Jesus , the holt spirit and s his spirit not a different person with another name

“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:5‬ ‭KJV

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his name isn’t really even a question but because i “ignore so much scripture “I guess I just don’t get it …..because as you say no one could ever understand God….

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Beckworth]

Part Two:

What Does “In The Name Of …” mean?

Oneness proponents have a simplistic view of what it means to be baptized “in the name,” as if there is a specific magic incantation that must be uttered in order for baptism to “work” and the person to truly be saved.

Colossians 3:17 says:

Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.

Does this mean you rise out of bed and, all day long, you say:

“I wash my face in the name of Jesus.” I put on clothes in the name of Jesus. I eat my Captain Crunch in the name of Jesus …”

Or maybe Colossians 3:17 just means that you do everything under the authority — and in worship of — Jesus.

It’s the same with prayer. Praying, “in the name of Jesus” means praying as directed and authorized by Jesus (as in the Lord’s Prayer, which does not include any reference to God the Son). You don’t have to literally say, “In the name of Jesus” for God to hear your prayer (not that there’s anything wrong with saying, “in the name of Jesus”).

In 1 Corinthians 1:14-15, Paul writes:

I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one would say you were baptized in my name.

Paul wasn’t worried that anyone would have accused him of literally saying, “I now baptize you in the name of Paul.” He meant, “No one can accuse me of baptizing under my own authority, instead of Christ’s.”

Baptism “in the name of Jesus Christ” (Acts 2:38) means baptism as commanded by the risen Lord (in Matthew 28:19), not something different.

While I agree that your explanation of “in the name of”. Means “by the authority of”, I really think what Paul is condemning in 1 Cor. 1 are divisions among the Christians there because they were calling themselves after men’s names—like “Apollos,”and “Cephas”. See verses 10-13. He says there were “divisions” and “contentions” among then. Much like people today call themselves Lutherans” after Martin Luther. It seems they called themselves after the person who baptized them; which is why Paul said he was glad he didn’t baptized many of them. He did not want people calling themselves after “Paul. Verse 12. He them asks some questions; “Is Christ divided?”

This tells us a lot, if men would be willing to listen. 1) Christ doesn’t like division among His followers. “Denomination” means “division”. If I go to the bank to draw out $100, the teller will ask me “What denominations do you want the money divided into? She/he means do you want it divided into $5’s, $10,’s, $20,’s or $50’s? Those are all denominations of money, called by different names. Christianity has “denominations”, also; although not with God’s approval.. John 17 Jesus prayed to the Father that all of His followers might be one—like He and the Father are one. Can you imagine Jesus a Baptist and God the Father a Methodist? That’s not being “one.” That’s being two. He’s not talking about being one personality. He’s talking about agreeing as one. Jesus and the Father are in total agreement. 1 Cor 1 and John 17 are a condemnation of denominationalism.

2) the second point to notice here is what Paul says about baptism. He makes the argument that it takes two things for a person to be called by another person’s name. One, that person must have been crucified for you. And two, you have to have been baptized into that person’s name. Verses 12-13. This is his reason for saying they should not call themselves by the names of Apollos or Cephas. This makes perfect sense. I call myself a CHRISTian because Christ has been crucified for me and I have been baptized into His name. Therefore, I can call my self a CHRIST-Ian. Galatians 3:27 tells us if we have been baptized INTO CHRIST, we have PUT ON CHRIST. So this information in 1 Cor. 1 brings up an important question: what about those who have not been baptized into the name of Christ? Can they really call themselves after Christ—a Christian? 1 Cor. 1 suggests “no.” How does that not make baptism necessary to be a Christian?
So, so much of the New Testament teaches the necessity of baptism.

 

[Beckworth]

“Please give us a scripture that says , “ name of”

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“]I don’t see the word “ONLY”. In any of these verses. “

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭

Seems like I’ve shared those many times actually but can you show any scripture even one where someone’s baptized in any other name ?

