Christian Unity what will it take?

Cobus · Sep 16, 2011

One of a massive divorce... The Light Changes darkness to LIGHT, ... God turns man to holy man... God turns sinner to Jesus-like.... God turns man destiny from hell to heaven, ALL by the LIGHT God puts in man.... And that Light is JESUS CHRSIT!

So yes, all the Satan's in all the people. lost, when they accept God to be their savior they will be TRANSFORMED to be SPIRIT FILLED HOLY SAINTS OF GOD!!!

Thank God that ALL darkness will be removed from me, becasue it is HIS WILL,...

Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
1Jn 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jn 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jn 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1Jn 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
1Jn 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
1Jn 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

I evaluate me to the ones God writes too, and I am still a little child, I overcame VERY little so far, so I practice to keep the peace and to love ALL!

That is all I have to confess! May God finally put His Light in me! THEN I WILL REST SEARCHING HIM!

zone · Sep 16, 2011

Red33 said:

Hebrews 12
Jesus, Founder and Perfecter of Our Faith
1Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Do Not Grow Weary
3Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. 4In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?

“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor be weary when reproved by him.
6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”

7It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? 10For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. 11For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

12Therefore lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees, 13and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but rather be healed. 14Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. 15See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; 16that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal. 17For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears.

A Kingdom That Cannot Be Shaken
18For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest 19and the sound of a trumpet and a voice whose words made the hearers beg that no further messages be spoken to them. 20For they could not endure the order that was given, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.” 21Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I tremble with fear.” 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23and to the assemblya of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

25See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven. 26At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.” 27This phrase, “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of things that are shaken—that is, things that have been made—in order that the things that cannot be shaken may remain. 28Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe, 29for our God is a consuming fire.

loveschild · Sep 16, 2011

Abiding said:

Your a waste of my time.

ada · Sep 16, 2011

Nonsense, you have time enough..
not to say this. Repent, i love you lovechild..

Abiding · Sep 16, 2011

loveschild said:

Yes, I know. Sorry, I have no demons.

Abiding · Sep 16, 2011

Originally Posted by loveschild
Anyone who continues to go against the word of God. Will not repent.
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Keep it in context. Who is going against the word of God? I just asked you to be specific.
Do you mean those who teach against modern Spiritual warfare doctrine thats unbiblical
and a insult to Gods Sovereignty?

Because thats what ive noticed you get upset over, yet wont discuss it biblically.
And this is a bible forum..right?

jonathanbchristian · Sep 16, 2011

I bellieve the OP has a good question that is still being ignored. What do we do for Christian unity? Unity requires a belief in something sacred. Something we wouldn't violate. An agreement that keeps us from doing things we would normally do. An example is family. We are more likely to have unity with our own family because there is something sacred about family. We realize that we will be spending the rest of our lives related to these people. Peace and unity become essential when we consider people we must deal with. I believe unity requires a goal. We must hope to have peace and unity over time. Unity must be on our agenda.

Muskokaman · Sep 16, 2011

OH I KNOW I KNOW PICK ME PICK ME!!!

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Selah

BlueLagoon · Sep 16, 2011

Any selfish motives need to be removed from our thoughts and actions, if there is ever to be real unity amongst God's children. PEriod!

Rosewater · Sep 16, 2011

I agree with SantoSubito, it would take a miracle. I understand talks do arise from time to time between the Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant faiths though.

Deadflesh · Sep 16, 2011

Rosewater said:

Thats the thing though, Unity can NOT come from MANS effort globaly, wih peace agreements or anything like that. it would NEED to be a move of GOD, since JESUS builds HIS church.

So it needs to be a PERSONAL individual effort TORWARDS Jesus. THEN as ALL who LOVE Jesus, are MORE conforemd to HIM, HE will guide THEM to UNIFY. it is not mans agenda. MAN can do nothign but build a FLASE unity, which in Revelation would be called the WHORE. I know some peopel will now coem and create MORE division adn say thewhore is somthing else. but it is the corperation of HUMANS who claim JESUS but JESUS does not have there ALL. They are SPLIT, in heart, word, deed. They THINK they have allready arived, but they are in fact NONE of his, they have the chance to repent, but Revelation says they never will.
ALL who LOVE Jesus, are his people, and he calls HIS peopel OUT of Bablyon.

