Does Jesus save those who received grace and are without obedience to the faith?

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I am confused if you really believe.

This is a yes or no question. Do you believe all those who died without obedience to the faith went to the devil?

It is between God and each person, God in Son went to that cross for all, Hebrews 10:10, Jesus yelled it is finished John 19:30, John the Baptist said The Lamb of God came here to take away sin, John 1:29
Did God do it? Yes God did it through Son once for us all to choose to either believe God or not. God desires to have personal relationships with each Child, then each child responds in love to all. All responds as one sees God loves them first. Are you forgiven, even if you sin again? By God, definitely not by people by God yes.
If you do not get this then you still stuck in Romans 7
God does just love you too!
Thank you
 
The Bible taught me this definition. :D

Roman 1:4-6

This is speaking of the Apostles Jesus Himself called. Study the Biblical definition of Apostle to understand why all Christians are not called to Apostleship. As well, these verses are not the definition of a Christian. Do a wee bit more study and do not cherry pick one passage to rely on the proper definition for everything.
 
It is between God and each person, God in Son went to that cross for all, Hebrews 10:10, Jesus yelled it is finished John 19:30, John the Baptist said The Lamb of God came here to take away sin, John 1:29
Did God do it? Yes God did it through Son once for us all to choose to either believe God or not. God desires to have personal relationships with each Child, then each child responds in love to all. All responds as one sees God loves them first. Are you forgiven, even if you sin again? By God, definitely not by people by God yes.
If you do not get this then you still stuck in Romans 7
God does just love you too!
Thank you
I will answer in place of you. Those who died without obedience to the faith went to the devil.
 
I will answer in place of you. Those who died without obedience to the faith went to the devil.

Without obedience perfectly to the Faith all die under Law
2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2 Corinthians 10:6
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

How are we all doing, anyone else perfect but Son for you? Anyone?

God judges not the sin we make such big deals out of. Rather one's motive
How many of us are stuck somewhere here on earth, in troubles over things we have done or others have done to us?
Will God still save us through the done work of Son for us?
Depends on one's intention and got trapped in bad things gone on here on earth first
As an Example my youngest Sister dies at age 18, I was 14. I got stuck in alcohol and carousing for a long time over it, not understanding it, and still do not.
Yet, I have chosen to trust God no matter what, anyone else?
God saves, people are all born dead at first birth, and are given a second birth from Father, Daddy, PaPa in risen Son for them to be viewed as perfect Col 1:21-23. That, tells me this amazing truth form God to us all, at least me thank you, and I am not perfect still to this present second, yet God is and is for us all to trust God, to learn new from God not the self or anyone else you think? I, now know this in thanksgiving and praise to God
seeing God loves us all y'all as told in 1 John 2:-1-27
 
And Jesus said so because the man believed on Jesus AND acted on his faith

For whatever reason, Jesus said it, Jesus said it as he did to that woman in John 8
Where are your accusers? Neither do I accuse you. Go and learn new from my Daddy, Father, PaPa for you and you will willingly stop wrong doings. It might take a while, and does not mean anyone will become sinless under God's love and mercy of Son not of self ever. You have done and might do again. I will be with you, my Father and I will never leave you or forsake you or anyone else ever, do you believe, tell God from your prayer closet between God and you personally, thank you
Get it
We, all I see start the new life in belief to Father, Daddy, Papa, through Son. Today is the day again, a new one to decide to choose life or death
First birth is dead to God. Second birth is alive to God in God's Holy Spirit of truth for us all to decide to choose or not consciously so, and one responds in love and mercy to all, y'all, thank you
 
Without obedience perfectly to the Faith all die under Law
2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2 Corinthians 10:6
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

How are we all doing, anyone else perfect but Son for you? Anyone?

God judges not the sin we make such big deals out of. Rather one's motive
How many of us are stuck somewhere here on earth, in troubles over things we have done or others have done to us?
Will God still save us through the done work of Son for us?
Depends on one's intention and got trapped in bad things gone on here on earth first
As an Example my youngest Sister dies at age 18, I was 14. I got stuck in alcohol and carousing for a long time over it, not understanding it, and still do not.
Yet, I have chosen to trust God no matter what, anyone else?
God saves, people are all born dead at first birth, and are given a second birth from Father, Daddy, PaPa in risen Son for them to be viewed as perfect Col 1:21-23. That, tells me this amazing truth form God to us all, at least me thank you, and I am not perfect still to this present second, yet God is and is for us all to trust God, to learn new from God not the self or anyone else you think? I, now know this in thanksgiving and praise to God
seeing God loves us all y'all as told in 1 John 2:-1-27
Thats correct. Those who died without obedience to the faith went to the devil.
 