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, “

“Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:48‬ ‭

“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems like jesus is the name at least in my own belief . But honestly I don’t think the issue is that I haven’t shared scriptures to support what I’m saying seems like they are simple and plain

Yes, I can show you another scripture that shows we are baptized in not just one other name , but TWO other names.
MATTHEW 28:18-19. “…baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, Son, and HOLY GHOST. And I still don’t see the word “ONLY” in one single verse that you have given. Baptizing in the name of Jesus and baptizing in the name of Jesus ONLY are two different things with different meanings. The last is exclusive, the first is not.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, I can show you another scripture that shows we are baptized in not just one other name , but TWO other names.
MATTHEW 28:18-19. “…baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, Son, and HOLY GHOST. And I still don’t see the word “ONLY” in one single verse that you have given. Baptizing in the name of Jesus and baptizing in the name of Jesus ONLY are two different things with different meanings. The last is exclusive, the first is not.

….ok

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭

 

[CS1]

While I agree that your explanation of “in the name of”. Means “by the authority of”, I really think what Paul is condemning in 1 Cor. 1 are divisions among the Christians there because they were calling themselves after men’s names—like “Apollos,”and “Cephas”. See verses 10-13. He says there were “divisions” and “contentions” among then. Much like people today call themselves Lutherans” after Martin Luther. It seems they called themselves after the person who baptized them; which is why Paul said he was glad he didn’t baptized many of them. He did not want people calling themselves after “Paul. Verse 12. He them asks some questions; “Is Christ divided?”

This tells us a lot, if men would be willing to listen. 1) Christ doesn’t like division among His followers. “Denomination” means “division”. If I go to the bank to draw out $100, the teller will ask me “What denominations do you want the money divided into? She/he means do you want it divided into $5’s, $10,’s, $20,’s or $50’s? Those are all denominations of money, called by different names. Christianity has “denominations”, also; although not with God’s approval.. John 17 Jesus prayed to the Father that all of His followers might be one—like He and the Father are one. Can you imagine Jesus a Baptist and God the Father a Methodist? That’s not being “one.” That’s being two. He’s not talking about being one personality. He’s talking about agreeing as one. Jesus and the Father are in total agreement. 1 Cor 1 and John 17 are a condemnation of denominationalism.

2) the second point to notice here is what Paul says about baptism. He makes the argument that it takes two things for a person to be called by another person’s name. One, that person must have been crucified for you. And two, you have to have been baptized into that person’s name. Verses 12-13. This is his reason for saying they should not call themselves by the names of Apollos or Cephas. This makes perfect sense. I call myself a CHRISTian because Christ has been crucified for me and I have been baptized into His name. Therefore, I can call my self a CHRIST-Ian. Galatians 3:27 tells us if we have been baptized INTO CHRIST, we have PUT ON CHRIST. So this information in 1 Cor. 1 brings up an important question: what about those who have not been baptized into the name of Christ? Can they really call themselves after Christ—a Christian? 1 Cor. 1 suggests “no.” How does that not make baptism necessary to be a Christian?
So, so much of the New Testament teaches the necessity of baptism.

I can see the point you're making. I never said Baptism should not be done. Baptism in the name of Jesus and in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are valid water baptisms. I was not I who said that baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is invalid and those who did so are not saved. Those who did are here in this thread. That is far more problematic than arguing over whether I was baptized by Apollos, or Paul, etc...

 

[Beckworth]

Yeah.. being baptized 'for' the remission of sins..

First compare this with salvation verses all through the book of John. Such as John 3:16 and 5:24. Also Romans 10:9-10.

No water baptism is mentioned, but salvation is given.

Now going back to Acts 2:38.. what is the context? What is the condition on not receiving salvation?

Unbelief is the condition on no salvation..not water baptism.

So 'for' the remission of sins.. is akin to.. 'because you already have' remission of sins.

So someone will say a converted person WILL definitely get water baptism. That it is inevitable once converted they WILL get water baptised.

Where is that in scripture?