So MANS effort to unify the BODY of CHRIST is evil, its flesh. JESUS will do it, as MAN dies, and is conformed to HIS likness. Any "talks" between "Faiths" is all just religous men making religious moves. ALL who truly LOVE JEsus, will be FURTHER and FURTHER seperate from the WORLD and CLoser to HIS likness.

And it comes through FEAR of the LORD, which creates wisdom, which creates, understadning, which creates prayer for humility, which brigns godlines, which brings persecution and suffering in the flesh(Brokenness leading to sanctification) and persecution in the FAITH lambs being led to the slaughter willfully.

If we ARE in the end times as many people think then MAN unifying "faiths" is exactly what one would want to STAY AWAY From. Not to say ALL who are in the different denominations DONT love Jesus...not what im saying....im saying is in the most simpelest terms is:

NO ONE wants Christianity to stay the way it is.

However, there will be TWO groups,

those who are unified by MANS effort in the flesh.

and

those who are unifed by JESUS becasue they died to themsleves.

Two classes of "Christian" as far as the WORLD is conserned.

Godliness, and a FORM of GODLINESS. Chaste Bride/Virtuous woman, and a Whore.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/30004-provebs-31-wife-you-one.html <---examples

So IN the spirit, there are those who ARE WHORES they do NOT love GOD with all there heart soul mind and streangth. They THINK they are a QUEEN(married to the KING Jesus), but instead are a widow...NO husband.

Unity is IN JESUS. and IN Jesus is no sin. Forced law, is sin. Anything that isnt of FAITH is sin. SO again UNITY is ONLY goign to come from denial of self, and suffering in the flesh

jonathanbchristian · Sep 16, 2011

I believe we will be unified when more people are saved. They will know we are Christians by our love. People who are saved, love the brethren. We should not be unevenly yoked with unbelievers. I agree that Christian unity is important but at the same time I do not believe we should be part of a multi-religon unity group. We should not try to have unity with other religons. We should try to have more unity with Christians. We can yoke up together to do alot of things. We shouldn't compromise with the World or false religon.

Strangelove · Sep 19, 2011

Deadflesh said:

Unity comes from suffering in the flesh?

Huh?

Do I need to whip myself like the jesuit priests do?

zone · Sep 19, 2011

Strangelove said:

LOL DOC!

Jude told us what unifies us.

Jude 1:3
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

NiceneChristian · Sep 19, 2011

zone said:

That "faith" would be the articles listed in the Nicene Creed.

Here, St Paul was stating something similar to the Nicene Creed, a kind of semi-creed.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Strangelove · Sep 20, 2011

NiceneChristian said:

The faith would be the doctrines listed in SCRIPTURE.

You can keep your creeds.

NiceneChristian · Sep 20, 2011

Strangelove said:

I recommend that you read the 7 Ecmenical Councils in order to understand that many people have different interpretations of the Bible and to not agree at all in terms of a universal Creed. From the very beginning there were Gnostics heretics who interpreted the bible very very falsely, and afterwards there were the infamous Arians, the most dangerous of all heretics. There were MANY heretics and heresies which tried to falsify the word of God. These were all people who interpreted the bible in a false manner, causing a false unity of the faith to be established.

The Nicene Creed was procisely established so that we all coulc have a universal Faith, a unity of the Faith, as St Paul says here, "

Eph 4:11 And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors:
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the word of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Until we all meet into the unity of faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the age of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That henceforth we be no more children tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the wickedness of men, by cunning craftiness by which they lie in wait to deceive.

This unity of faith only came about through the 7 Ecumenical Councils and the Nicene Creed. Read them here: NPNF2-14. The Seven Ecumenical Councils | Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Muskokaman · Sep 20, 2011

I recommend that you read the 7 Ecmenical Councils in order to understand that many people have different interpretations of the Bible and to not agree at all in terms of a universal Creed. From the very beginning there were Gnostics heretics who interpreted the bible very very falsely, and afterwards there were the infamous Arians, the most dangerous of all heretics. There were MANY heretics and heresies which tried to falsify the word of God. These were all people who interpreted the bible in a false manner, causing a false unity of the faith to be established.

The Nicene Creed was procisely established so that we all coulc have a universal Faith, a unity of the Faith, as St Paul says here, "

That is where all the hypocrisy started around 325 ad

Arius was right in his beliefs!

Funny how he was deemed a heretic at the Nicene council then exonnerated 10 years after by the very people who deemed him a heretic!