None of those show the criminal confessing his own sin.
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Yes, the Bible states that one of the thieves crucified alongside Jesus confessed his sins, acknowledging his own guilt and deserving punishment, and also expressed his faith in Jesus as Lord, asking for remembrance in His kingdom. In response to this repentance and faith, Jesus promised him that he would be with Him in paradise that very day.

The Repentance and Confession
  • Acknowledged Jesus' Innocence:
    The thief recognized that while he and the other criminal had earned their punishment, Jesus had done nothing wrong.

  • Admitted His Own Guilt:
    He also acknowledged his own sin and affirmed that his condemnation was just.

  • Confessed Faith in Jesus:
    He declared Jesus as Lord, placing his faith in Jesus' authority and future kingdom.

  • Pled for Salvation:
    He asked Jesus to remember him when He came into His kingdom.
Jesus' Response
 
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Thats correct. Those who died without obedience to the faith went to the devil.

You seem to me to misunderstand, the mysteries ways of God for you, not against you, and the post I stated about god saves not anyone else, Son and God are Won (One) for su to be new in love and mercy to all, thank you Father
 
Those who claim to have saving faith but have no spiritual fruit may be in one of the following categories:

a. a normally loving person observed during a rare moment when he/she acted uncharacteristically (Phil. 3:12-16),

b. an immature Believer, who is making progress–you should have known him/her a year ago! (1Cor. 3:1-3, Eph. 4:11-15)

c. a truthseeker who has not yet learned the correct interpretation of God’s Word (1Cor. 6:9-11, Eph. 5:8-9)

d. a pseudo-Christian (Matt. 7:21, 1John 2:19), who may affirm morality while rejecting its divine rationale/Logos.

e. an apostate (Heb. 6:4-6, 10:23-39), who once believed but became blasphemous or foolish and ship-wrecked their faith (1Tim. 1:19-20).
 
Those who claim to have saving faith but have no spiritual fruit may be in one of the following categories:

a. a normally loving person observed during a rare moment when he/she acted uncharacteristically (Phil. 3:12-16),

b. an immature Believer, who is making progress–you should have known him/her a year ago! (1Cor. 3:1-3, Eph. 4:11-15)

c. a truthseeker who has not yet learned the correct interpretation of God’s Word (1Cor. 6:9-11, Eph. 5:8-9)

d. a pseudo-Christian (Matt. 7:21, 1John 2:19), who may affirm morality while rejecting its divine rationale/Logos.

e. an apostate (Heb. 6:4-6, 10:23-39), who once believed but became blasphemous or foolish and ship-wrecked their faith (1Tim. 1:19-20).

That's what many claim.... one can continue living in sin and still be saved clueless-doh.gif

 
Roman 1:4-6
4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

Hmm what about all those that were with Jesus when He said for God so loved the world He gave His only son that who ever believes in Him shall not die but have ever lasting life. There was no NT at all. Christ rose AMEN shouting time.. YES. But during Acts what did Peter say? Gods will for me is to believe on His son who died for the worlds sin.

Jesus told them after a few years if you love me keep my words (commands). Some take that as you must obey or your not saved. You just have works or your not saved. I kindly lovingly disagree. How can you love someone you don't know? Like again Peter.. .. to just say.. where we gonna go? Who else has words of everlasting live. The rest is cake.. yeah cake. Sometimes that cake is.. hmm its like fruit cake.. oh just awful awful haha. The "works" are works now of righteousness. (righteous deeds )
 
First birth is dead to God.

God did not make all little babies to be sinners.

After being born into this world full of sin and darkness we all fell short and engaged in sinful behavior.

If we say that we were born in sin, then we are really blaming God for our sinful state. We are created by God and made by God, and if God made us sinful, then how can he hold us guilty for our sin? We could stand before him on the day of judgment and tell him it is his fault. But on that day no one will be able to blame God for his sin as the scripture declares, "every man shall be put to death for his own sin" (Deuteronomy 24:16; 2 Kings 14:6; 2 Chronicles 25:4). God has clearly made us accountable for our sin and has commanded all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30). This bible study gives plenty of scripture evidence that man is not born in sin with a sin nature.