Just because John talks about faith and does not mention baptism does not “prove” baptism is not necessary. John’s purpose for writing his book is so that everyone might have “faith” and believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He says so in John 20:30-31. He meant to emphasize “faith.” He also did not mention “repentance.” Does that “prove” repentance is not necessary? Does that mean that we can be saved without repentance? If not, why not? By the same method, I can prove that “faith” is not necessary to salvation. Acts 2:38, Peter does not even mention “faith.” And he is answering those people who asked him what they should do to be saved!! All he said was repent and be baptized. Doesn’t mention faith! So, if your argument is that baptism can’t be necessary to salvation because John does not mention it in his verses on faith, then I can prove that faith is not necessary to salvation because Peter does not include it in his answer to the Peopje in Acts 2. That which proves too much, proves nothing! That is not proof of anything.

Jesus said in Luke 13:3 that if you don’t repent you will PERISH. He didn’t say if you don’t BELIEVE you will perish!! Therefore , by your logic, faith does not save you. All you have to do is “repent.” After all, faith is not mentioned in that verse. If it works that way in the book of John, then it works that way in the book of Luke. Couple Luke 13:3, (and Jesus even repeats it in verse 5) with Peter’s answer in Acts 2:38 and I can conclusively say that all you have to do to be saved is repent!! You don’t have to believe because neither Jesus nor Peter mentioned faith as being necessary to salvation. Would you agree to that? It’s right there, in the Bible!

That is no different than what you do in trying to prove that baptism is not necessary for salvation. You use verses in John to prove that baptism is not necessary, I used verses in Luke and Acts to prove that FAITH is not necessary.

You and I both know that is not handling the word of God honestly.

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

The idea of baptism in three names is false.

Otherwise, Jesus made a mistake when he said you are to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

The erroneous passage and misrepresented for centuries says, baptize in the name of...
Singular.

What is the name of the Father?Who is Holy and Spirit. And Savior?

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior. Isaiah 43:10-11

John 4:24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.

1 Samuel 2:2 There is none holy like the Lord: for there is none besides you; there is no rock like our God.

Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

 

[TrustandObey]

I never said Baptism should not be done.

Do not be coy, this is about why one must be baptized.

And don't be sly either, we are talking about water baptism for the remission of sins not "spirit baptism" or any other baptism you can pull out of your faith alone magic hat.

 

[Beckworth]

….ok

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭

….ok

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭

Actually, this verse is not discussing being BAPTIZED at all. This statement in acts 4 was made in reference to the healing of a cripple. Verse 12 is saying that the man was healed in the name of Jesus;. Meaning by his authority. This is NOT talking about being baptized in the name of Jesus; it is talking about being HEALED in the name of Jesus. And that makes a difference. Jesus was the only one that had the authority and power to heal this cripple. You are clearly taking this verse OUT OF CONTEXT AND MISAPPLYING IT.

 

[wattie]

Just because John talks about faith and does not mention baptism does not “prove” baptism is not necessary. John’s purpose for writing his book is so that everyone might have “faith” and believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He says so in John 20:30-31. He meant to emphasize “faith.” He also did not mention “repentance.” Does that “prove” repentance is not necessary? Does that mean that we can be saved without repentance? If not, why not? By the same method, I can prove that “faith” is not necessary to salvation. Acts 2:38, Peter does not even mention “faith.” And he is answering those people who asked him what they should do to be saved!! All he said was repent and be baptized. Doesn’t mention faith! So, if your argument is that baptism can’t be necessary to salvation because John does not mention it in his verses on faith, then I can prove that faith is not necessary to salvation because Peter does not include it in his answer to the Peopje in Acts 2. That which proves too much, proves nothing! That is not proof of anything.

Jesus said in Luke 13:3 that if you don’t repent you will PERISH. He didn’t say if you don’t BELIEVE you will perish!! Therefore , by your logic, faith does not save you. All you have to do is “repent.” After all, faith is not mentioned in that verse. If it works that way in the book of John, then it works that way in the book of Luke. Couple Luke 13:3, (and Jesus even repeats it in verse 5) with Peter’s answer in Acts 2:38 and I can conclusively say that all you have to do to be saved is repent!! You don’t have to believe because neither Jesus nor Peter mentioned faith as being necessary to salvation. Would you agree to that? It’s right there, in the Bible!

