Loss of salvation???
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I will say this, there is a difference between accurately teaching the things you know and getting things wrong due to not understanding the things you have yet to learn. None of us learn all things all at once, it is a process. I do not criticize the apostles for not knowing, even though they had been told, because I am guilty of it more times than I care to admit. 
John's baptism was one of repentance to prepare them for the Messiah. It was administered under the Old Covenant. Christ established a New Covenant which, required new methods.
John's baptism was one of repentance to prepare them for the Messiah. It was administered under the Old Covenant. Christ established a New Covenant which, required new methods.
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Sorry Mem but I don't know what that has to do with what you quoted.
I will say this, there is a difference between accurately teaching the things you know and getting things wrong due to not understanding the things you have yet to learn. None of us learn all things all at once, it is a process. I do not criticize the apostles for not knowing, even though they had been told, because I am guilty of it more times than I care to admit.
John's baptism was one of repentance to prepare them for the Messiah. It was administered under the Old Covenant. Christ established a New Covenant which, required new methods.
John's baptism was one of repentance to prepare them for the Messiah. It was administered under the Old Covenant. Christ established a New Covenant which, required new methods.
I do believe tongues and prophecy have ceased. Prophecy because there is nothing more the Lord can say that hasn't been said and tongues because it was for the stubborn unbelieving Israelites who would reject the Messiah (Is.28:11) . As God's dealing with the nation has been put on hold until the time He brings the last of them back to the fold (time of the end), there is no need for tongues. Maybe it will re-emerge at the end?
yes
i am reminded of a song,
Romans 11:18
do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, [remember that] you do not support the root, but the root [supports] you.
i am reminded of a song,
father Abraham, had many sons,
many sons had father Abraham.
i am one of them, and so are you
so let's just praise the LORD!
Galatians 5:5-6
For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
Love is patient,
love is kind.
It does not envy,
Love does not boast
Love is not proud.
It does not dishonor others,
it is not self-seeking,
is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
Love always protects,
always trusts,
always hopes,
always perseveres.
JS, Israelites aren't the only stubborn unbelieving peoples that God might think worth going to such lengths for. But with that said, I don't think speaking in another (understandable) language would seem as miraculous these days, given the accessibility of language learning tools that are so readily available today.
Was the Cross Always Understood?
You’ve probably heard someone say, “Today we are saved by looking back to the cross, just like in time past everyone was saved by looking forward to the cross.”
Sounds spiritual. But it clearly is not at all true!
Did God say to Noah, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved”?
No—He told Noah, in His own manner of speaking: I’m going to flood the earth. Build an ark or you’ll drown.
Paul, in contrast, says in Acts 16:
Acts 16:30–31
“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
See that? Believe, and salvation ensued, not water baptism as preached by Peter to the Jews, not works as James preached to the Jews, but FAITH.
Now look at 1 Corinthians 15:1–4. Paul lays out the gospel clearly:
“Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day, according to the Scriptures.”
That’s the gospel Paul preached. Did Peter and the Twelve preach that gospel before the cross? No!
Look at Mark 9:31–32:
“He taught his disciples and said, The Son of Man shall be delivered, killed, and rise again the third day.
But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.”
They didn’t understand the cross—even though the Lord told them directly.
So can we honestly say “everyone before the cross understood it the same way we do today”?
No—they didn’t. That is a patently false claim steeped only in the emotion of pseudo-spiritual thinking.
That’s not rightly dividing the Word of Truth. It’s just soft lies, bandwagon, group-think, unscriptural trash!
BTW
You’ve probably heard someone say, “Today we are saved by looking back to the cross, just like in time past everyone was saved by looking forward to the cross.”
Sounds spiritual. But it clearly is not at all true!
Did God say to Noah, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved”?
No—He told Noah, in His own manner of speaking: I’m going to flood the earth. Build an ark or you’ll drown.
Paul, in contrast, says in Acts 16:
Acts 16:30–31
“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
See that? Believe, and salvation ensued, not water baptism as preached by Peter to the Jews, not works as James preached to the Jews, but FAITH.
Now look at 1 Corinthians 15:1–4. Paul lays out the gospel clearly:
“Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day, according to the Scriptures.”
That’s the gospel Paul preached. Did Peter and the Twelve preach that gospel before the cross? No!
Look at Mark 9:31–32:
“He taught his disciples and said, The Son of Man shall be delivered, killed, and rise again the third day.
But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.”
They didn’t understand the cross—even though the Lord told them directly.
So can we honestly say “everyone before the cross understood it the same way we do today”?
No—they didn’t. That is a patently false claim steeped only in the emotion of pseudo-spiritual thinking.
That’s not rightly dividing the Word of Truth. It’s just soft lies, bandwagon, group-think, unscriptural trash!
BTW