#4.1 REASONS WHY MAN IS NOT BORN IN SIN
#4.11 Because God created man in his own image
GENESIS 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.
27 So God created1 man in his own image, in the image of God he created1 him; male and female he created1 them.
PSALMS 89:47
47 Remember how short my time is: why have you created1 all men in vain?
PSALMS 102:18
18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people who shall be created1 shall praise Yahweh.
PSALMS 104:23,30
23 Man goes forth to his work and to his labor until the evening.
30 You send forth your spirit, they are created1: and you renew the face of the earth.
ISAIAH 43:7
7 Even every one who is called by my name: for I have created1 him for my glory, I have formed him; yes, I have made him.
ISAIAH 43:15
15 I am Yahweh, your Holy One, the creator1 of Israel, your king.
ISAIAH 45:12
12 I have made the earth, and created1 man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host I have commanded.
ISAIAH 54:16
16 Behold, I have created1 the smith who blows the coals in the fire, and who brings forth an instrument for his work; and I have created1 the waster to destroy.
MALACHI 2:10
10 Have we not all one father? has not one God created us1? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Note 1: All of the underlined words related to created1 are different forms of the same Hebrew verb בָּרָא (Htr. bāra', Strong's 1254), which occurs 54 times in the Old Testament. It is variously translated with the sense of "create" (42x), "creator" (3x), "choose" (2x), "make" (2x) etc.in the KJV. It usually has God as its subject (but not everywhere), because God creates in the sense implied by "bāra'". The fact that the verb can express creation out of nothing can be seen from the fact that it is used in various passages to do with creation of the universe (Genesis 1:1; 2:3; Isaiah 40:26; 42:5; 45:18; 65:17). It is also used in passages which indicate that the created thing came from something else, such as "man" (Genesis 1:27; 5:2; 6:7), "Israel" (Isaiah 43:1; Malachi 2:10), "cloud and smoke" (Isaiah 4:5), as well as many other things (Psalm 51:10; 89:12; Isaiah 45:7-8; 57:19; Jeremiah 31:22; Amos 4:13).
Note 2: When God created man he created him in his own image (Genesis 1:27), but was that a physical image, or a spiritual image? God is not a man (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29), but rather he is a spirit (John 4:24), and he is invisible (Colossians 1:15; 1 Timothy 1:17). So we can conclude that man must be created in the spiritual image of God. So let us ask the question, "Is the spiritual image of God corrupt?" If not, then we cannot be created corrupt either. We have become corrupt, but God wants to restore us to his own sinless image that we were created in. This can be shown from the scriptures:
(Colossians 3:10) "And have put on the new man, who is renewed in knowledge after the image of him who created him."
(Ephesians 4:24) "And that you put on the new man, who after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."
These scriptures refer to born-again Christians putting on "the new man" who is Jesus Christ:
(Romans 13:14) "And you put on the Lord Jesus Christ,"
(Colossians 1:15) "Who is the image of the invisible God,"
(Hebrews 1:3) "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the exact image of his substance,"
The spiritual image of God concerns "knowledge" (Colossians 3:10), and "righteousness and true holiness." (Ephesians 4:24). Children are not born with knowledge, but they can be born holy:
(1 Corinthians 7:14) "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now they are holy."
The fact that God is still creating people now, and it does not just refer to Adam and Eve, is made clear by the other scriptures (Psalm 102:18; Isaiah 43:7; 54:16; Malachi 2:10). So if God has created us, as these scriptures show, are we now to conclude that God created us sinful - that we were born in sin, having a sinful nature? Surely this is a blasphemy against God. (Genesis 1:31) "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." (Deuteronomy 32:4) "his work is perfect" God does not change (Malachi 3:6; James 1:17); his work is still perfect, and he does not create us as evil beings.