That is no different than what you do in trying to prove that baptism is not necessary for salvation. You use verses in John to prove that baptism is not necessary, I used verses in Luke and Acts to prove that FAITH is not necessary.

You and I both know that is not handling the word of God honestly.

Right, so we are both talking about using the whole weight of scripture to measure whether water baptism is necessary for salvation.

So whether it by believing or faith in Jesus to have salvation it is the same thing in different terms.

The condition on NOT having salvation is always unbelief. Not the absence of water baptism.

Completely about Jesus's payment for our sin and not righteous works we do, including water baptism.

But, this has already been thrashed to death. I know we ain't gonna agree.

The key is what kind of deliverance is being addressed in scripture.

Individual salvation?

An entire nation?

A whole local church?

A salvaged life as opposed to salvation of the soul?

Which would have water baptism as part of a life salvaged to God. Along with church membership, sharing your faith, giving to the church etc..

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Actually, this verse is not discussing being BAPTIZED at all. This statement in acts 4 was made in reference to the healing of a cripple. Verse 12 is saying that the man was healed in the name of Jesus;. Meaning by his authority. This is NOT talking about being baptized in the name of Jesus; it is talking about being HEALED in the name of Jesus. And that makes a difference. Jesus was the only one that had the authority and power to heal this cripple. You are clearly taking this verse OUT OF CONTEXT AND MISAPPLYING IT.

right😂 I’ve shown you the baptism ones

Like this several times

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬


you then tell me we’re baptized in two other names ….I say show me one verse where anyone is baptized in any other name lol you say here’s two other names were baptized in as of “the son “ is a name and the sons name isn’t Jesus. As if “ the holy ghost “ is a name lol or “ the Father is a name and not a title .

This is the son …..and his name is Jesus . You cannot show a verse where anyone baptized anyone in any name but Jesus in the entire New Testament

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name

of the Father,

and of the Son,

and of the Holy Ghost:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One name three titles

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all of God in one person who’s name is Jesus

bit i really don’t have any interest in circular arguments with people who act like you are acting and won’t acknolwedge anything and just go on circles to waste time so I’m going to discuss with other more mature people who can read and reply . I’m too old to waste time and you aren’t ever going to acknolwedge anything I show you I’m scripture you just swerve to a different segument and insult ect peace be with you I’m going to find someone else to discuss with you can have the last word

 

[Beckworth]

Right, so we are both talking about using the whole weight of scripture to measure whether water baptism is necessary for salvation.

So whether it by believing or faith in Jesus to have salvation it is the same thing in different terms.

The condition on NOT having salvation is always unbelief. Not the absence of water baptism.

Completely about Jesus's payment for our sin and not righteous works we do, including water baptism.

But, this has already been thrashed to death. I know we ain't gonna agree.

The key is what kind of deliverance is being addressed in scripture.

Individual salvation?

An entire nation?

A whole local church?

A salvaged life as opposed to salvation of the soul?

Which would have water baptism as part of a life salvaged to God. Along with church membership, sharing your faith, giving to the church etc..

Looking at your first paragraph, I am assuming we are talking about “whether water baptism is necessary for salvation.”

So, if we establish the fact that baptism, of any kind is only for believers, as Acts 8: 37 shows, then it should be clear that belief is the first step, and without it there is no need for baptism. In fact, I’m pretty sure not a person in the entire world would want to be baptized into Jesus if they did not first believe in Jesus. Why would it be necessary to argue that an unbeliever does not need to be baptized? Isn’t that stating the obvious? Thats something everyone knows. I mean, is there any doubt in your mind that an unbeliever does not need to be baptized?? Does Jesus need to spell it out for us? If a person does not believe , he is lost already and whether or not he is baptized makes no difference whatsoever. Yes, he will be lost without baptism but he was already lost at the point of unbelief. That does not prove baptism is unnecessary. Thats like saying a Muslim commits murder. Is he lost because he commits murder or is he lost because he is a Muslim and does not believe in Jesus as the Christ? Obviously committing murder will cause you to be lost, but he was lost even if he didn’t commit murder, because he doesn’t believe in Jesus. It doesn’t matter what he does or does not do because he is an unbeliever. That does not prove that it’s alright to commit murder.