Then murdered by poison as he was on his way to accept the exonneration.................hmmmm...........I wonder

Jesus and his disciples were also considered very dangerous by the Sanhedrin and the Pharisees in his day and he too was murdered on the cross by the Jews!

The great disciples of Christ all share one thing in common They were all murdered for their belief in God and his Son and the Holy Spirit all but the apostle John

Arius shared in this as did many others (Joan of arc and many of the saints in the Catholic and EOC doctrines up until modern times)

NiceneChristian · Sep 20, 2011

Muskokaman said:

How is Arius right? He's a blasphemer and an apostate.

Arianism was a 4th century heresy named after Arius (c.250-336), a presbyter in Alexandria, Egypt, who taught that the Son of God was not co-eternal and consubstantial with His Father, but rather a created being with a definite origin in time. In Arius's words, "there was [a time] when he (the Son) was not." This led to the calling of the First Ecumenical Council, which condemned it and its author and established the Orthodox doctrine of the Holy Trinity as taught by Arius's chief opponent, St. Athanasius the Great. Though it managed to hang on among some of the Goths and other Germanic tribes in the West, Arianism had vanished by the seventh century.

Arianism - OrthodoxWiki

His death was a miracle of divine retribution, like what happened to Ananias and Saphiras.

Muskokaman · Sep 20, 2011

NiceneChristian said:

Your quote comes from an orthodox wikipedia model so it is easy to see why your slant is so subversive
His name and reputation was badly mangled by his detractors and his biggest opponent would later be brought low by charges of heresy himself.
Arianism is the theological teaching attributed to Arius (ca. AD 250–336), a Christian presbyter from Alexandria, Egypt, concerning the relationship of the entities of the Trinity ('God the Father', 'God the Son' and 'God the Holy Spirit') and the precise nature of the Son of God as being a subordinate entity to God the Father. Deemed a heretic by the First Council of Nicaea of 325, Arius was later exonerated in 335 at the First Synod of Tyre,[1] and then, after his death, pronounced a heretic again at the First Council of Constantinople of 381.[2] The Roman Emperors Constantius II (337–361) and Valens (364–378) were Arians or Semi-Arians. The Arian concept of Christ is that the Son of God did not always exist, but was created by—and is therefore distinct from and inferior to—God the Father. This belief is grounded in the Gospel of John passage “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." (verse 14:28)[3]
Arianism is defined as those teachings attributed to Arius which are in opposition to mainstream Trinitarian Christological doctrine, as determined by the first two Ecumenical Councils and currently maintained by the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Churches and most Reformation Protestant Churches. "Arianism" is also often used to refer to other nontrinitarian theological systems of the 4th century, which regarded Jesus Christ—the Son of God, the Logos—as either a created being (as in Arianism proper and Anomoeanism), or as neither uncreated nor created in the sense other beings are created (

I too can copy and paste though my info isn'T slighted towards any doctrine

since all copies of the Thalia were burned by Constantine after the 1st synod neither you nor anyone else can truly say with any degree of accuracy as to what his teachings were.

Constantine is believed to have exiled those who refused to accept the Nicean creed—Arius himself, the deacon Euzoios, and the Libyan bishops Theonas of Marmarica and Secundus of Ptolemais—and also the bishops who signed the creed but refused to join in condemnation of Arius, Eusebius of Nicomedia and Theognis of Nicaea. The Emperor also ordered all copies of the Thalia, the book in which Arius had expressed his teachings, to be burned. However, there is no evidence that his son and ultimate successor, Constantius II, who was an Arian Christian, was exiled.
Although he was committed to maintaining what the church had defined at Nicaea, Constantine was also bent on pacifying the situation and eventually became more lenient toward those condemned and exiled at the council. First he allowed Eusebius of Nicomedia, who was a protégé of his sister, and Theognis to return once they had signed an ambiguous statement of faith. The two, and other friends of Arius, worked for Arius' rehabilitation. At the First Synod of Tyre in AD 335, they brought accusations against Athanasius, bishop of Alexandria, the primary opponent of Arius; after this, Constantine had Athanasius banished, since he considered him an impediment to reconciliation. In the same year, the Synod of Jerusalem under Constantine's direction readmitted Arius to communion in AD 336. Arius, however, died on the way to this event in Constantinople. Some scholars suggest that Arius may have been poisoned by his opponents.[14] Eusebius and Theognis remained in the Emperor's favour, and when Constantine, who had been a catechumen much of his adult life, accepted baptism on his deathbed, it was from Eusebius of Nicomedia.

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