#4.12 Because God made man
GENESIS 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make1 man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.
GENESIS 9:6 (God)
6 Whoever sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed, for in the image of God he made1 man.
DEUTERONOMY 32:6
6 Do you thus requite Yahweh, O foolish people and unwise? Is not he your father who has bought you? Has he not made you1, and established you?
JOB 10:8 (Job to God)
8 Your hands have made me and fashioned me1 together all around; yet you destroy me.
JOB 33:4 (Elihu)
4 The Spirit of God has made me1, and the breath of the Almighty has given me life.
PSALMS 119:73
73 Your hands have made me1 and fashioned me: give me understanding that I may learn your commandments.
PROVERBS 22:2 (Solomon)
2 The rich and the poor meet together: Yahweh is the maker1 of them all.
ISAIAH 27:11
11 When its boughs are withered, they shall be broken off: the women shall come and set them on fire; for it is a people of no understanding: therefore he who made them1 will not have mercy on them, and he who formed them will show them no favor.
ISAIAH 43:7
7 Every one who is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yes, I have made him1.
ISAIAH 44:2
2 Thus says Yahweh who made you1, and formed you from the womb, who will help you; Do not fear, O Jacob, my servant; and you Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.
ISAIAH 57:16
16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I always be angry; for the spirit would fail before me, and the souls which I have made1.
LUKE 11:40 (Jesus)
40 You fools, did not he, who made that which is outside, make that which is inside also?
Note:
All of the underlined words translated with the sense of made1 are different forms of the same Hebrew verb עָשָׂה (Htr. ʽāshâ, Strong's 6213), which occurs 2633 times in the Old Testament. In the KJV it is translated with the sense of "do" (1333x), "make" (653x), "wrought" (52x) etc. and is used as a synonym for "create" a number of times, especially when it is used in parallel with "bāra'" (See #4.11 Note). The reasoning here is the same as the previous section. God made us, just as he created us, and therefore we cannot be born evil.
 
#4.13 Because God gave the spirit
ECCLESIASTES 12:7
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was; and the spirit shall return to God who gave it.
ISAIAH 42:5
5 Thus says God Yahweh, he who created the heavens, and stretched them out; he who spread forth the earth, and that which comes out of it; he who gives breath to the people upon it, and spirit to those who walk on it:
Note:
Here again, this section agrees with the previous two. Sin is a spiritual thing, and if we are born sinful, then God must have given us a sinful spirit. The above scriptures show that our spirit comes from God, not from Adam, or from our human parents, and as scripture says God's work is perfect (Genesis 1:31; Deuteronomy 32:4; Ezekiel 28:15; #4.14), so he cannot create us with a sinful spirit. We are commanded in the scripture to cleanse our spirits.
(2 Corinthians 7:1) "Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God."
The spirit is lost if we live in sin, and needs to be saved. The fornicator at Corinth (1 Corinthians 5) was turned over to Satan, "that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." (1 Corinthians 5:5).

#4.14 Because all God's creations are perfect
GENESIS 1:27
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
GENESIS 1:31
31 And God saw everything that he made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
GENESIS 9:6
6 Whoever sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God he made man.
DEUTERONOMY 32:3-4
3 Because I will publish the name of Yahweh: ascribe greatness to our God.
4 He is the rock, his work is perfect: all his ways are judgment: a God of truth, and without iniquity, just and right is he.
ECCLESIASTES 7:29 (Solomon)
29 Lo, this only have I found, that God has made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
EZEKIEL 28:15
15 You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you.
MATTHEW 7:17-18 (Jesus)
17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth corrupt fruit neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
LUKE 6:43 (Jesus)
43 For a good tree does not bring forth corrupt fruit; neither does a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
1 JOHN 2:16
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Note: These scriptures show that God created man in his own image (Genesis 1:27; 9:26), which is not sinful. His work is described as "very good" (Genesis 1:31), and "perfect" (Deuteronomy 32:4; Ezekiel 28:15), so it is impossible for us to be created sinful beings. As God is like "a good tree" he cannot produce evil fruit (Matthew 7:18; Luke 6:43), and so cannot create sinful beings. God does not change:
(Psalm 102:27) "But you (Yahweh) are the same, and your years shall have no end."
(Ecclesiastes 3:14) "I know that, whatever God does, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it: and God does it that men should fear before him."
(Malachi 3:6) "For I am Yahweh, I do not change; therefore you sons of Jacob are not consumed."
(Hebrews 13:8) "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and for ever."
(James 1:17) "Every good gift and every perfect gift comes down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness neither shadow of turning."
God cannot lie (Numbers 23:19; Titus 1:2). So if his habit from the beginning was always to create perfect things (See #1.11) and make perfect things (See #1.12), how can he now be creating us with a corrupt sinful nature? He used Jesus, his Word, to create everything (John 1:1; Colossians 1:12-16; Hebrews 1:2), and he doesn't change either (Hebrews 13:8). God even created the Devil perfect in the beginning (Ezekiel 28:15), so do not expect him to give us less of a chance than that. These scriptures all go to show that God still creates perfect things now, and he does not create us born in sin with a sinful nature.