Faith is the first step in becoming a Christian. That’s why John 3:16 says a person who believes SHOUJD NOT parish instead of saying a person who believes WILL NOT perish.

I know faith only doctrine tries to put repentance before faith in order to save their doctrine of salvation at the point of faith , but it’s obvious that you cannot repent unless you first believe. If you don’t believe in Jesus what are you repenting of? Jesus plainly says in multiple scriptures that if you don’t repent, you will perish. Luke 13:3,5 Acts 17:30. Peter puts repentance first when they asked him what they needed to do. That’s only because they obviously believed or they would not be asking what they needed to do. But if you are saved at the point of faith then repentance is not necessary—you are already saved. If that’s how it works with baptism, then that’s how it works with repentance too.

Jesus gave the Great Commission in Matthew 28:18-19. He told His disciples to go into all the world and preach the gospel to all nations—that’s so they would become Believers. Believers first; baptizing them ( people) into the name of the …”. Every example of literal baptism in the New Testament was for people. “baptism” was used FIGURATIVELY in reference to a “nation”, in 1 Cor. 10:2. It was used figuratively to represent hell in Luke 12. In every case where it was used literally with people, it was to save their souls—not a physical life. I’m not sure where you are going with this. Baptism was never used to put one into a local congregation; but Jesus adds you to His universal church Acts 2:47. Notice you are NOT VOTED in by men. The act of baptism and what it does is in Romans 6. As Peter says, it is for the remission of sins. That one verse makes it necessary for salvation —with out 1 Peter 3:21, Acts 22:16 or Mark 16:16–which just adds to the proof.

I’m not sure I addressed what you were asking and I agree to disagree without hard feelings. But please know I am not trying to win an argument. Our soul’s salvation depends on the right conclusion.

 

[CS1]

Do not be coy, this is about why one must be baptized.

And don't be sly either, we are talking about water baptism for the remission of sins not "spirit baptism" or any other baptism you can pull out of your faith alone magic hat.

coy? LOL it was stated in my post Baptism is done for obedience. And sly?

also, I never said anything about "spirit baptism." So you're all hat and no horse.

Please that the thread is:
The Error is Baptism in Jesus' name only for salvation.


The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is done by who? FYI, read John 1:33

And you see, it is Jesus who does that. Then, read John chapters 14 &15.


Magic hat, LOL.

 

[CS1]

You are correct that Jesus saves, every 1st grader in Bible class learns this.

And when does Jesus save?

Baptism, which is like that water, now saves you. Baptism doesn’t save by removing dirt from the body. Rather, baptism is a request to God for a clear conscience. It saves you through Jesus Christ, who came back from death to life.

They learn this in 2nd grade Bible class.

Being condescending is ok, yet you could be more Biblical, which is the issue with Baptism in water in Jesus' name only for salvation is not. Telling those who were water baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is not valid and that they are not saved is foolish at best and ill-responsible with the word of God. Legalistic Pharisees placed condemnation on those who received Christ as Lord and Savior.

I will go even further. Many mainline Oneness Pastors have agreed that both are valid and have repented for attacking those who have seen the word of God as the error of this doctrine. They even told many they had Blasphemed the Holy Spirit when they left the UPC. Why? Because it is more about controlling people than saving them.

You will not hear anyone say Baptism in the Name of the Lord Jesus is not valid, yet Oneness will tell you you're not saved if it was not done in Jesus' name only. You will answer to the living God for that.

 

[CS1]

This article sums it up nicely - Must baptism be done "in Jesus' name"? | carm.org

Oneness Pentecostal theology maintains that baptism must be by immersion using the formula “in Jesus' name” and not the formula “in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit” as is found in Matt. 28:19. They reject the Trinitarian formula because they reject the Trinity...

Let’s take a look at what is going on in the verses. The phrase, “in the name of the Lord,” is not a reference to a baptismal formula but a reference to authority. It is similar to hearing someone say, “Stop in the name of the Law!” We understand that the “name of the Law” means by the authority of the Law. It is the same with baptism “in Jesus’ name.” To baptize in Jesus’ name is to baptize in the authority of Jesus...

Therefore, the Oneness Pentecostal people are simply in error by demanding that baptism be done with the formula “In Jesus’ name.” Instead, it should be done as Jesus commanded: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt. 28:19). The proper way to baptize in Jesus’ name is to say, “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”

In every baptism, oneness has failed to listen to what is being said in many Orthodox churches when baptism in water is done to a new Believer :

The pastor will say: Your profession of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ by the grace and mercy of God, and by the Authority of the Lord Jesus Christ and the (name of the local fellow ) I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit. down you go.

Those who fail to see Jesus' name is said, and His Lordship is stated, but the method is not what you agree with. However, it is very much Bibclial and valid. Many Senior oneness Pastors agree

 

[SomeDisciple]

Plenty of egregious errors in oneness-Pentecostalism; but most of the arguments used against the oneness of God in the original post are super-bias. The UPCI is basically what Catholicism is to Orthodoxy; I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was funded in part by the CIA.

 

[CS1]

Plenty of egregious errors in oneness-Pentecostalism; but most of the arguments used against the oneness of God in the original post are super-bias. The UPCI is basically what Catholicism is to Orthodoxy; I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was funded in part by the CIA.

For example, I would love to know which ones and what is not true regarding super bias.

 

[Dino246]

One reason we have so many of these denominations, is because starting one's own religion could give that person; dominion, power, and authority. They would be able to collect donations also, become rich in all these things. Money and power is what they could gain. That is one reason you see these Christian faith forked religions show up. One of those powers they could gain, is great influence in the voting polls. As the church leader, they would setting the rules for the morals and beliefs of the people. And because they have everyone following them and doing as he/she says...

What you describe is the possible rationale for starting a cult, not for starting a Christian denomination.

 

[Wansvic]

Saying the Bible is unreliable, the text has been changed or casting doubt on a verse by claiming it wasn’t in all the manuscripts, and many other such prejudices is a popular effort to get around a scripture that you can't explain and doesn’t fit your doctrine. Some also try to discredit the whole book of James because of his verses on “faith only.” I once read that Martin Luther ( a proponent of salvation by “faith only”) completely removed ( tore it out) the book of James from his Bible; As if that would destroy what God has said or make it any less true. Men also try to get around Mark 16:16 by saying it wasn’t in all the manuscripts. Another unpopular scripture with some people.

Let’s remember that God said His word is eternal. Isaiah 40:8, Matthew 24:35. There is nothing man can do to change it or destroy it. More importantly, it will be present at the Judgement and we will stand before God and be judged BY THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOKS. Rev. 20:12.

Matthew 28:19 is indeed scripture. I for one am not saying any different. However, what scripture does reveal is Jesus gave the command to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost in Matthew 28:19. And afterward Jesus' apostles obeyed the command by baptizing everyone in the name of Jesus as revealed in scripture. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)There is not one instance where the apostles baptized anyone using the phrase I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Also to clarify, forerunners of the RCC required everyone to administer baptisms using the phrase in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and stop baptizing people in the name of Jesus. The problem is they decided to mandate something other than what is revealed in the word. As such, people are not obeying Jesus but are unknowingly obeying a manmade tradition. And according to the word, manmade traditions make God's word of none effect. (Mark 7:13) How a person is baptized matters. Those who had not been baptized in the name of Jesus had to be rebaptized. (Acts 19:1-7)

Food for thought--who was crucified to save mankind? (1 Cor. 1:13-15) Who are individuals to be buried with in baptism as recorded in scripture? (Rom. 6:3-6)